January Transfer Window (rumours + actuals)

eaststandmike

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

arny23394 said:

I’ve just been looking through our squad and these are the only players I feel are good enough to be involved next season if we want to get promoted:

Mannion or AMB (back up)
Jones (might not be here next season)
A Mitchell
Edwards
Small (won’t be here next season)
Ramsay
Coventry 
Berry (back up)
T Campbell (back up)
Chuks (crippled and won’t be renewed)
Godden (back up)
Leaburn (won’t be here next season)

Insane to not be trying to add some players this month - there is too much bilge to get rid of and too much quality needed for us to do it in one summer window. 

Looking at that makes you realise just how far away we are. Could be in a position where we need about 10 summer signings.

8+8+8 going well then 

Mendonca In Asdas

eaststandmike said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

arny23394 said:

I’ve just been looking through our squad and these are the only players I feel are good enough to be involved next season if we want to get promoted:

Mannion or AMB (back up)
Jones (might not be here next season)
A Mitchell
Edwards
Small (won’t be here next season)
Ramsay
Coventry 
Berry (back up)
T Campbell (back up)
Chuks (crippled and won’t be renewed)
Godden (back up)
Leaburn (won’t be here next season)

Insane to not be trying to add some players this month - there is too much bilge to get rid of and too much quality needed for us to do it in one summer window. 

Looking at that makes you realise just how far away we are. Could be in a position where we need about 10 summer signings.

8+8+8 going well then 

I think we all know that was a load of old rubbish, great in theory, but not in practice, a 6th season in League one beckons.

sam3110

MintoHumbugs said:

NabySarr said:

Croydon said:

Redhenry said:

Unless there is more investment from the owners we are stuck here for the foreseeable future. IMHO

Teams in the mix are all spending money and our CEO is on podcasts wafflng about spending rules that don't take effect until next season.

Huddersfield and Bolton are both spending money from players they’ve sold. Is anyone actually spending decent money this month? 

Wrexham are being  being linked with lots of players for decent money  they again  won’t sign 

Lol is that the same Wrexham that in the summer you kept banging on about how they won't sign anyone and won't amount to anything this season? Remind me where they are in the table?

eaststandmike

sam3110 said:

MintoHumbugs said:

NabySarr said:

Croydon said:

Redhenry said:

Unless there is more investment from the owners we are stuck here for the foreseeable future. IMHO

Teams in the mix are all spending money and our CEO is on podcasts wafflng about spending rules that don't take effect until next season.

Huddersfield and Bolton are both spending money from players they’ve sold. Is anyone actually spending decent money this month? 

Wrexham are being  being linked with lots of players for decent money  they again  won’t sign 

Lol is that the same Wrexham that in the summer you kept banging on about how they won't sign anyone and won't amount to anything this season? Remind me where they are in the table?

I can’t remember who it was but I was told “WREXHAM WILL NOT FINISH ABOVE US, FACT”

Thats going well 

Redhenry

MintoHumbugs said:

NabySarr said:

Croydon said:

Redhenry said:

Unless there is more investment from the owners we are stuck here for the foreseeable future. IMHO

Teams in the mix are all spending money and our CEO is on podcasts wafflng about spending rules that don't take effect until next season.

Huddersfield and Bolton are both spending money from players they’ve sold. Is anyone actually spending decent money this month? 

Wrexham are being  being linked with lots of players for decent money  they again  won’t sign 

You obvs have an issue with Wrexham @mintohumbugs but in reality they have invested better and more than us. They will be even stronger after this window unfortunately!

cabbles

eaststandmike said:

sam3110 said:

MintoHumbugs said:

NabySarr said:

Croydon said:

Redhenry said:

Unless there is more investment from the owners we are stuck here for the foreseeable future. IMHO

Teams in the mix are all spending money and our CEO is on podcasts wafflng about spending rules that don't take effect until next season.

Huddersfield and Bolton are both spending money from players they’ve sold. Is anyone actually spending decent money this month? 

Wrexham are being  being linked with lots of players for decent money  they again  won’t sign 

Lol is that the same Wrexham that in the summer you kept banging on about how they won't sign anyone and won't amount to anything this season? Remind me where they are in the table?

I can’t remember who it was but I was told “WREXHAM WILL NOT FINISH ABOVE US, FACT”

Thats going well 

We were also told on here that this lot (the owners) mean business.  

I don’t have an issue with their strategy if it is as Sage outlined above, after all, it’s their money and we cannot dictate how we wished it to be spent however much we want to.  

