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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Shrewsbury Town: Saturday 25th January 2025: KO 15:00
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I genuinely think players are being positively encouraged (and possibly trained) to do this now, sadly.DA9 said:
I thought Chuks was looking for fouls everytime, went down very easily yesterdayEastTerrace said:Shrews pressed and defended well (until the final minutes).
We were slow, tired and pedestrian for most of the game. The ball needed to be played faster around them. Lacked creativity.
Leaburn looked like a passenger and Chuks caused mayhem but in reality was way off his best. Doc had a chance that would have been easier to score than miss.6 -
probably wanted a quick word with Jones and Small get them to sign pre-contracts..PragueAddick said:
Well I only go by what I see on the streams, if I am at the Valley, I tend not to hang around unless there's a tunnel jump, so if it's as you say, I agree.fenaddick said:
There's a big difference between shaking a few hands on your way to the referee and hanging around to watch celebrations and then make sure you shake everyone's hand. It's unusual and a nice thing, nice things are becoming less frequent in football so I think it's worth pointing outPragueAddick said:I don't know why Ainsworth shaking hands with ours is seen as something worth remarking on. It seems standard to me. Watching on the stream I always see NJ shaking hands with oppo players. I think it's just that Ainsworth cuts a figure with his slow moving gait and daft wild hair, and/or we're still recovering from laughing at Evatt and Lloyd Jones.
It's also smart people management. He knows he might meet these players again - or want to.0 -
Edwards is good at letting himself be fouled to win free kicks. I expect it’s one of the things Hylton is here to help teach too.AFKABartram said:
I genuinely think players are being positively encouraged (and possibly trained) to do this now, sadly.DA9 said:
I thought Chuks was looking for fouls everytime, went down very easily yesterdayEastTerrace said:Shrews pressed and defended well (until the final minutes).
We were slow, tired and pedestrian for most of the game. The ball needed to be played faster around them. Lacked creativity.
Leaburn looked like a passenger and Chuks caused mayhem but in reality was way off his best. Doc had a chance that would have been easier to score than miss.1 -
Good shout,..Pelling1993 said:We need to make a few changes on Tuesday I agree. Leaburn, Campbell & Berry looked knackered to me. Might be too risky but Anderson, Kanu & Godden could come in for some fresh legs
We will need to give some legs a rest, and Leaburn particularly did look very leggy, Godden to start with TC with the other two as and when needed...give Leaburn a day off...1 -
TBF, he did get impressively taken out for one of the fouls against him and it also looked like he did get a slap in the back of the head for another. You only have to look at the opposition players to know they are threatened by him just being there so I suspect he is getting more than his fair share of clipped ankles and sly digs.DA9 said:
I thought Chuks was looking for fouls everytime, went down very easily yesterdayEastTerrace said:Shrews pressed and defended well (until the final minutes).
We were slow, tired and pedestrian for most of the game. The ball needed to be played faster around them. Lacked creativity.
Leaburn looked like a passenger and Chuks caused mayhem but in reality was way off his best. Doc had a chance that would have been easier to score than miss.2 -
Agree with this. Godden's experience means he can be hard work for CBs in his own way and given Miles is rarely winning anything in the air at the mo its no loss in that respect.Redskin said:Blissful celebratory madness when the Small one finished.
Start Godden over Leaburn on Tuesday.
Then you have Chuks + Miles to come on later which no back line will fancy.2 -
Yep, it's one of my Dad's enduring rants that we don't leave someone up near the halfway line when defending a corner. Personally I'd volunteer Tyreece for the job, as he's not especially defensively minded, doesn't have the height of Miles or Chuks, and his pace is going to scare the bejaysus out of the opposition, so even if it doesn't lead to a goal-scoring chance, it might mean they end up having to foul him to stop him and risk getting sent off. Plus it helps take the pressure off us defensively - I remember last season where there was one game (think it might've been Oxford at home?) where we'd been under sustained pressure at the back for a while, and Dobbo got the ball to Tyreece, who went charging down the wing with 3 or 4 opposition players after him. It didn't come to anything in the end, but meant the defence got a breather for a few minutes.golfaddick said:
Also, if you leave a player on or near the half way line the opposition have to keep a player or two back to mark him.Addick Addict said:We deserved to win but it could easily have been one of those matches where we might have been ahead in every department of the game apart from goals.
