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January Transfer Window (rumours + actuals)
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NabySarr said:Croydon said:Redhenry said:Unless there is more investment from the owners we are stuck here for the foreseeable future. IMHO
Teams in the mix are all spending money and our CEO is on podcasts wafflng about spending rules that don't take effect until next season.0 -
Chunes said:Fiorini has been poor at Stockport. He's obviously not the same player he once was.
Our decision to loan him after an 18-month injury was braindead.0 -
Comeonyoureds said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:NabySarr said:Redhenry said:Agree to disagreeSo you want millions of transfer fees on top of that, plus a higher wage bill. This ownership group just isn’t going to want to lose than kind of money, in fact no ownership group is going to. It’s just not realistic to demand it in our current state
Currently they're burning a lot of money to stand still.6 -
golfaddick said:seth plum said:Dear directors, what are the factors that might help us escape relegation this season?
Edit.
But we wont get promoted or even close to the play offs. We will flatter to deceive & will have weeks being just a few points / a win away from the top 6 or 7, but will then put in a few performances of Rotherham & Crawley proportions & end up finishing 10th.0 -
sam3110 said:seth plum said:SoundAsa£ said:seth plum said:
I think it is a legitimate question to ask in order to see what the answers might be.
For example a legitimate answer might be keep on as we are and we'll be safe. What I wouldn't want to hear would be an answer that oozed complacency, because that would suggest to me a certain lack of ambition and direction.
We have 34 points right now, we are not safe yet, so to bring it up at this time seems appropriate.
You ask them "What are the factors that might help us escape relegation this season?" And all they'll say is "the fact we're currently in the top half of the table, and have full faith in Nathan Jones and the squad to maintain at least that standing and strive to push towards the playoffs"
And that's the end of it, you have managed to ask a meaningless question and they've given you a nothing answer.
In other words, a pointless waste of everyone's time, which is what the majority of your postings are anyway, at least you stay on brand in that respectIt’s a PR exercise that is exceptionally unlikely to provide us with anything newsworthy.That is unless they slip up and emotionally respond to a probing question or pointed criticism - and they will not.1 -
NabySarr said:killerandflash said:fenaddick said:supaclive said:fenaddick said:supaclive said:NabySarr said:Redhenry said:Unless there is more investment from the owners we are stuck here for the foreseeable future. IMHO
We need to build on this season with investment but I think that investment should probably come in the summer
out May, Dobson, in Godden, Ahadme, Doherty, Campbell, Berry
I'd argue our January dealings last year - Ramsey, Small etc were better than our Summer dealings !!!!!!
Mitchell, Edwards and Mannion all good in my opinion.As we have repeatedly shown, signing the right players is not easy. January is the hardest time to do it well. So a smart club will use January on lower risk or short term signings and do the bulk of their main business in the summer windows
We still have a huge squad for this level, and one of the highest wage bills. People expecting or demanding us to go out and spend big money this month are just not realisticA 'smart' club you say? I would love to know what you have seen in last two seasons, that makes you think next season is going to be any different.We have 27 players according to our website. That includes Potts, Hylton, Asiimwe, and Dixon. That makes 23 players for the first team. By my count, out of those 27, 9 were not signed by the current regime and 7 of those 9 came from our academy or youth teams. That leaves 2 senior first team players not signed by the current management. Terry Taylor, who appears to have been frozen out and Chuks.Bored of reading that our squad is too big and expensive like it was down to someone other than the current SMT.4 -
golfaddick said:Comeonyoureds said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:NabySarr said:Redhenry said:Agree to disagreeSo you want millions of transfer fees on top of that, plus a higher wage bill. This ownership group just isn’t going to want to lose than kind of money, in fact no ownership group is going to. It’s just not realistic to demand it in our current state
Currently they're burning a lot of money to stand still.
The major investors aren't like Nimer - they are clever people with experience in owning businesses. They must have done their homework on what it takes to get promoted out of League 1 ? Can't believe that they were taken in by salmon trousers & his Texan Brochure.
