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POST-MATCH THREAD: Rotherham Utd v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 18th January 2025: KO 15:00

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  • Oggy Red said:
    fenaddick said:
    Oggy Red said:
    NJ seems to have this rigid ideology where the system is king - which is fine, if there is a team of players each fully adapted to it.

    But surely otherwise, you need to find a gameplan that best uses the abilities of individual players that you do have?

    All season some players have struggled to fit into the system and have looked ineffective, yet they signed here with good reputations at previous clubs.



    He’s completely shifted away from his preferred system a couple of times this season though and yesterday we played about 4 different formations. He got outdone by Evans and the players got outfought yesterday but he wasn’t rigid yesterday at all
    In desperation though and our players were still chasing shadows.
    And really, despite the tinkering it's still the same core system.

    But my point was there are several players in the squad who cannot seem to replicate their form at their previous clubs. And maybe constraining Leaburn and TC also?







    Leaburn and TC (especially) are playing some of the best football we’ve seen them play. TC is a real threat now and doesn’t look lightweight at all. 

    I’d argue yesterday we actually went away from how we’ve been playing for the last month or so and went back to the beginning of the season. Tactically we’ve been very different for about a month or so, it’s been very different at its core and that’s why yesterday stood out so much 
  • edited January 19
    Rotherham pitch looked infinitely better than our shit-tip. Perhaps that was the problem!
  • We have a goalkeeper that is non athletic, wooden, not mobile,acrobatic. How Terry Taylor doesn't get in the squad,  most intelligent  midfielder in the club,most lightly will be let go because Jones doesn't like footballers. Alan Campbell  say no more, yesterday was like  watching 11 Alan Campbells playing ,chickens with no heads. 
  • Jesus, is Evans the footballing Einstein, Newton and Sun Tsu rolled into one? 

    What does our defence depend on? Jones settling the other slightly dodgier defenders. How do you combat that? Unsettle Jones you say, you really are the messiah, you have earned another pie. 
    He also understands the capabilities of his team. 
  • Before anyone says anything I mean how does Campbell  get in the squad every week, help his appearance money I suppose 
  • Stig said:
    Two good finishes from our forwards, otherwise disjointed up front, absent in midfield and calamitous at the back.  It's been said before, but I'll say it again, we really shouldn't have got rid of these two:


    Is that Brian May?
    No, it’s Alfie May.
    Is that the joke? It’s supposed to be May and Dobson? Weird.
    I've only just got this joke. Thanks all.

    (Was worried having seen 40+ lols last night and not recognising the 2 celebs. Should go back and give Stig a lol now.)
    Snap.
    It’s been 35-40 years since Angie & Den though. How the hell did those who got the joke even recognise her?
  • edited January 19
    A 3rd tier game between two mid table teams was won comprehensively by the yo-yo team from South Yorkshire. 
    An ex loan player in Andre Green* scored 1 and 2 assists to push the custard pies into the face of all addicts and no doubt Steve Evans ate the left overs.

    However good, bad, or ugly CAFC have been in individual matches this season bizarrely, most score lines have had just 1 goal between them going into the business end of matches.
    With 35 minutes to go we were 4-1 down and AMB kept the score down 🤷🏻‍♂️

    24 matches gone and we are glued to mid table. The bottom 4 are sinking fast and the top 6 will wave CAFC goodbye If yesterday's omnishambles isn't a one off over the last 22 matches.

    A sixth season in League 1 is nearly guaranteed.

    * Andre Green who came on loan on the 2nd day of that  infamous window when Matthew y'know bullshitter, y'know liar, y'know charlatan Southall, wormed his way into CAFC and poisoned our club so bad that we've had a belly ache ever since. 🤢😤
  • People blaming the back three, but the ball just kept reaching them far too easily, it was like a knife through hot butter as far as our midfield was concerned...
    Agree not great from either of Jones, Mitchell or Gillesphey, but if they had an effective midfield in front of them last night, then it wouldn't have been so embarrassingly one sided.
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  • Stig said:
    Two good finishes from our forwards, otherwise disjointed up front, absent in midfield and calamitous at the back.  It's been said before, but I'll say it again, we really shouldn't have got rid of these two:


    Is that Brian May?
    No, it’s Alfie May.
    Is that the joke? It’s supposed to be May and Dobson? Weird.
    I've only just got this joke. Thanks all.

