POST-MATCH THREAD: Rotherham Utd v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 18th January 2025: KO 15:00

PhilFor54

I really can't get to grips with how awful the back 3 were. Fatigue ? I don't know but they were all dreadful. I'm a big fan of Lloyd Jones but he was so unlike his normal self yesterday. And that pass from Mitchell to their striker was incredible. 

se9addick

PhilFor54 said:

I really can't get to grips with how awful the back 3 were. Fatigue ? I don't know but they were all dreadful. I'm a big fan of Lloyd Jones but he was so unlike his normal self yesterday. And that pass from Mitchell to their striker was incredible. 

I think we saw when he was out how dependent we are on Lloyd Jones. He was essentially absent yesterday and we conceded four goals which could have been about 20. We really need to address this because we can’t be so dependent on a single player, especially one who has about five months left on his contract. 

BradtheMiller

I'm a Millers fan so tried to be as unbiased as I could in my matchday vlog.
I hope you like it despite the result. I spoke to a few Addicks fans pre match & you're a good lot, anyhoo here it is.....

https://youtu.be/xBK8Nogjpc0?si=bLE1uI6ydUa-v5I8

Bailey

I think there are a few comments on here that ring true regarding the performance on Saturday. Once again we came up against a manager who is a clever bugger when it comes to setting his side up and putting pace against a back three with no pace at all really set the tone of the match in Rotherhams favour. Nathan Jones had to revert to a diamond formation to try and arrest one way traffic but once a forward knows he has the better of his marker then he is like a dog with a bone and Evans and Jones were both right in saying it could have been more. I was amazed that REG didn't come on for Mitchell but wasn't amazed when Small was sacrificed, but pace and aggression was needed in that back three and it was obvious that pace is not in their game and if you can't get close to your marker you can't be aggressive. Was there any positives, yes, Docherty played well, and there has been criticism over Leaburn's performance but he had one chance and he buried it, the same can be said for Godden, who in my opinion deserves to be restored up front now that we have some width in the side, Tyreece Campbell is a wide player not a forward Nathan, oops I'm picking his side for him again. 

agim

Posting after watching the highlights and listening to Charlton Live. 

The one thing you need to do against a team like Rotherham especially away from home is keep it tight for the first twenty minutes or so and work your way into the game. We go two down in fifteen!
Lloyd Jones has been a rock for us this season so he gets a pass on this one for me but I'm expecting a response on Tuesday. Seems like we got bullied all over the park and it really was one to forget!

I posted on twitter the other day that on average you need 22 wins to get into the playoffs. We're currently on 9 with 22 games left meaning we need 13 wins from 22. Bare in mind 4 of our wins were from the opening 6 games! Lots of numbers there but the answer to this equation is another season in League One I'm afraid 

Callumcafc

https://x.com/nozza_/status/1881299489337819535?s=46&t=ynww82GMl7VKBjthBflU0g

Haven’t seen Mitchell rattled often but the weekend was definitely one such occasion 

Lincsaddick

As an aside .. I didn't recognize many of the Millers team, Phillips of course and Green who was our loanee a few years back.
I went onto the Rotherham wiki page and 'googled' the individual players. Not to be demeaning, but basically a set of pretty experienced lower league 'journeymen' who Evans and his scouts and coaches have developed into a skilful and committed outfit after a slow start. Oh that our management team could do the same.
Will they stay the course ? .. as ever we will see

SoundAsa£

Fanny Fanackapan said:

SoundAsa£ said:

Oh how we missed Dobson at Rotherham, he would surely have led by example and put some gumption and determination into our very very poor midfield performance.
How on earth did we let him get away….madness.😠

Seems to be out of favour at Wrexham currently.....

Mmmmm……now that’s interesting. 

eastterrace6168

SoundAsa£ said:

Fanny Fanackapan said:

SoundAsa£ said:

Oh how we missed Dobson at Rotherham, he would surely have led by example and put some gumption and determination into our very very poor midfield performance.
How on earth did we let him get away….madness.😠

Seems to be out of favour at Wrexham currently.....

Mmmmm……now that’s interesting. 

...Come home Dobbo, "Your team needs you"...🧐

Garrymanilow

seth plum said:

Is one of the herd of elephants in the room the almost season long anonymity of captain Gary Docherty?
Was he playing yesterday?
Karoy Anderson contributed more positive stuff in his cameo yesterday than Docherty puts in over ten games.
What is he for? Being powerful and combative? Pace? Vision and passing? Trickery on the ball? Getting the best out of others? Tackling?
How much are we paying him?
(This is before we get on to Ahadme, but at least with Ahadme you know he is on the pitch).