But like all hobbies they'll have a certain amount they're willing to spend on it. Just like I'm not willing to spend £10k on a playstation, they're not willing to spend £100m to buy the assets and to give us the best chance of shooting up the leagues.
So I think they've listened to the SMTs pitch and thought "could be fun" and gone from there.
Sounds depressing, but most of the rest of the league are in the same position so I'm just hoping that whilst these investors are currently interested we can hobble together a season that gets us promoted.
Fingers crossed they've seen enough this season to peak their interest a bit more and buy a bit of quality in.2 -
Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/number-of-clubs-interested-in-loan-deal-for-charlton-athletic-midfielder/Number of clubs interested in loaning Taylor.
No firm interest in Campbell despite being linked with several Scottish clubs.1 -
RonnieMoore said:Like I said Jones going now where.…4
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mcgrandall said:NabySarr said:killerandflash said:fenaddick said:supaclive said:fenaddick said:supaclive said:NabySarr said:Redhenry said:Unless there is more investment from the owners we are stuck here for the foreseeable future. IMHO
We need to build on this season with investment but I think that investment should probably come in the summer
out May, Dobson, in Godden, Ahadme, Doherty, Campbell, Berry
I'd argue our January dealings last year - Ramsey, Small etc were better than our Summer dealings !!!!!!
Mitchell, Edwards and Mannion all good in my opinion.As we have repeatedly shown, signing the right players is not easy. January is the hardest time to do it well. So a smart club will use January on lower risk or short term signings and do the bulk of their main business in the summer windows
We still have a huge squad for this level, and one of the highest wage bills. People expecting or demanding us to go out and spend big money this month are just not realisticA 'smart' club you say? I would love to know what you have seen in last two seasons, that makes you think next season is going to be any different.We have 27 players according to our website. That includes Potts, Hylton, Asiimwe, and Dixon. That makes 23 players for the first team. By my count, out of those 27, 9 were not signed by the current regime and 7 of those 9 came from our academy or youth teams. That leaves 2 senior first team players not signed by the current management. Terry Taylor, who appears to have been frozen out and Chuks.Bored of reading that our squad is too big and expensive like it was down to someone other than the current SMT.
It is the current SMT’s fault that our squad is like this, but that doesn’t change the fact our squad is way too big so we need to trim it if we are going to add players0 -
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The way I say this current ownership is they bought us with the knowledge of how successful the academy is. They got fed the line that with a little bit of investment it will support the academy players we have in the squad and that we will strike lucky and gain promotion. A fundamental flaw with that though is the quality of that investment and recruitment has been very poor.
They’d say it’s unusual for teams like Birmingham to be in this league and spending the money they have and it distorts the competition, they’d say the issues under the bonnet were bigger than they’d imagined and whatever else they want to spin to make it seem like they’ve had it extremely tough and we are not being realistic as a fanbase. They’re also not afraid to insult us and our intelligence by once in a while wheeling out that we still believe we should be or are a Premier League side because we were 20 years ago. Not that we have spent however long in this awful league and the reason why some people have an attitude is because we are fed of seeing the same thing every year. There is nothing entitled about it.
I think the idea is to bring as many young players into the first team, as long as they’re just about good enough for the level, to strike lucky and to sell a number of them for a profit. Even better if we were to somehow gain promotion as they’d be able to sell them for more.
We are not going to have this ownership spend the money required to get out of this league, and they’re absolutely over the moon with the new rules coming into play in the summer. They’re going to think that as clubs can’t pump money in like Birmingham and Wrexham, squads will be smaller (streamlining the squad this window is the start) and more reliance is going to be placed on academy players and spending lower sums on transfers. Which could happen.
What could also happen is that because money becomes like gold dust, costs, transfer fees and wages become premium for the better players. More clubs will miss out on targets who are happy to be squad players at Championship level instead of playing at League One, more clubs have to rely on good and clever loans, which we just do not do or want to do or are willing to do. Why? Because there is a belief that we have players in the academy who are better than what we can bring in, which in the main is not true, but there will be some infrequent exceptions.