The problem is their strategy is full of holes if it is the one Sage shared, because it comes across as very hit and hope, banking on churning out youngsters of a sufficient quality to be sold on.  We’ve had a few over the years, but I would hardly describe us as the next Ajax.  And because the Burstows/Leaburn’s etc have been less frequent, it means that whatever fee we do get, is likely just covering mounting losses.  It’s a vicious circle.  For it to work, we’d likely have to turn over 5/6 very good youngsters across 2 seasons max.  

One every 2 seasons doesn’t even cover losses, and in between, the team get weaker and weaker and we are less likely to get out of league one the right way 

you have to question how these billionaires got conned by Methven etc on the whole purchase - very naive 

PWADDICK

Only club in English football that makes money is West Ham and that’s because their stadium is subsidised by the tax payer! Any investor who comes into football to actually make money is a wally as far as I’m concerned.

MarcusH26

I guess my main concern is are the main moneymen actually in it for the long haul or will they look at another season in League 1 with more losses and more investment required and realise they've been sold short by Charlie and look to move on. 

fenaddick

PWADDICK said:

Only club in English football that makes money is West Ham and that’s because their stadium is subsidised by the tax payer! Any investor who comes into football to actually make money is a wally as far as I’m concerned.

Except they made a substantial loss in the last reporting period and Bournemouth, City (questionable) and Brighton all made a profit 

eaststandmike

cabbles said:

eaststandmike said:

sam3110 said:

MintoHumbugs said:

NabySarr said:

Croydon said:

Redhenry said:

Unless there is more investment from the owners we are stuck here for the foreseeable future. IMHO

Teams in the mix are all spending money and our CEO is on podcasts wafflng about spending rules that don't take effect until next season.

Huddersfield and Bolton are both spending money from players they’ve sold. Is anyone actually spending decent money this month? 

Wrexham are being  being linked with lots of players for decent money  they again  won’t sign 

Lol is that the same Wrexham that in the summer you kept banging on about how they won't sign anyone and won't amount to anything this season? Remind me where they are in the table?

I can’t remember who it was but I was told “WREXHAM WILL NOT FINISH ABOVE US, FACT”

Thats going well 

We were also told on here that this lot (the owners) mean business.  

I don’t have an issue with their strategy if it is as Sage outlined above, after all, it’s their money and we cannot dictate how we wished it to be spent however much we want to.  

The problem is their strategy is full of holes if it is the one Sage shared, because it comes across as very hit and hope, banking on churning out youngsters of a sufficient quality to be sold on.  We’ve had a few over the years, but I would hardly describe us as the next Ajax.  And because the Burstows/Leaburn’s etc have been less frequent, it means that whatever fee we do get, is likely just covering mounting losses.  It’s a vicious circle.  For it to work, we’d likely have to turn over 5/6 very good youngsters across 2 seasons max.  

One every 2 seasons doesn’t even cover losses, and in between, the team get weaker and weaker and we are less likely to get out of league one the right way 

you have to question how these billionaires got conned by Methven etc on the whole purchase - very naive 

I don’t see it as the investors being conned, there are multiple investors spreading the cost, if they really are worth what people say they are then the money they are putting into Charlton is like you and I buying a scratch card 

Fanny Fanackapan

eaststandmike said:

cabbles said:

eaststandmike said:

sam3110 said:

MintoHumbugs said:

NabySarr said:

Croydon said:

Redhenry said:

Unless there is more investment from the owners we are stuck here for the foreseeable future. IMHO

Teams in the mix are all spending money and our CEO is on podcasts wafflng about spending rules that don't take effect until next season.

Huddersfield and Bolton are both spending money from players they’ve sold. Is anyone actually spending decent money this month? 

Wrexham are being  being linked with lots of players for decent money  they again  won’t sign 

Lol is that the same Wrexham that in the summer you kept banging on about how they won't sign anyone and won't amount to anything this season? Remind me where they are in the table?

I can’t remember who it was but I was told “WREXHAM WILL NOT FINISH ABOVE US, FACT”

Thats going well 

We were also told on here that this lot (the owners) mean business.  

I don’t have an issue with their strategy if it is as Sage outlined above, after all, it’s their money and we cannot dictate how we wished it to be spent however much we want to.  

The problem is their strategy is full of holes if it is the one Sage shared, because it comes across as very hit and hope, banking on churning out youngsters of a sufficient quality to be sold on.  We’ve had a few over the years, but I would hardly describe us as the next Ajax.  And because the Burstows/Leaburn’s etc have been less frequent, it means that whatever fee we do get, is likely just covering mounting losses.  It’s a vicious circle.  For it to work, we’d likely have to turn over 5/6 very good youngsters across 2 seasons max.  

