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POST-MATCH THREAD: Huddersfield Town v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 23rd November 2024: KO 15:00
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Best of luck with that!ForeverAddickted said:
Dunno what gives you that idea!!Fedup said:
So you would like NJ to stay?ForeverAddickted said:
Thats the line thats been trotted out every time we've replaced the Manager the last few years - Look at where we've finished each of the last four seasons, every year (bar one) we've finished lower than the year before.Fedup said:
Look at where we are, do you fancy Division 2 footie, can the club afford Division 2 footie?ForeverAddickted said:
Yes... After three years... We've shown over the last five years that we cant give a Manager time over a handful of months - How can any Manager come in and do a job with those expectations?Fedup said:
But they are closer than us!ForeverAddickted said:
He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.Fedup said:
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:
We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
It takes one serious setback for us to turn!!
Its because we've got no stability in at the club, no identity... Nearly every transfer window involves the next Manager "fixing" the "problems" caused by the last one... How can you not see that?
We're like some bloke whose trapped in quicksand and we're fighting harder and harder to get out of the problem, only by panicking we're sinking quicker and quicker
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How about getting better players?Fedup said:
No why, learn not to choose managers on dubious past records, we need a younger manager who understands the game as it is now not how it was, the clubs attitude needs updating.Wheresmeticket said:Oh OK. Rinse and repeat it is then.0 -
That is a very telling stat.shirty5 said:2 league wins in the last 12 for Charlton Athletic now10 points from those gamesNow in a worst state after 15 league games (Points and Position) compared to last season0 -
NJ is toast. Poor decision to sideline Alfie and then pay stupid money for Ahadme.
Other signings are also poor and he is angry all the time.
He probably thinks he is too good for us.
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Well thankfully there is no need to create a Jones In vs Jones Out divide in the fanbase.Fedup said:
Best of luck with that!ForeverAddickted said:
Dunno what gives you that idea!!Fedup said:
So you would like NJ to stay?ForeverAddickted said:
Thats the line thats been trotted out every time we've replaced the Manager the last few years - Look at where we've finished each of the last four seasons, every year (bar one) we've finished lower than the year before.Fedup said:
Look at where we are, do you fancy Division 2 footie, can the club afford Division 2 footie?ForeverAddickted said:
Yes... After three years... We've shown over the last five years that we cant give a Manager time over a handful of months - How can any Manager come in and do a job with those expectations?Fedup said:
But they are closer than us!ForeverAddickted said:
He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.Fedup said:
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:
We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
It takes one serious setback for us to turn!!
Its because we've got no stability in at the club, no identity... Nearly every transfer window involves the next Manager "fixing" the "problems" caused by the last one... How can you not see that?
We're like some bloke whose trapped in quicksand and we're fighting harder and harder to get out of the problem, only by panicking we're sinking quicker and quicker
We all want the same thing
If we're successful under Jones, it wont be because of the people who wanted him to stay. Same with those who call for him to go, it wont be your fault if we drop to League 2, or wont be down to you if we move up the League either.3 -
Is there anything more predictable than a Charlton defeat away from home?
I've been fortunate enough that I haven't seen us play since the Blackpool defeat in September. Doesn't seem like there's anything in this side to improve on last year's dross.1 -
The better players tend to sign for the better managers.Kindoncasella said:
How about getting better players?Fedup said:
No why, learn not to choose managers on dubious past records, we need a younger manager who understands the game as it is now not how it was, the clubs attitude needs updating.Wheresmeticket said:Oh OK. Rinse and repeat it is then.2 -
If only it was so easy... All the talk about having the fourth biggest budget in the League (as mentioned by others). But since Jones came in, two of our best players Ramsay and Small have cost a combined 200k (If you believe TransferMarkt) with one being a Free Transfer.Kindoncasella said:
How about getting better players?Fedup said:
No why, learn not to choose managers on dubious past records, we need a younger manager who understands the game as it is now not how it was, the clubs attitude needs updating.Wheresmeticket said:Oh OK. Rinse and repeat it is then.