One thing (and I mentioned it on the match thread) I really do not understand for the life of me. We are at home. We are struggling to break down the opposition who have a corner. We have all 11 defending and we clear the ball to no one on the half way line. With our pace that really is one situation where there are massive gaps to exploit but, instead, we are inviting the opposition to send the ball straight back into our box and put us under more pressure. Until we clear it again that is.
Basic football.
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We’ve gone back to using Leaburn as a static target man and years of watching us play with that tactic should have taught everyone that there is only one player capable of making the most of that role in the whole football league and it’s Chuks. The one moment when Leaburn was left to move around he found space from the corner for that header he almost scored from. He’s a big, mobile footballer that can also head a ball, let him run around more and pass the ball to him, not the 8ft tall giant we are lumping balls towards atm.hermann said:
Agree with this. Godden's experience means he can be hard work for CBs in his own way and given Miles is rarely winning anything in the air at the mo its no loss in that respect.Redskin said:Blissful celebratory madness when the Small one finished.
Start Godden over Leaburn on Tuesday.
Then you have Chuks + Miles to come on later which no back line will fancy.2 -
Reminded me a bit of the Orient game earlier in the season.
90+ minutes of nothingness that if it had ended 0-0 would've likely seen everyone moaning about how shit we are, toothless, don't create anything etc then suddenly an injury time winner sends everyone home happy thinking what a good win, play offs here we come.3 -
what, are you saying were getting Simon Makienok back?letthegoodtimesroll said:
We’ve gone back to using Leaburn as a static target man and years of watching us play with that tactic should have taught everyone that there is only one player capable of making the most of that role in the whole football league and it’s Chuks. The one moment when Leaburn was left to move around he found space from the corner for that header he almost scored from. He’s a big, mobile footballer that can also head a ball, let him run around more and pass the ball to him, not the 8ft tall giant we are lumping balls towards atm.hermann said:
Agree with this. Godden's experience means he can be hard work for CBs in his own way and given Miles is rarely winning anything in the air at the mo its no loss in that respect.Redskin said:Blissful celebratory madness when the Small one finished.
Start Godden over Leaburn on Tuesday.
Then you have Chuks + Miles to come on later which no back line will fancy.0 - Sponsored links:
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Had the same conversation with my dad when we were watching the stream yesterday. You’d think opponents would leave a couple more players back if TC stayed high up the pitch when defending set pieces. Gives the chance for a counter attack and surely we wouldn’t be losing much defensively.aliwibble said:
Yep, it's one of my Dad's enduring rants that we don't leave someone up near the halfway line when defending a corner. Personally I'd volunteer Tyreece for the job, as he's not especially defensively minded, doesn't have the height of Miles or Chuks, and his pace is going to scare the bejaysus out of the opposition, so even if it doesn't lead to a goal-scoring chance, it might mean they end up having to foul him to stop him and risk getting sent off. Plus it helps take the pressure off us defensively - I remember last season where there was one game (think it might've been Oxford at home?) where we'd been under sustained pressure at the back for a while, and Dobbo got the ball to Tyreece, who went charging down the wing with 3 or 4 opposition players after him. It didn't come to anything in the end, but meant the defence got a breather for a few minutes.golfaddick said:
Also, if you leave a player on or near the half way line the opposition have to keep a player or two back to mark him.Addick Addict said:We deserved to win but it could easily have been one of those matches where we might have been ahead in every department of the game apart from goals.
One thing (and I mentioned it on the match thread) I really do not understand for the life of me. We are at home. We are struggling to break down the opposition who have a corner. We have all 11 defending and we clear the ball to no one on the half way line. With our pace that really is one situation where there are massive gaps to exploit but, instead, we are inviting the opposition to send the ball straight back into our box and put us under more pressure. Until we clear it again that is.