    (Was worried having seen 40+ lols last night and not recognising the 2 celebs. Should go back and give Stig a lol now.)
    Snap.
    It’s been 35-40 years since Angie & Den though. How the hell did those who got the joke even recognise her?
    She's quite recognisable I would say. And you do know that are married to one another so are seen together.
  • Stig said:
    Two good finishes from our forwards, otherwise disjointed up front, absent in midfield and calamitous at the back.  It's been said before, but I'll say it again, we really shouldn't have got rid of these two:


    Is that Brian May?
    No, it’s Alfie May.
    Is that the joke? It’s supposed to be May and Dobson? Weird.
    I've only just got this joke. Thanks all.

    (Was worried having seen 40+ lols last night and not recognising the 2 celebs. Should go back and give Stig a lol now.)
    Snap.
    It’s been 35-40 years since Angie & Den though. How the hell did those who got the joke even recognise her?
    She's quite recognisable I would say. And you do know that are married to one another so are seen together.
    Alfie May is married to George Dobson? Well I never.
  • Stig said:
    Two good finishes from our forwards, otherwise disjointed up front, absent in midfield and calamitous at the back.  It's been said before, but I'll say it again, we really shouldn't have got rid of these two:


    Is that Brian May?
    No, it’s Alfie May.
    Is that the joke? It’s supposed to be May and Dobson? Weird.
    I've only just got this joke. Thanks all.

    (Was worried having seen 40+ lols last night and not recognising the 2 celebs. Should go back and give Stig a lol now.)
    Snap.
    It’s been 35-40 years since Angie & Den though. How the hell did those who got the joke even recognise her?
    She's quite recognisable I would say. And you do know that are married to one another so are seen together.
    Alfie May is married to George Dobson? Well I never.
    That would solve a riddle of them both going about the same time, they eloped to Gretna Green..🤔
  • edited January 19
    Many of NJ signing dont make the squad or sit on the bench. The mediocrity of expensive salaried Berry and Docherty make them almost undropable and mean that his many additions to the team don't start. 

    Time to throw out the bath water and integrate Anderson, Reid, Zach, Dixon and Enslin. Perhaps Bowers. Not necessarily to improve immediate performances, but to build for the future. 
  • Chunes said:
    How can a team turn up one game and be chasing, battling, biting ankles, and then turn up the next and show a collective collapse of any desire or concentration.

    Is it some kind of emotional contagion where one or two leaders aren't feeling it and it reverberates through the group... Is it something in the preparation that is putting everyone in the wrong mindset? Like the food, coaching, warm-up, training, etc. It can't just be a random occurrence when the game kicks off and every single player looks a mile off the pace. 

    Surely the answer is worth pursuing, because it would give us a consistency we have not had for season after season. 
    The whole squad had found out during the warm up, that Nathan had shagged every one of their misses, or the younger ones, their mother's! Nope must be another reason. 

    I watched the matched almost in disbelief. I mean, we've been boring a lot of times this season, and we've been a bit talentless, but this almost looked like they were actively trying to do the opposite of trying. To say they were bystanders would be overstaying their efforts.

    I had to keep telling my dad each time there was another feck up, and the messages became a bit repetitive. 

    I challenge anyone to re-watch the Mitchell pass infield to their striker. It is beyond belief. It makes our Wembley backpass seem like it's something they practice in training. AMB saved a certain goal, with a very good reaction save and even the rebound wasn't closed down.