All of this is why Jones is the perfect man for the job for them. He’s worked with young players before and is happy to do that. He’s worked at a club with a smaller budget and gained promotion. He’s all about building a project and doing something longer term as long as he can see something tangible improving, even if most fans can’t because we just want results on the pitch to improve and to have something to get behind. He has constantly given mixed messages, “it’s bold to say we should be top 6” or whatever it was, to then recently say we have a Championship standard team, who then promptly got turned over by Rotherham, a team who have been very average this season. There isn’t a clear message to say what he is happy with and what he wants, saying all of this though and I quite like him.
I know none of this is rumours, but let’s face it, we have had almost 70 pages of no rumours. This is how I see the situation and unless something somewhere, somehow, changes then I don’t know how we can ever expect to be pushing at the very top of this league, be it this season or next, or the one after that.34 -
ForestHillAddick said:golfaddick said:Comeonyoureds said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:NabySarr said:Redhenry said:Agree to disagreeSo you want millions of transfer fees on top of that, plus a higher wage bill. This ownership group just isn’t going to want to lose than kind of money, in fact no ownership group is going to. It’s just not realistic to demand it in our current state
Currently they're burning a lot of money to stand still.
The major investors aren't like Nimer - they are clever people with experience in owning businesses. They must have done their homework on what it takes to get promoted out of League 1 ? Can't believe that they were taken in by salmon trousers & his Texan Brochure.
But like all hobbies they'll have a certain amount they're willing to spend on it. Just like I'm not willing to spend £10k on a playstation, they're not willing to spend £100m to buy the assets and to give us the best chance of shooting up the leagues.
So I think they've listened to the SMTs pitch and thought "could be fun" and gone from there.
Sounds depressing, but most of the rest of the league are in the same position so I'm just hoping that whilst these investors are currently interested we can hobble together a season that gets us promoted.
Fingers crossed they've seen enough this season to peak their interest a bit more and buy a bit of quality in.
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SoundAsa£ said:Comeonyoureds said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:NabySarr said:Redhenry said:Agree to disagreeSo you want millions of transfer fees on top of that, plus a higher wage bill. This ownership group just isn’t going to want to lose than kind of money, in fact no ownership group is going to. It’s just not realistic to demand it in our current state
Currently they're burning a lot of money to stand still.
On the off chance they do read however, sign some players fuckers.23 -
Braziliance said:SoundAsa£ said:Comeonyoureds said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:NabySarr said:Redhenry said:Agree to disagreeSo you want millions of transfer fees on top of that, plus a higher wage bill. This ownership group just isn’t going to want to lose than kind of money, in fact no ownership group is going to. It’s just not realistic to demand it in our current state
Currently they're burning a lot of money to stand still.
On the off chance they do read however, sign some players fuckers.1 -
fenaddick said:Braziliance said:SoundAsa£ said:Comeonyoureds said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:NabySarr said:Redhenry said:Agree to disagreeSo you want millions of transfer fees on top of that, plus a higher wage bill. This ownership group just isn’t going to want to lose than kind of money, in fact no ownership group is going to. It’s just not realistic to demand it in our current state
Currently they're burning a lot of money to stand still.
On the off chance they do read however, sign some players fuckers.17 -
MarcusH26 said:Chunes said:Fiorini has been poor at Stockport. He's obviously not the same player he once was.
Our decision to loan him after an 18-month injury was braindead.3 -
JohnnyH2 said:fenaddick said:Braziliance said:SoundAsa£ said:Comeonyoureds said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:NabySarr said:Redhenry said:Agree to disagreeSo you want millions of transfer fees on top of that, plus a higher wage bill. This ownership group just isn’t going to want to lose than kind of money, in fact no ownership group is going to. It’s just not realistic to demand it in our current state
Currently they're burning a lot of money to stand still.