Basic football.
Most of our managers in recent years have defended with the whole team, so there must be something in it that means it’s seen as the way to go.3 -
Scoham said:
Had the same conversation with my dad when we were watching the stream yesterday. You’d think opponents would leave a couple more players back if TC stayed high up the pitch when defending set pieces. Gives the chance for a counter attack and surely we wouldn’t be losing much defensively.aliwibble said:
Yep, it's one of my Dad's enduring rants that we don't leave someone up near the halfway line when defending a corner. Personally I'd volunteer Tyreece for the job, as he's not especially defensively minded, doesn't have the height of Miles or Chuks, and his pace is going to scare the bejaysus out of the opposition, so even if it doesn't lead to a goal-scoring chance, it might mean they end up having to foul him to stop him and risk getting sent off. Plus it helps take the pressure off us defensively - I remember last season where there was one game (think it might've been Oxford at home?) where we'd been under sustained pressure at the back for a while, and Dobbo got the ball to Tyreece, who went charging down the wing with 3 or 4 opposition players after him. It didn't come to anything in the end, but meant the defence got a breather for a few minutes.golfaddick said:
Also, if you leave a player on or near the half way line the opposition have to keep a player or two back to mark him.Addick Addict said:We deserved to win but it could easily have been one of those matches where we might have been ahead in every department of the game apart from goals.
One thing (and I mentioned it on the match thread) I really do not understand for the life of me. We are at home. We are struggling to break down the opposition who have a corner. We have all 11 defending and we clear the ball to no one on the half way line. With our pace that really is one situation where there are massive gaps to exploit but, instead, we are inviting the opposition to send the ball straight back into our box and put us under more pressure. Until we clear it again that is.
Basic football.
Most of our managers in recent years have defended with the whole team, so there must be something in it that means it’s seen as the way to go.
This is something that annoyed me and my dad for years, even when we had the likes of Danny Haynes he was never left on the halfway line0 -
That moment in the first half when Thierry flip-flapped his way past two players... Don't think I've ever seen that in L1 before! Shame Soccer AM is not still going because he'd be in the showboat.
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Thought he looked a liability in the first half though did improve second. Just can't find myself warming to him, he's so slow and casual and a clear weak link in my opinion.Braziliance said:Got to add as well, I genuinely think we won because Nsiala came off. He was very good for them today. Leaburn was having a right hard time against him, and it's extremely rare a centre back gets the better of Chuks. Today Nsiala did.
As soon as he came off I said to Fred our chances of scoring have gone up drastically.
He was class in that 2017/18 season for Shrewsbury. Fair play to him for turning back the clock (similar to Omar Beckles for Orient)
Credit to Gillesphey as well. Quietly becoming a bit of a consistent player for us. Nothing special but doesn't do too much wrong.
Lloyd Jones and Thierry the stand outs, Thierry with the nod for the goal.
Was also really impressed by Edwards again. Some diabolical crossing, but his engine is fantastic, and he's a very reliable player. Best left back since Wiggins for me.14 -
I agree it's much better to leave one man up at opposing corners - otherwise, it often gives the opponents a second chance to put the ball back into our box. Even Shrewsbury left a man on the halfway line, which meant Edwards and one other had to stay back.Scoham said:
Had the same conversation with my dad when we were watching the stream yesterday. You’d think opponents would leave a couple more players back if TC stayed high up the pitch when defending set pieces. Gives the chance for a counter attack and surely we wouldn’t be losing much defensively.aliwibble said:
Yep, it's one of my Dad's enduring rants that we don't leave someone up near the halfway line when defending a corner. Personally I'd volunteer Tyreece for the job, as he's not especially defensively minded, doesn't have the height of Miles or Chuks, and his pace is going to scare the bejaysus out of the opposition, so even if it doesn't lead to a goal-scoring chance, it might mean they end up having to foul him to stop him and risk getting sent off. Plus it helps take the pressure off us defensively - I remember last season where there was one game (think it might've been Oxford at home?) where we'd been under sustained pressure at the back for a while, and Dobbo got the ball to Tyreece, who went charging down the wing with 3 or 4 opposition players after him. It didn't come to anything in the end, but meant the defence got a breather for a few minutes.golfaddick said:
Also, if you leave a player on or near the half way line the opposition have to keep a player or two back to mark him.Addick Addict said:We deserved to win but it could easily have been one of those matches where we might have been ahead in every department of the game apart from goals.