    Jones needs to sit the lot of them down on Monday and make them watch the game in full. 
  • To quote corpral Jones, our lot do not like it up them. When a team turns up with a very high phulysical press our lot go into panic mode.
    That is what happend yesterday I would guess.
  • Same Old inconsistent Shite followed by verbal 
    Bollocks from NJ. 
    Sad times for the Charlton faithful 👎👎👎
  • edited January 19
    Agree the midfield is mediocre. I just looked at the Assists table and our highest player is 47th. And that's Josh Edwards. Docherty has had maybe two good performances all season. Coventry is competent but plays a rather simple game. Berry has moments but contributes less on the whole. Alan Campbell can't play the role we signed him to play and Karoy has been awful at times. 

    With the financial restrictions coming in next season, now would be a great time to bring in a standout midfielder. Will they do it? Not holding my breath. 

    Yesterday was a capitulation across the field, but it's obvious that NJ's insistence on bringing in defensive midfielders to play advanced has been a source of the stagnation this season. 
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  • Came to the game positive yesterday after enjoying the performance against Preston and ended up leaving 15 minutes before the end to get an earlier train. They were the better team by such a long way it was embarrassing. Someone on here mentioned before, we were out thought and out fought. That's exactly what happened. We were never in this match. We succeeded in making Rotherham look like a Premier League side in the second half with their one touch football. 
    Saying that, Rotherham were very good. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they are in the play offs at the end of the season. They did their homework, doubling up on Small and Campbell every time they got the ball leaving them completely isolated. Once those outlets were shutdown we had nothing. They pressed hard across the pitch, exposing how uncomfortable we are on the ball to the point where they bullied us into playing long ball again. The fear is that there is a clear blueprint of how to play against us and all of the momentum of the Christmas period could erode as quickly as it was formed.
    I'm cautiously optimistic that Tuesday will be better and don't think we should abandon everything on just one result. Wouldn't bee surprised to see Anderson and Ahadme back in the line up though to add a bit of energy in.

    Leaving early never done that in my life with Charlton, and Rotherham in play offs you .

    Lol
  • th0rryy said:
    Sticking to the football, what were the expectations of the SMT for this season, last season and, if you like, the January transfer window in 2022/23, when they were obviously pulling strings behind the scenes? To what extent were those expectations fulfilled? Clearly they did not expect to finish 16th in 2023/24. Since he is the one person whose role is narrowly defined as football, what has Andy Scott in particular contributed when we are already in the fifth transfer window in which he has been involved? I would say on balance his record has been overwhelmingly negative, unless the sole criterion used is reducing immediate player cost, which is difficult to assess. 
    Although I don't necessarily advocate for us cleaning house with our SLT, the main person that does seem to be a target for my personal ire is Andy Scott because recruitment clearly has not been good enough. Scouting doesn't seem to be there and the number of players that he has signed that have either not hit expectation or have left to play at a comparatively lower level. And then for players like Dobson and May who did take a potential upward move, it doesn't feel like we dealt with them very well either.

    I put a lot of blame at the door of Scott for results like this when you take a step back and look at things from a strategic level. We're getting too many journeyman footballers that are on the decline and have been for some time. We've seemingly taken a stance against loans (that arguably is decided in combination with NJ) and it feels like signings are being made (or possibly not made) over whether players are seen as cheap investments and bets. A couple may yet pay off (e.g. Ramsay and Small), but even then, I think we'll end up being diddled on deals.

    There was a time a few weeks ago I thought Jones was on the precipice, but I think he's working with tools that are poor partially by his own making, but I think more notably by Scott. We're destined to remain where we are until we start continually bringing in better quality players in the right areas, and the identification of those players that can push us forward has been both slow and regularly incorrect.