Whilst one of our worst signings could end up costing us 1m, if you believe rumours
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Fedup said:
But they are closer than us!ForeverAddickted said:
He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.Fedup said:
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:
We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
Closer to what? Getting into L1? So you think being 9th in the league below us is better than where we are? You just can't argue with anti truth.1 -
he talks bollocksDA9 said:
Spoke to CM at Exeter, asked him if we don’t go up, do they walk, he insisted they won’t, they are here for the long haul were his words.Smithy said:Another season over before January. Wonder how long it will be before the investors start getting restless. Methven and co should be shitting themselves right now.10 -
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If you get a chance take a look at one of their games.Wheresmeticket said:Fedup said:
But they are closer than us!ForeverAddickted said:
He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.Fedup said:
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:
We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
Closer to what? Getting into L1? So you think being 9th in the league below us is better than where we are? You just can't argue with anti truth.1 -
I don't care about their games. They are in L2, and nowhere near promotion. Why would you want to swap with that?Fedup said:
If you get a chance take a look at one of their games.Wheresmeticket said:Fedup said:
But they are closer than us!ForeverAddickted said:
He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.Fedup said:
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:
We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
Closer to what? Getting into L1? So you think being 9th in the league below us is better than where we are? You just can't argue with anti truth.1 -
We should never be signing a totally immobile 35yo as a favour, irrespective of how far down the pecking order he is. It's a total fucking disgrace on the part of Jones, that his unfit pal is running around like a competition winner week in week out.CAFCBourne said:
😂 go then. We signed him whilst Leaburn was injured as cover should it be needed. We didn’t bank on GAS, Kanu and chucks getting injured though with the latter I don’t know why.Croydon said:
Why did we sign him in the first place? Totally unacceptable that we're paying him a wageCAFCBourne said:
Go on then who comes on that’s fit ahead of him todaycafcsinger said:Disgrace Hylton gets so many minutes. Would love a reporter to ask him to justify that26 -
At this rate we might be playing them next season.Wheresmeticket said:
I don't care about their games. They are in L2, and nowhere near promotion. Why would you want to swap with that?Fedup said:
If you get a chance take a look at one of their games.Wheresmeticket said:Fedup said:
But they are closer than us!ForeverAddickted said:
He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.Fedup said:
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:
We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
Closer to what? Getting into L1? So you think being 9th in the league below us is better than where we are? You just can't argue with anti truth.1 -
I understand Hyton as being a signing as a striking coach, which seems sensible, and as an emergency player. He is getting some minutes as we have too many injured strikers. There are enough issues to throw at the club rather than that one.4
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Taylor not Jones’s player, he only got picked recently due to injuries / internationals. Was always going to be dropped when other players returned.KettsJohn said:Predictable but actually not as bad as I thought it would be. Have I missed some communication regarding Terry Taylor. If he is simply dropped then I am more concerned about Jones intentions than I already was.0 -
No injured Midfielders have returned since Taylor started getting involved more?EveshamAddick said:
Taylor not Jones’s player, he only got picked recently due to injuries / internationals. Was always going to be dropped when other players returned.KettsJohn said:Predictable but actually not as bad as I thought it would be. Have I missed some communication regarding Terry Taylor. If he is simply dropped then I am more concerned about Jones intentions than I already was.
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But how many times has the new manager bounce been responsible for getting us out of even worse trouble?ForeverAddickted said:
Thats the line thats been trotted out every time we've replaced the Manager the last few years - Look at where we've finished each of the last four seasons, every year (bar one) we've finished lower than the year before.Fedup said:
Look at where we are, do you fancy Division 2 footie, can the club afford Division 2 footie?ForeverAddickted said:
Yes... After three years... We've shown over the last five years that we cant give a Manager time over a handful of months - How can any Manager come in and do a job with those expectations?Fedup said:
But they are closer than us!ForeverAddickted said:
He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.Fedup said:
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:
We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
It takes one serious setback for us to turn!!
Its because we've got no stability in at the club, no identity... Nearly every transfer window involves the next Manager "fixing" the "problems" caused by the last one... How can you not see that?
We're like some bloke whose trapped in quicksand, we're fighting harder and harder to get out of the problem, only by panicking we're sinking quicker and quickerWe've got Stoke/Southampton Jones I fear.0 -
And that's what winds me up. Drop him not because he has been rubbish - far from it, in fact - but because Jones doesn't fancy him.EveshamAddick said:
Taylor not Jones’s player, he only got picked recently due to injuries / internationals. Was always going to be dropped when other players returned.KettsJohn said:Predictable but actually not as bad as I thought it would be. Have I missed some communication regarding Terry Taylor. If he is simply dropped then I am more concerned about Jones intentions than I already was.
Jones also didn't fancy May.
I'm not sure he is a great judge of players.18 -
Anyway, getting back to the post match thread...we was robbed and deserved at least a point based on that second half alone...
Think this goes deeper than "lets blame NJ"...something must be painfully wrong within the training and/or recovery regimes, these injuries are really taking their toll on the club, and don't seem to be getting resolved any time soon...
So, Tuesday it is with Burton Albion away, and probably with Leaburn added to the list, looks like a forward line of Gas and Hylton...ain't life just a bunch of roses...🙄2 -
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Mrs May wanted to move back closer to family.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
And that's what winds me up. Drop him not because he has been rubbish - far from it, in fact - but because Jones doesn't fancy him.EveshamAddick said:
Taylor not Jones’s player, he only got picked recently due to injuries / internationals. Was always going to be dropped when other players returned.KettsJohn said:Predictable but actually not as bad as I thought it would be. Have I missed some communication regarding Terry Taylor. If he is simply dropped then I am more concerned about Jones intentions than I already was.
Jones also didn't fancy May.
I'm not sure he is a great judge of players.2 -
I would not regret Jones going, but lets be honest there no outstanding manager out there who could get a tune out of this club.
One thing I am starting to wonder is do we a professional scouting / recruiting management team. For years now
we regularly fork out large sums and long term contracts on duds.