To be fair to Gary, he's 44 years old and we sold him 13 years ago, so that's limited his impact.

Scoham

Garrymanilow said:

seth plum said:

Is one of the herd of elephants in the room the almost season long anonymity of captain Gary Docherty?
Was he playing yesterday?
Karoy Anderson contributed more positive stuff in his cameo yesterday than Docherty puts in over ten games.
What is he for? Being powerful and combative? Pace? Vision and passing? Trickery on the ball? Getting the best out of others? Tackling?
How much are we paying him?
(This is before we get on to Ahadme, but at least with Ahadme you know he is on the pitch).

To be fair to Gary, he's 44 years old and we sold him 13 years ago, so that's limited his impact.

Comeonyoureds

Lincsaddick said:

As an aside .. I didn't recognize many of the Millers team, Phillips of course and Green who was our loanee a few years back.
I went onto the Rotherham wiki page and 'googled' the individual players. Not to be demeaning, but basically a set of pretty experienced lower league 'journeymen' who Evans and his scouts and coaches have developed into a skilful and committed outfit after a slow start. Oh that our management team could do the same.
Will they stay the course ? .. as ever we will see

Wilks is a good player, I remember when he was at Doncaster, when we beat them in the Play-off Semi. I'm surprised he's not playing in the Championship, he's a real talent.

Bailey

seth plum said:

Is one of the herd of elephants in the room the almost season long anonymity of captain Gary Docherty?
Was he playing yesterday?
Karoy Anderson contributed more positive stuff in his cameo yesterday than Docherty puts in over ten games.
What is he for? Being powerful and combative? Pace? Vision and passing? Trickery on the ball? Getting the best out of others? Tackling?
How much are we paying him?
(This is before we get on to Ahadme, but at least with Ahadme you know he is on the pitch).

Think a fact check might help on this one. Docherty got the assist for the first Charlton goal and pressurised the Rotherham player into miss-controlling the ball into the path of Godden, who then slammed it into the far corner. So he probably did contribute more than Karoy Anderson, for what its worth I'd have Karoy, Docherty and Godden playing. 

Oh_Yoni_Boy

Bit delayed, but need to post my post-match views to get them out of my head and move on with the week...

Defense - No confidence in Ash making a save or difficult claim, Jones and co. won the simple head-tennis balls but misjudged almost everything a bit challenging and got out-competed on the ground. Jones looked hungover like he didn't actually want to head the ball at times - there was a fairly well hit cross they nearly scored from (second half I think) where under no challenge he stooped under it and similar situation with their 3rd goal from him... not even going into their 2nd. Whole back line stood off and just generally looked routed after 20mins - Gillesphey had a look of PTSD about him and our wing backs occupied a void, behind which Wilks and Green made a playground for themselves.

Midfield - Disorganised off the ball, not a particular lack of effort, but gaps allowing Rotherham time and space to play in the middle. Reactive pressing that could be navigated through in 2/3 easy passes isn't going to cut it against a relatively decent team. Technically on the ball seeing way too many poor first touches for professional footballers that were well-exploited by Rotherham, pitch didn't look like an excuse. A spate of just lazily directed or underhit passes not making it easy for each other didn't help either (Doherty criminal for this). In fairness to Coventry he put a few quality deliveries into the box and chased around. Anyway, boils down to extremely low quality on the ball in our midfield and lack cohesion off it - Berry looked like he'd never met any of them before.

Attack - Strategy seems to be to let Campbell press on his own Benny Hill-style, Leaburn didn't look hugely interested and neither of them could retain the ball at all, even if the service was dire. Improvement when Godden and Chuks came on but the horse had bolted, would like to see more of Godden - he looked pissed off.

Stig

BradtheMiller said:

I'm a Millers fan so tried to be as unbiased as I could in my matchday vlog.
I hope you like it despite the result. I spoke to a few Addicks fans pre match & you're a good lot, anyhoo here it is.....

https://youtu.be/xBK8Nogjpc0?si=bLE1uI6ydUa-v5I8

I enjoyed that @BradtheMiller. I'd have enjoyed it more though if we could have stayed by the river and watched the wildlife.

In answer to your question, you had two ex-Addicks in your lineup on Saturday. Dillon Phillips started out at Charlton, he was at our academy from a very early age and made over 80 appearances for us. Andre Green played a handful of matches on loan to us. I can't really remember anything much about him, so in recent years that makes him am archytypal Charlton player - a status sealed when he scored against us, as they nearly all do. 

