What has gone wrong with our limited overs teams? A few years ago our ODI team would regularly get above 320 & 350 was seem to be the norm. Now we struggle to get past 260 & 300 seems out of reach.
To go from 75-0 off 8 overs to then drift to 220-8 off 43 is so disappointing. Once again not getting to complete the overs and wasting such a good platform.
What has gone wrong with our limited overs teams? A few years ago our ODI team would regularly get above 320 & 350 was seem to be the norm. Now we struggle to get past 260 & 300 seems out of reach.
Can't all be Bazball.
Think we need more new faces and out with some of the old. Livingstone for one
What has gone wrong with our limited overs teams? A few years ago our ODI team would regularly get above 320 & 350 was seem to be the norm. Now we struggle to get past 260 & 300 seems out of reach.
Can't all be Bazball.
We've forgotten the art of playing 50 over cricket. The way the best teams do it is to go hard in the first 10 overs, at 5 an over for the next 30 and then score 100 plus in the final 10. But, there again, the only time that our team actually plays that form of the game is in internationals. If only we had a domestic competition where they could hone those skills.
Carse is bowling the net equivalent of "throw downs" - wide and full enough to square drive and then overcompensating to allow the batter to work the ball off his hips
I still can't make my mind up about Carse in any format really. He'll probably get the Zimbabwe test and a couple of the India tests as part of the rotation of seamers to prove himself.
I know he fits the Baz and Key mould but I'd be concerned if he goes to the Ashes
Just don't know how we're supposed to be successful in ODIs when the main white ball players barely play the format. Would be dropping Livingstone for sure , no need for him and Bethell.
England U19s beat their South African counterparts by 10 wickets in the 2nd Test. Archie Vaughan had figures of 5-1-21-1 in the 1st innings but, in the 2nd, returned 16-5-19-6. That is some control. Should he "kick on" then, as an opening bat that can bowl spin, he will be worth his weight in gold.
Just don't know how we're supposed to be successful in ODIs when the main white ball players barely play the format. Would be dropping Livingstone for sure , no need for him and Bethell.
Sam Hain averages the best part of 60 in List A cricket. Did well on his couple of appearances and then never seen again, bonkers that he doesn't get a go.
Just don't know how we're supposed to be successful in ODIs when the main white ball players barely play the format. Would be dropping Livingstone for sure , no need for him and Bethell.
Sam Hain averages the best part of 60 in List A cricket. Did well on his couple of appearances and then never seen again, bonkers that he doesn't get a go.
Hain would be straight in my side probably at 4. Bonkers he doesn't get more of a look.
Hain's main issue, given England's lack of five bowlers that can be relied on, is that he doesn't have that second skillset. The team already has four players that either only bat or keep (Salt, Duckett, Buttler and Brook) and Root has to be in the side too because he is our best batsman and the "glue". If Hain comes in then they have to drop either Livingstone or Bethell but that then means that the one left in the side has to bowl a full number of overs (or share them with Root) and neither have the control to do that. They simply aren't good enough with the ball.
If we go back to our WC winning side, we were fortunate to be playing at home and as a result we mostly didn't need that second spinner. We had Stokes as the all rounder to support the four other seamers plus we had Woakes at 8 and Plunkett at 9 who are better in those positions than Carse and Archer respectively. If we did include that second spinner then Moeen would come in for Plunkett and that further strengthened our batting. Whichever way we turn we just can't get that same balance.
There is one other aspect. I don't know Hain but the one thing that is clear is that any player coming into this set up has to pass the McCullum "will he fit in?" acid test. It is no coincidence that recent recruits such as Carse, Atkinson, Smith, Bethell and Rehan are in both the Test set up and this ODI squad - the only ones that aren't are Buttler and Salt (captain and a white ball specialist), Livingstone and Overton (all rounders) plus Mahmood.