So lets get in a proper structure such as Brentford have had for a Decade or more, and second maybe managers should not be too involved in the recruitment.4 -
Its a temporary fix... Like trying to use Superglue to fix a broken chair.TonyWebstersShed said:
But how many times has the new manager bounce been responsible for getting us out of even worse trouble?ForeverAddickted said:
Thats the line thats been trotted out every time we've replaced the Manager the last few years - Look at where we've finished each of the last four seasons, every year (bar one) we've finished lower than the year before.Fedup said:
Look at where we are, do you fancy Division 2 footie, can the club afford Division 2 footie?ForeverAddickted said:
Yes... After three years... We've shown over the last five years that we cant give a Manager time over a handful of months - How can any Manager come in and do a job with those expectations?Fedup said:
But they are closer than us!ForeverAddickted said:
He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.Fedup said:
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:
We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
It takes one serious setback for us to turn!!
Its because we've got no stability in at the club, no identity... Nearly every transfer window involves the next Manager "fixing" the "problems" caused by the last one... How can you not see that?
We're like some bloke whose trapped in quicksand, we're fighting harder and harder to get out of the problem, only by panicking we're sinking quicker and quicker
We need to look at the greater problem, whatever that is... as dont think it lies purely with the Manager.
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No, but at least we know that if we do end up in L2 we can get Jackson in to stabilise us there for a few years.Fedup said:
Look at where we are, do you fancy Division 2 footie, can the club afford Division 2 footie?ForeverAddickted said:
Yes... After three years... We've shown over the last five years that we cant give a Manager time over a handful of months - How can any Manager come in and do a job with those expectations?Fedup said:
But they are closer than us!ForeverAddickted said:
He's also into his third season as Wimbledon Manager and hasnt got promoted.Fedup said:
He is doing a much better job than NJ at with respect a club with fewer resources.Wheresmeticket said:
Speculation. He was the special one who we let go. Funny he isn't ripping up trees at the moment.Fedup said:
No, why was he sacked, he was a very new young manager, working on a shoestring, under a very unpredictable owner, I do believe he would have moulded a team to challenge for promotion given time and a reasonable budget.Wheresmeticket said:
Did he get us promoted?Fedup said:
How on earth can you quote Jackson in that group?Wheresmeticket said:
We get upset with Managers if they're not fighting for promotion after three months in a single season
It takes one serious setback for us to turn!!5 -
Any talk of sacking/removing Jones is premature until we are genuinely panicking about going down.
Give him the season, if we finish bottom half then say goodbye in the summer.4 -
There is something I have noticed with us which we started off doing today and do too often in games but strangely with 10 men we improved slightly. That is when we are making defensive clearances that are not pressured by an opponent we head or kick the ball aimlessly when a pass at least towards a team mate is possible. I don't mean highly contested balls but the simple stuff.4
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Jones so spot on ….. Jones says sending off changed the game just after we scored .. when asked about the sending off he said really don’t know where football going .. we had TC hacked to the ground that injured him v Wrexham and it’s a yellow that’s not a red today no way …10
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Has to be given another year at least for me, with a view to sacking him in November 2025 if there genuinely is no progression... Naturally agree with you that it would be ridiculous not to act if we get to March and we're genuinely panicking about going down.SELR_addicks said:Any talk of sacking/removing Jones is premature until we are genuinely panicking about going down.
Give him the season, if we finish bottom half then say goodbye in the summer.
January Transfer Window 2025: Is a chance to plug leaks in squads
Summer Transfer Window 2025: A proper chance to build on what we need, as better players should be available around then; January I always see as a time where teams get rid of players they truly dont want because they're shit, and signed by teams that are panicking.
If we dont get rid of Jones until the end of this season, then its too late... we'll already be behind everyone else, as we'll be going into a Transfer Window not just looking for new players but a new manager too. We'll be back to where we were with Garner, no one wanting to join as they wont want to commit without knowing that their own future is secure.6 -
I'm not sure that is true.Fedup said:
The better players tend to sign for the better managers.Kindoncasella said:
How about getting better players?Fedup said:
No why, learn not to choose managers on dubious past records, we need a younger manager who understands the game as it is now not how it was, the clubs attitude needs updating.Wheresmeticket said:Oh OK. Rinse and repeat it is then.
I recall Steve Gallen saying that you could show players the training facilities, the football stadium and talk about ambition, but the reality was that players in 95% of cases would follow the money. He said that there'd be a budget (of course) and (say) three or four targets who they'd approach in order of preference. As and when the number one target dropped out they'd switch attention to number two etc. until they got the required number of 'bodies' over the line.
It seems to me we've ended up with target number 3 or 4 far too often - something that can only be rectified with a bigger budget. Well that certainly was the case. I dunno what's happening now to be fair, but the recruitment is at best lazy when you look no further than to fill the available places with Swindon and Luton players.
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Agree with Jones on that, TC got hacked down again on the half way line today... and the player only got a yellow card for it - Its clear we had the same player injured recently because of that type of challenge. Whats the difference between that and a two footed lunge, as both times the player is clearly going into the tackle with the aim of stopping their opponent, rather than attempting to get the ball.RonnieMoore said:Jones so spot on ….. Jones says sending off changed the game just after we scored .. when asked about the sending off he said really don’t know where football going .. we had TC hacked to the ground that injured him v Wrexham and it’s a yellow that’s not a red today no way …2