Lincsaddick

Comeonyoureds said:

Lincsaddick said:

As an aside .. I didn't recognize many of the Millers team, Phillips of course and Green who was our loanee a few years back.
I went onto the Rotherham wiki page and 'googled' the individual players. Not to be demeaning, but basically a set of pretty experienced lower league 'journeymen' who Evans and his scouts and coaches have developed into a skilful and committed outfit after a slow start. Oh that our management team could do the same.
Will they stay the course ? .. as ever we will see

Wilks is a good player, I remember when he was at Doncaster, when we beat them in the Play-off Semi. I'm surprised he's not playing in the Championship, he's a real talent.

I forgot about Wilks in my 'players who's who' .. good player with an unfortunate background which (i m o) has hindered his career .. to an extent, he fits the 'much travelled journeyman' profile during his moving around northern clubs

Garrymanilow

Bailey said:

seth plum said:

Is one of the herd of elephants in the room the almost season long anonymity of captain Gary Docherty?
Was he playing yesterday?
Karoy Anderson contributed more positive stuff in his cameo yesterday than Docherty puts in over ten games.
What is he for? Being powerful and combative? Pace? Vision and passing? Trickery on the ball? Getting the best out of others? Tackling?
How much are we paying him?
(This is before we get on to Ahadme, but at least with Ahadme you know he is on the pitch).

Think a fact check might help on this one. Docherty got the assist for the first Charlton goal and pressurised the Rotherham player into miss-controlling the ball into the path of Godden, who then slammed it into the far corner. So he probably did contribute more than Karoy Anderson, for what its worth I'd have Karoy, Docherty and Godden playing. 

I think it was actually Allan Campbell who put the pressure on for the second goal which means, weirdly, all his major contributions for Charlton have been being slightly involved in other players' wonder strikes against Rotherham. He rolled Chuks the ball for his banger against them at The Valley and harried the ball into Godden's path at their place. 

Lewis Coaches

Covered End said:

Algarveaddick said:

Reading a few comments on players being "tired", and in fairness we hear this on the TV about footballers in all divisions, from the Premiership down. I think it's a very lame excuse to be honest. They are young men, whose sole job is to play football. The higher up the tree, the less distractions they have. Being athletic enough to run for 90 minutes twice a week is all that is asked of them fitness wise (fairly often just once a week). Far thinner squads used to see players who were ever present year in year out, there are still players who want to - and do - play in every match. If, at 25 years old they are not physically capable of performing at their best for 3 hours out of 168, they are in the wrong game.          

I think much of the possible tiredness could be down to sitting on a coach travelling up and down the country from London to Preston and back then back up to Rotherham in the space of a few days.

Personally, I feel inexplicably tired after a 3 or 4 hour coach journey.

Well we will find out Tuesday night if it’s tiredness through travel , as the players have been staying up north since Rotherham match.

Tiredness through football I find that hard to believe.

NabySarr

Comeonyoureds said:

Lincsaddick said:

As an aside .. I didn't recognize many of the Millers team, Phillips of course and Green who was our loanee a few years back.
I went onto the Rotherham wiki page and 'googled' the individual players. Not to be demeaning, but basically a set of pretty experienced lower league 'journeymen' who Evans and his scouts and coaches have developed into a skilful and committed outfit after a slow start. Oh that our management team could do the same.
Will they stay the course ? .. as ever we will see

Wilks is a good player, I remember when he was at Doncaster, when we beat them in the Play-off Semi. I'm surprised he's not playing in the Championship, he's a real talent.

He seems to instead be using his career to complete the play for every team in Yorkshire challenge. So far has completed Leeds, Doncaster, Sheffield Wednesday, Hull, Barnsley and Rotherham 

Dazzler21

TT is being overrated by many, CC is being overrated by some, WM is probably as average as is being said. 

tangoflash

With a bit of luck, this was the game where interested teams sent their scouts to look at Lloyd Jones & Thierry Small. 

king addick

clive said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBdaJONPtZ4

First time I have seen the highlights. Fucking hell. 

All 4 goals was just terrible defending similar to that of 2 seasons or so ago. 

Cant happen again, embarrassing. 

Ben18

Luke Berry looks like he's suffering an unfortunate fondling by the Rotherham defender in that thumbnail

se9addick

Ben18 said:

Luke Berry looks like he's suffering an unfortunate fondling by the Rotherham defender in that thumbnail

Looks pretty fortunate to me!