One every 2 seasons doesn’t even cover losses, and in between, the team get weaker and weaker and we are less likely to get out of league one the right way 

you have to question how these billionaires got conned by Methven etc on the whole purchase - very naive 

I don’t see it as the investors being conned, there are multiple investors spreading the cost, if they really are worth what people say they are then the money they are putting into Charlton is like you and I buying a scratch card 

Ah, Fanny ...

What was it your old Gran used to say ?

" More money than sense " ? 

Hopefully that's not the case here.

PWADDICK

fenaddick said:

PWADDICK said:

Only club in English football that makes money is West Ham and that’s because their stadium is subsidised by the tax payer! Any investor who comes into football to actually make money is a wally as far as I’m concerned.

Except they made a substantial loss in the last reporting period and Bournemouth, City (questionable) and Brighton all made a profit 

Apologies, my statistic came from the same Kieran Maguire, but didn't include player trading. West Ham have obviously spent a large sum on incomings.

supaclive

eaststandmike said:

cabbles said:

eaststandmike said:

sam3110 said:

MintoHumbugs said:

NabySarr said:

Croydon said:

Redhenry said:

Unless there is more investment from the owners we are stuck here for the foreseeable future. IMHO

Teams in the mix are all spending money and our CEO is on podcasts wafflng about spending rules that don't take effect until next season.

Huddersfield and Bolton are both spending money from players they’ve sold. Is anyone actually spending decent money this month? 

Wrexham are being  being linked with lots of players for decent money  they again  won’t sign 

Lol is that the same Wrexham that in the summer you kept banging on about how they won't sign anyone and won't amount to anything this season? Remind me where they are in the table?

I can’t remember who it was but I was told “WREXHAM WILL NOT FINISH ABOVE US, FACT”

Thats going well 

We were also told on here that this lot (the owners) mean business.  

I don’t have an issue with their strategy if it is as Sage outlined above, after all, it’s their money and we cannot dictate how we wished it to be spent however much we want to.  

The problem is their strategy is full of holes if it is the one Sage shared, because it comes across as very hit and hope, banking on churning out youngsters of a sufficient quality to be sold on.  We’ve had a few over the years, but I would hardly describe us as the next Ajax.  And because the Burstows/Leaburn’s etc have been less frequent, it means that whatever fee we do get, is likely just covering mounting losses.  It’s a vicious circle.  For it to work, we’d likely have to turn over 5/6 very good youngsters across 2 seasons max.  

One every 2 seasons doesn’t even cover losses, and in between, the team get weaker and weaker and we are less likely to get out of league one the right way 

you have to question how these billionaires got conned by Methven etc on the whole purchase - very naive 

I don’t see it as the investors being conned, there are multiple investors spreading the cost, if they really are worth what people say they are then the money they are putting into Charlton is like you and I buying a scratch card 

A $billionaire will probably make $50m a year in interest alone if they had $1 billion on deposit.    Which they won't have - however, they will earn a salary and returns in excess of $50m a year just by doing nothing and working their old 9 to 5 job.....

So them lumping in £2-3m each for our annual losses is jack shit to them.   However, if it looks after 3 years that we are no closer to actually reaching the promised land, they'll either walk away as they won't care or they'll fire the SMT and sort out new SMT

I would hazard.

In the meantime, CM, JR, AS et al will all be pulling in very nice salaries for underachieving

cabbles

eaststandmike said:

cabbles said:

eaststandmike said:

sam3110 said:

MintoHumbugs said:

NabySarr said:

Croydon said:

Redhenry said:

Unless there is more investment from the owners we are stuck here for the foreseeable future. IMHO

Teams in the mix are all spending money and our CEO is on podcasts wafflng about spending rules that don't take effect until next season.

Huddersfield and Bolton are both spending money from players they’ve sold. Is anyone actually spending decent money this month? 

Wrexham are being  being linked with lots of players for decent money  they again  won’t sign 

Lol is that the same Wrexham that in the summer you kept banging on about how they won't sign anyone and won't amount to anything this season? Remind me where they are in the table?

I can’t remember who it was but I was told “WREXHAM WILL NOT FINISH ABOVE US, FACT”

Thats going well 

We were also told on here that this lot (the owners) mean business.  

I don’t have an issue with their strategy if it is as Sage outlined above, after all, it’s their money and we cannot dictate how we wished it to be spent however much we want to.  