On the off chance they do read however, sign some players fuckers.0 -
PWR. Any sign of any Charlton signings, or is just asking the question a sign of hopeless over-optimism?0
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Sage said:The way I say this current ownership is they bought us with the knowledge of how successful the academy is. They got fed the line that with a little bit of investment it will support the academy players we have in the squad and that we will strike lucky and gain promotion. A fundamental flaw with that though is the quality of that investment and recruitment has been very poor.
They’d say it’s unusual for teams like Birmingham to be in this league and spending the money they have and it distorts the competition, they’d say the issues under the bonnet were bigger than they’d imagined and whatever else they want to spin to make it seem like they’ve had it extremely tough and we are not being realistic as a fanbase. They’re also not afraid to insult us and our intelligence by once in a while wheeling out that we still believe we should be or are a Premier League side because we were 20 years ago. Not that we have spent however long in this awful league and the reason why some people have an attitude is because we are fed of seeing the same thing every year. There is nothing entitled about it.
I think the idea is to bring as many young players into the first team, as long as they’re just about good enough for the level, to strike lucky and to sell a number of them for a profit. Even better if we were to somehow gain promotion as they’d be able to sell them for more.
We are not going to have this ownership spend the money required to get out of this league, and they’re absolutely over the moon with the new rules coming into play in the summer. They’re going to think that as clubs can’t pump money in like Birmingham and Wrexham, squads will be smaller (streamlining the squad this window is the start) and more reliance is going to be placed on academy players and spending lower sums on transfers. Which could happen.
What could also happen is that because money becomes like gold dust, costs, transfer fees and wages become premium for the better players. More clubs will miss out on targets who are happy to be squad players at Championship level instead of playing at League One, more clubs have to rely on good and clever loans, which we just do not do or want to do or are willing to do. Why? Because there is a belief that we have players in the academy who are better than what we can bring in, which in the main is not true, but there will be some infrequent exceptions.
All of this is why Jones is the perfect man for the job for them. He’s worked with young players before and is happy to do that. He’s worked at a club with a smaller budget and gained promotion. He’s all about building a project and doing something longer term as long as he can see something tangible improving, even if most fans can’t because we just want results on the pitch to improve and to have something to get behind. He has constantly given mixed messages, “it’s bold to say we should be top 6” or whatever it was, to then recently say we have a Championship standard team, who then promptly got turned over by Rotherham, a team who have been very average this season. There isn’t a clear message to say what he is happy with and what he wants, saying all of this though and I quite like him.
I know none of this is rumours, but let’s face it, we have had almost 70 pages of no rumours. This is how I see the situation and unless something somewhere, somehow, changes then I don’t know how we can ever expect to be pushing at the very top of this league, be it this season or next, or the one after that.2 -
MintoHumbugs said:NabySarr said:Croydon said:Redhenry said:Unless there is more investment from the owners we are stuck here for the foreseeable future. IMHO
Teams in the mix are all spending money and our CEO is on podcasts wafflng about spending rules that don't take effect until next season.1 -
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The question I'd ask is this.
They asked us to judge them on results.
Last season we finished in 16th position in league one.
That was our lowest position for 98 years.
This season we are currently in 12th position and the chances are another season in league one beckons.
How do they think we should judge them ?32 -
Chris_from_Sidcup said:MintoHumbugs said:NabySarr said:Croydon said:Redhenry said:Unless there is more investment from the owners we are stuck here for the foreseeable future. IMHO
Teams in the mix are all spending money and our CEO is on podcasts wafflng about spending rules that don't take effect until next season.
Wrexham are always an easy name to throw in for any rumours. Am surprised they haven't done much yet.0 -
JohnnyH2 said:fenaddick said:Braziliance said:SoundAsa£ said:Comeonyoureds said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:NabySarr said:Redhenry said:Agree to disagreeSo you want millions of transfer fees on top of that, plus a higher wage bill. This ownership group just isn’t going to want to lose than kind of money, in fact no ownership group is going to. It’s just not realistic to demand it in our current state
Currently they're burning a lot of money to stand still.