One thing (and I mentioned it on the match thread) I really do not understand for the life of me. We are at home. We are struggling to break down the opposition who have a corner. We have all 11 defending and we clear the ball to no one on the half way line. With our pace that really is one situation where there are massive gaps to exploit but, instead, we are inviting the opposition to send the ball straight back into our box and put us under more pressure. Until we clear it again that is.
Basic football.
Most of our managers in recent years have defended with the whole team, so there must be something in it that means it’s seen as the way to go.1 -
Great to see the whole squad celebrate the goal and there looks to be a real togetherness. TC is a real threat for us and was unlucky not to score or get an assist from his run into the box first half. We could have undeservedly lost that 2 mins before winning it and the 3 points are massive if we are to keep in the play.offs hunt.
As an aside I thought their keeper and No 5 looked good players3 -
"Ramsey is like a new signing"
Curtis speaks so well.
Very impressive individual.
Grounded, intelligent, positive.
I'm sure he is a key reason for the upturn in our season, along with the return of injured key players.
Play offs here we come*
*results may go down as well as up. Usual terms and conditions apply. Dependent on a win on Tuesday.1 -
I thought we looked a bit leggy yesterday. It was frustrating in the first half, as hardly anything was played towards Small and he didn't have an opportunity to run at them. This seemed to change after the break, and although his final ball was sometimes lacking, he was starting to cause them problems. As others have said, Berry was a spectator all game and dizzy Gillesphey gave us heart palpitations every time the ball came to him. I'm still at a loss as to how their fella missed that chance towards the end, but so grateful he did. Regarding the ref, although not great, I actually thought he was one of the better one's we've seen all season (low bar, I know). As much as I dislike the term, that late goal was a proper "limbs" moment.0
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I was surprised when Docherty was subbed, as he had been playing well and making some good runs forward into the box.
After Docherty and Berry were subbed we looked a bit disjointed, with Coventry and Anderson being too deep and Godden playing alongside Chuks, there was a massive gap in the middle of the pitch, resulting in a lot of long ball.4 -
It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice!fenaddick said:
There's a big difference between shaking a few hands on your way to the referee and hanging around to watch celebrations and then make sure you shake everyone's hand. It's unusual and a nice thing, nice things are becoming less frequent in football so I think it's worth pointing outPragueAddick said:I don't know why Ainsworth shaking hands with ours is seen as something worth remarking on. It seems standard to me. Watching on the stream I always see NJ shaking hands with oppo players. I think it's just that Ainsworth cuts a figure with his slow moving gait and daft wild hair, and/or we're still recovering from laughing at Evatt and Lloyd Jones.1 - Sponsored links:
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AFKABartram said:
I genuinely think players are being positively encouraged (and possibly trained) to do this now, sadly.DA9 said:
I thought Chuks was looking for fouls everytime, went down very easily yesterdayEastTerrace said:Shrews pressed and defended well (until the final minutes).
We were slow, tired and pedestrian for most of the game. The ball needed to be played faster around them. Lacked creativity.
Leaburn looked like a passenger and Chuks caused mayhem but in reality was way off his best. Doc had a chance that would have been easier to score than miss.
Ahadme and Leaburn in recent games must spend more time going down than attempting to win/ fight/ hold the ball - the Danny Hylton shithouse coach experiment is the reason.
As said chuks too at times, but he has the benefit of actually being able to play the role anyway so his are offset.0 -
Hate seeing him at the Valley tbh...Silly twat that he is!AFKABartram said:John Marquis must hate playing The Valley5 -
whilst it is the manager who usually does post match Curtis is a more natural communicator.Be nice to see more of him post matchMrWalker said:"Ramsey is like a new signing"
Curtis speaks so well.