The problem is their strategy is full of holes if it is the one Sage shared, because it comes across as very hit and hope, banking on churning out youngsters of a sufficient quality to be sold on.  We’ve had a few over the years, but I would hardly describe us as the next Ajax.  And because the Burstows/Leaburn’s etc have been less frequent, it means that whatever fee we do get, is likely just covering mounting losses.  It’s a vicious circle.  For it to work, we’d likely have to turn over 5/6 very good youngsters across 2 seasons max.  

One every 2 seasons doesn’t even cover losses, and in between, the team get weaker and weaker and we are less likely to get out of league one the right way 

you have to question how these billionaires got conned by Methven etc on the whole purchase - very naive 

I don’t see it as the investors being conned, there are multiple investors spreading the cost, if they really are worth what people say they are then the money they are putting into Charlton is like you and I buying a scratch card 

I guess so, but genuinely, what is the point?

they are mega wealthy, so operate in a completely different world to the one I understand, but surely they can’t think what they’ve put in is sufficient, as that would seem to suggest they’ve done very little homework 

Chunes

eaststandmike said:

cabbles said:

eaststandmike said:

sam3110 said:

MintoHumbugs said:

NabySarr said:

Croydon said:

Redhenry said:

Unless there is more investment from the owners we are stuck here for the foreseeable future. IMHO

Teams in the mix are all spending money and our CEO is on podcasts wafflng about spending rules that don't take effect until next season.

Huddersfield and Bolton are both spending money from players they’ve sold. Is anyone actually spending decent money this month? 

Wrexham are being  being linked with lots of players for decent money  they again  won’t sign 

Lol is that the same Wrexham that in the summer you kept banging on about how they won't sign anyone and won't amount to anything this season? Remind me where they are in the table?

I can’t remember who it was but I was told “WREXHAM WILL NOT FINISH ABOVE US, FACT”

Thats going well 

We were also told on here that this lot (the owners) mean business.  

I don’t have an issue with their strategy if it is as Sage outlined above, after all, it’s their money and we cannot dictate how we wished it to be spent however much we want to.  

The problem is their strategy is full of holes if it is the one Sage shared, because it comes across as very hit and hope, banking on churning out youngsters of a sufficient quality to be sold on.  We’ve had a few over the years, but I would hardly describe us as the next Ajax.  And because the Burstows/Leaburn’s etc have been less frequent, it means that whatever fee we do get, is likely just covering mounting losses.  It’s a vicious circle.  For it to work, we’d likely have to turn over 5/6 very good youngsters across 2 seasons max.  

One every 2 seasons doesn’t even cover losses, and in between, the team get weaker and weaker and we are less likely to get out of league one the right way 

you have to question how these billionaires got conned by Methven etc on the whole purchase - very naive 

I don’t see it as the investors being conned, there are multiple investors spreading the cost, if they really are worth what people say they are then the money they are putting into Charlton is like you and I buying a scratch card 

I agree, they're not being conned. Our chief investor is a billionaire from the finance sector. There's no group of people with a more complex understanding of investments. You don't get that rich believing what's written in a pitch deck.

The Prince-e-Paul

Chunes said:

eaststandmike said:

cabbles said:

eaststandmike said:

sam3110 said:

MintoHumbugs said:

NabySarr said:

Croydon said:

Redhenry said:

Unless there is more investment from the owners we are stuck here for the foreseeable future. IMHO

Teams in the mix are all spending money and our CEO is on podcasts wafflng about spending rules that don't take effect until next season.

Huddersfield and Bolton are both spending money from players they’ve sold. Is anyone actually spending decent money this month? 

Wrexham are being  being linked with lots of players for decent money  they again  won’t sign 

Lol is that the same Wrexham that in the summer you kept banging on about how they won't sign anyone and won't amount to anything this season? Remind me where they are in the table?

I can’t remember who it was but I was told “WREXHAM WILL NOT FINISH ABOVE US, FACT”

Thats going well 

We were also told on here that this lot (the owners) mean business.  

I don’t have an issue with their strategy if it is as Sage outlined above, after all, it’s their money and we cannot dictate how we wished it to be spent however much we want to.  

The problem is their strategy is full of holes if it is the one Sage shared, because it comes across as very hit and hope, banking on churning out youngsters of a sufficient quality to be sold on.  We’ve had a few over the years, but I would hardly describe us as the next Ajax.  And because the Burstows/Leaburn’s etc have been less frequent, it means that whatever fee we do get, is likely just covering mounting losses.  It’s a vicious circle.  For it to work, we’d likely have to turn over 5/6 very good youngsters across 2 seasons max.  