Of course, the final nail in the coffin is that Mahmood is the only player that isn't one of the 29 centrally contracted players. He is coming back from long term injuries and was in the system prior to that. We have a player like Bairstow who could end up, as Malan did in the last cohort, drawing hundreds of thousands of pounds in salary for doing nothing and having made the decision to give those players a contract, it would be hugely embarrassing for McCullum and Key to then turn to Hain in front of them. Bairstow recently wanted permission to play in a franchise tournament and was flatly turned down by the ECB albeit was told that he could go if he were to give up his central contract. Guess which option h took!
England have an obsession with bit part all-rounders. Obviously in an ideal world its great to have as many all-rounders as possible, but when they're not very good it doesn't help. Geniunely think we'd be better off having our 6 best batsman & 5 best bowlers playing in ODIs
Forgetting England's short comings for a moment, India are a supremely talented white ball cricket team at the moment and aren't too shabby at test cricket.
I guess it helps that over 100 million people play cricket from dirt tracks to the elite professional players who have worked their way up from Schools cricket to be some of the most famous faces in Indian; a Country with a population of 1 and a 1/2 billion people.
England have won the toss and have elected to bat.
Out go Archer, Bethell (has a hamstring injury and Tom Banton has been called up as cover) and Carse and are replaced by Wood, Overton and Atkinson. The forgotten man of the tour, Rehan Ahmed, continues to do what he's perceived to do best - carry the drinks. For India, Kohli comes in for Jaiswal with Gill moving up to open and Chakravathy makes his ODI debut and is in for the rested Kuldeep.
Good start and platform at 75-0 after 10 overs (first time in 13 games that we haven't lost a wicket in the power play). Salt (24 off 26 and dropped by Axar) has struggled with his timing but has just hit a six off the "meat" whereas Duckett (48 off 34) has been his usual unforgiving self in dealing with anything with width.
Salt (26 off 29) eventually gives it up through frustration - straight up in the air off Varun and barely goes beyond the cut strip to be caught off the bowling of Varun
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The bowling has been truly average as demonstrated by Carse's figures of 3-0-38-0
I know he fits the Baz and Key mould but I'd be concerned if he goes to the Ashes
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Hain would be straight in my side probably at 4. Bonkers he doesn't get more of a look.
If we go back to our WC winning side, we were fortunate to be playing at home and as a result we mostly didn't need that second spinner. We had Stokes as the all rounder to support the four other seamers plus we had Woakes at 8 and Plunkett at 9 who are better in those positions than Carse and Archer respectively. If we did include that second spinner then Moeen would come in for Plunkett and that further strengthened our batting. Whichever way we turn we just can't get that same balance.
There is one other aspect. I don't know Hain but the one thing that is clear is that any player coming into this set up has to pass the McCullum "will he fit in?" acid test. It is no coincidence that recent recruits such as Carse, Atkinson, Smith, Bethell and Rehan are in both the Test set up and this ODI squad - the only ones that aren't are Buttler and Salt (captain and a white ball specialist), Livingstone and Overton (all rounders) plus Mahmood.
Of course, the final nail in the coffin is that Mahmood is the only player that isn't one of the 29 centrally contracted players. He is coming back from long term injuries and was in the system prior to that. We have a player like Bairstow who could end up, as Malan did in the last cohort, drawing hundreds of thousands of pounds in salary for doing nothing and having made the decision to give those players a contract, it would be hugely embarrassing for McCullum and Key to then turn to Hain in front of them. Bairstow recently wanted permission to play in a franchise tournament and was flatly turned down by the ECB albeit was told that he could go if he were to give up his central contract. Guess which option h took!
I guess it helps that over 100 million people play cricket from dirt tracks to the elite professional players who have worked their way up from Schools cricket to be some of the most famous faces in Indian; a Country with a population of 1 and a 1/2 billion people.
Out go Archer, Bethell (has a hamstring injury and Tom Banton has been called up as cover) and Carse and are replaced by Wood, Overton and Atkinson. The forgotten man of the tour, Rehan Ahmed, continues to do what he's perceived to do best - carry the drinks. For India, Kohli comes in for Jaiswal with Gill moving up to open and Chakravathy makes his ODI debut and is in for the rested Kuldeep.
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