Very impressive individual.
Grounded, intelligent, positive.
I'm sure he is a key reason for the upturn in our season, along with the return of injured key players.
Play offs here we come*
*results may go down as well as up. Usual terms and conditions apply. Dependent on a win on Tuesday.3 -
Excellent result! What's a better feeling, tonking a team 5-0 or a last gasp winner!
We were comfortable in possession throughout without looking spectacular, some nice build up but lacking in that real decisive edge.
Leaburn, one saved headed effort aside was largely ineffective, some people don't like to hear it but it's true, much like Ahadme before him the hold up man role doesn't really suit or needs a lot more work.
The new leuth hate figure of Berry can keep on being a wage thief and causing the resident edge lord rage fits if we continue to pick up points, which we have done with him starting in the new formation and play style, I'd suggest there's a touch of unseen hero stuff going on, always seems to pop up somewhere and do something without really being influential throughout, could we upgrade? Yes, and it would be a priority as someone who can really put a stamp in the game and link the midfield and attack would push us right on.
It was far from a polished performance as a team and from individuals, but meh, wins a win keeps the "last 5/10/15 played" stats looking nice and healthy, the confidence up, the points coming in and the dream alive.
Special mention to Small absolutely deserved that, he's looked something else since coming in at rwb loves the crowd and always trying to get the fans going, speaks well too. Long may it continue (with us!)2 -
Best team won and the only team trying to win won.
Can't blame Salop for trying to shut up shop away from home but it was poor to watch. Shrews first shot was on 71 minutes.
We huffed and puffed and did create a few chances. Berry's free kick and Leaburn's header drew good save from their impressive keeper. Suggested we sign him until it was pointed out he's a domestic abuser. No thanks.
Campbell was our most effective attacker and was unlucky to see a mazy run end with his shot cleared off the line. Again, he is proving his many doubters wrong. Maybe comments about Anderson in particular but our young players in general need to be in the context of the improvement seen, given time and minutes, in TC.
Docherty, who was the most effective of the midfield trio, had a good chance to score he should have done better with. Thought it was a mistake to take him off but in the end justice was done but only after they had the best chance of the game in injury time.
Nothing worse than a last minute defeat and nothing better than a last minute win.
Bizarre that the ref decided to book AMB for timewasting in the last 30 seconds having let the away side get away with in all match.
Said after Bolton that we needed to follow that up with two home wins. Half way there.9 -
Especially as it wasn't him doing the timewasting! I was worried that Lloyd Jones had picked up a second yellow then.Henry Irving said:
Bizarre that the ref decided to book AMB for timewasting in the last 30 seconds having let the away side get away with in all match.2 -
This was a good win,teams who have no ambition other than a point are always difficult to break down,and we did it at the best possible moment.
Why does Gillesphey always start off so badly and then after 15-20 minutes becomes a very good player.
Midfield is a worry,Coventry gets plenty of the ball but spends too much time alongside the central defenders,and always looks back instead of forwards.Berry good on the ball but cant find the space he needs.Anderson is improving his ball skills and I think deserves a start.Leaburn looks knackered,and is so easily ,for a big man,knocked off the ball,Campbell was stronger than him and held the ball up well.We are having a decent run ,albeight not pretty to watch,but slowly we are climbing the table,other teams will have their blips and we must be ready to pounce.2 -
Anderson has done very well lately but I think it helps him coming on as a sub at the moment. I think some people have got it in for Berry and he is doing a decent enough job if not a spectacular one.8
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I think he's OK and has had some good moments. But for a player that has just come out of the premier league, I think he'll be fairly disappointed with his return/form this season. I certainly don't think he'd describe it as spectacular.MuttleyCAFC said:Anderson has done very well lately but I think it helps him coming on as a sub at the moment. I think some people have got it in for Berry and he is doing a decent enough job if not a spectacular one.1 -
No, but he is doing a job at the moment.0