One every 2 seasons doesn’t even cover losses, and in between, the team get weaker and weaker and we are less likely to get out of league one the right way 

you have to question how these billionaires got conned by Methven etc on the whole purchase - very naive 

I don’t see it as the investors being conned, there are multiple investors spreading the cost, if they really are worth what people say they are then the money they are putting into Charlton is like you and I buying a scratch card 

I agree, they're not being conned. Our chief investor is a billionaire from the finance sector. There's no group of people with a more complex understanding of investments. You don't get that rich believing what's written in a pitch deck.

Despite fans (me included) sometimes holding a belief that I know more about what the club and team need, than the owners, it is them who have invested their money on the hope of a return. As fans, we invest a lifetime and money, in no small part, following the team around the country, all for no financial gain whatsoever.

As pointed out, if I'd have invested a small but relatively sizeable amount in a business venture, I'd keep a watch.

Just like with my crypto investment. I haven't bought or sold any for nearly 3 years, but I look at the stock value almost daily. I've seen it fall, fall, fall again, and rise, rise and fall and rise etc all, without my involvement. 

My point is, regardless of whether the owners have any significant stress about warning a profit or not, or how long they remain involved, I guess is down to their interest, or lack of! 

They will i believe have an idea that very few clubs rise through the ranks without spending that hurts, and even fewer get to the promised land of the premier league, and stay there, without eye wateringly large outlays. 

Still, I would love to have a 1-1 with the owners and ask, " What's in it for you?" 

nagAddick

Terry Taylor signing for Northampton is imminent according to someone on their forum. 

YannTheMann

nagAddick said:

Terry Taylor signing for Northampton is imminent according to someone on their forum. 

What we doing sending him to another relegation candidate :-)

CharltontillidieCOYR

Think that is a good loan for him should play plenty of games and get his confidence up not too far away 

good luck to the lad

Melrose

Loan? Permanent i would have thought. Don't understand it really, don't think C.C. is any/much better than T.T.

killerandflash

Melrose said:

Loan? Permanent i would have thought. Don't understand it really, don't think C.C. is any/much better than T.T.

I think Coventry is a better all round midfielder than Taylor, but Taylor is a better option than Campbell. 

And if Coventry gets injured, we'll really miss him as an option.

DavidSelnser

i’ve heard we’re paying all of his wages for the loan …and a clause that is in their hands at the end of the season too. He’s not happy about playing time which is understandable 

valleynick66

DavidSelnser said:

i’ve heard we’re paying all of his wages for the loan …and a clause that is in their hands at the end of the season too. He’s not happy about playing time which is understandable 

You wouldn’t pay all
his wages to not have injury cover surely? 

ForeverAddickted

nagAddick said:

Terry Taylor signing for Northampton is imminent according to someone on their forum. 

Surprised he's going there, out of all the sides he's been linked with.

Callumcafc

DavidSelnser said:

i’ve heard we’re paying all of his wages for the loan …and a clause that is in their hands at the end of the season too. He’s not happy about playing time which is understandable 

Might as well keep him in that scenario.

Todds_right_hook

nagAddick said:

Terry Taylor signing for Northampton is imminent according to someone on their forum. 

When he comes back, it will be like a new signing

Henry Irving

DavidSelnser said:

i’ve heard we’re paying all of his wages for the loan …and a clause that is in their hands at the end of the season too. He’s not happy about playing time which is understandable 

Heard where? @davidselner

And what does "a clause that is in their hands" mean?

ButtleJR

Henry Irving said:

DavidSelnser said:

i’ve heard we’re paying all of his wages for the loan …and a clause that is in their hands at the end of the season too. He’s not happy about playing time which is understandable 

Heard where? @davidselner

And what does "a clause that is in their hands" mean?

I'd assume he means they can decide whether they keep him via an option. 

lordromford

DavidSelnser said:

i’ve heard we’re paying all of his wages for the loan …and a clause that is in their hands at the end of the season too. He’s not happy about playing time which is understandable 

Eh?
I don’t understand why any club would loan a player out with these agreements in place. What’s in it for the parent club? And even if he’s unhappy here, you can’t tell me getting him out the building can be worth that outlay?

The Prince-e-Paul

DavidSelnser said:

i’ve heard we’re paying all of his wages for the loan …and a clause that is in their hands at the end of the season too. He’s not happy about playing time which is understandable 

Madness. The Cobblers aren't exactly a big club, but what is in it for Charlton. I k ow ut gets him game time, but at a much lower level. Is that likely to increase his value? Surely any club has to pay something for the loan. FFS, disnt Sheff Utd pay a £1m+  for Rak Sakyi loan. How low we are. And many of our fans rate TT.