    I don't really know how he's not taken more flack for where we are at, but as I have said elsewhere, I think internal spin regarding this season is that this is yet another transition season and top half is fine. They won't admit to it publicly - if I was bankrolling things, my tolerance for such tepid improvement would not be very high. We could still float towards where we were last season and people like Scott should not be off the hook for this.
    scott oversees the whole footballing (as opposed to business) operation of the club - he is and has been responsible for it for circa 2 years now - he doesn't seem to communicate with us fans about what he's doing and how its all going, unlike when he first took up the role - too embarrassed to show his face i guess.  
  • Stig said:
    Two good finishes from our forwards, otherwise disjointed up front, absent in midfield and calamitous at the back.  It's been said before, but I'll say it again, we really shouldn't have got rid of these two:


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  • th0rryy said:
    Sticking to the football, what were the expectations of the SMT for this season, last season and, if you like, the January transfer window in 2022/23, when they were obviously pulling strings behind the scenes? To what extent were those expectations fulfilled? Clearly they did not expect to finish 16th in 2023/24. Since he is the one person whose role is narrowly defined as football, what has Andy Scott in particular contributed when we are already in the fifth transfer window in which he has been involved? I would say on balance his record has been overwhelmingly negative, unless the sole criterion used is reducing immediate player cost, which is difficult to assess. 
    Although I don't necessarily advocate for us cleaning house with our SLT, the main person that does seem to be a target for my personal ire is Andy Scott because recruitment clearly has not been good enough. Scouting doesn't seem to be there and the number of players that he has signed that have either not hit expectation or have left to play at a comparatively lower level. And then for players like Dobson and May who did take a potential upward move, it doesn't feel like we dealt with them very well either.

    I put a lot of blame at the door of Scott for results like this when you take a step back and look at things from a strategic level. We're getting too many journeyman footballers that are on the decline and have been for some time. We've seemingly taken a stance against loans (that arguably is decided in combination with NJ) and it feels like signings are being made (or possibly not made) over whether players are seen as cheap investments and bets. A couple may yet pay off (e.g. Ramsay and Small), but even then, I think we'll end up being diddled on deals.

    There was a time a few weeks ago I thought Jones was on the precipice, but I think he's working with tools that are poor partially by his own making, but I think more notably by Scott. We're destined to remain where we are until we start continually bringing in better quality players in the right areas, and the identification of those players that can push us forward has been both slow and regularly incorrect.

    I don't really know how he's not taken more flack for where we are at, but as I have said elsewhere, I think internal spin regarding this season is that this is yet another transition season and top half is fine. They won't admit to it publicly - if I was bankrolling things, my tolerance for such tepid improvement would not be very high. We could still float towards where we were last season and people like Scott should not be off the hook for this.

    They like to repeat the line of "we have given Jones the players he wants".   Hmmmm, I'd like to know how many they have said no to before he gets a yes.
  • Oh how we missed Dobson at Rotherham, he would surely have led by example and put some gumption and determination into our very very poor midfield performance.
    How on earth did we let him get away….madness.😠
    Seems to be out of favour at Wrexham currently.....
  • Something didn’t look right for me yesterday. We were very poor from the off. The body language didn’t look good. We just look like an established mid table League one club with little chance of getting promoted. I don’t understand why the current owners bought us. We have very few assets and huge running costs. 
    Me neither, guess charlie boy is a grade A bullshit artist who needed a wage for him & his mates ?
  • Reading a few comments on players being "tired", and in fairness we hear this on the TV about footballers in all divisions, from the Premiership down. I think it's a very lame excuse to be honest. They are young men, whose sole job is to play football. The higher up the tree, the less distractions they have. Being athletic enough to run for 90 minutes twice a week is all that is asked of them fitness wise (fairly often just once a week). Far thinner squads used to see players who were ever present year in year out, there are still players who want to - and do - play in every match. If, at 25 years old they are not physically capable of performing at their best for 3 hours out of 168, they are in the wrong game.          
    I think much of the possible tiredness could be down to sitting on a coach travelling up and down the country from London to Preston and back then back up to Rotherham in the space of a few days.

    Personally, I feel inexplicably tired after a 3 or 4 hour coach journey.
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