On the off chance they do read however, sign some players fuckers.3 -
This window is a good opportunity to get 1 or 2 players that are starting 11 quality ready for next season. Along the lines of Small, Ramsey & Coventry. As we are not going up loans are pointless now (although we definitely need some top quality loans next summer)6
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I’ve just been looking through our squad and these are the only players I feel are good enough to be involved next season if we want to get promoted:
Mannion or AMB (back up)
Jones (might not be here next season)
A Mitchell
Edwards
Small (won’t be here next season)
Ramsay
Coventry
Berry (back up)
T Campbell (back up)
Chuks (crippled and won’t be renewed)
Godden (back up)
Leaburn (won’t be here next season)
Insane to not be trying to add some players this month - there is too much bilge to get rid of and too much quality needed for us to do it in one summer window.
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Personally I can't see us signing more than 2 players. Maybe more if we manage to get 5 players out the door..5
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arny23394 said:I’ve just been looking through our squad and these are the only players I feel are good enough to be involved next season if we want to get promoted:
Mannion or AMB (back up)
Jones (might not be here next season)
A Mitchell
Edwards
Small (won’t be here next season)
Ramsay
Coventry
Berry (back up)
T Campbell (back up)
Chuks (crippled and won’t be renewed)
Godden (back up)
Leaburn (won’t be here next season)
Insane to not be trying to add some players this month - there is too much bilge to get rid of and too much quality needed for us to do it in one summer window.2 -
Chris_from_Sidcup said:arny23394 said:I’ve just been looking through our squad and these are the only players I feel are good enough to be involved next season if we want to get promoted:
Mannion or AMB (back up)
Jones (might not be here next season)
A Mitchell
Edwards
Small (won’t be here next season)
Ramsay
Coventry
Berry (back up)
T Campbell (back up)
Chuks (crippled and won’t be renewed)
Godden (back up)
Leaburn (won’t be here next season)
Insane to not be trying to add some players this month - there is too much bilge to get rid of and too much quality needed for us to do it in one summer window.6 -
Chris_from_Sidcup said:arny23394 said:I’ve just been looking through our squad and these are the only players I feel are good enough to be involved next season if we want to get promoted:
Mannion or AMB (back up)
Jones (might not be here next season)
A Mitchell
Edwards
Small (won’t be here next season)
Ramsay
Coventry
Berry (back up)
T Campbell (back up)
Chuks (crippled and won’t be renewed)
Godden (back up)
Leaburn (won’t be here next season)
Insane to not be trying to add some players this month - there is too much bilge to get rid of and too much quality needed for us to do it in one summer window.
Groundhog Day. Another summer overhaul needed because we got the recruitment wrong this season.
Hopefully it's with someone different leading it because Andy Scott has failed again.7 -
Chris_from_Sidcup said:arny23394 said:I’ve just been looking through our squad and these are the only players I feel are good enough to be involved next season if we want to get promoted:
Mannion or AMB (back up)
Jones (might not be here next season)
A Mitchell
Edwards
Small (won’t be here next season)
Ramsay
Coventry
Berry (back up)
T Campbell (back up)
Chuks (crippled and won’t be renewed)
Godden (back up)
Leaburn (won’t be here next season)
Insane to not be trying to add some players this month - there is too much bilge to get rid of and too much quality needed for us to do it in one summer window.This is where I see it. So probably needing between 7 and 9 signings by next September, depending on what players we lose. Would be nice to get a couple sorted this month,If we keep Leaburn and/or Small then that is 2 sorted. If Asiimwe develops well at Walsall and in pre-season then that could also avoid the need to sign another right wing back
I also think it is unlikely that we sign 3 strikers in 1 window, so if Leaburn leaves then I would imagine Ahadme will be kept as the backup1