I also still have faith in Alex Mitchell if he gets his chance, think he is slightly underrated on here.
We will be up against it most games in the Champ, especially away, and he is very sound defensively. We will need pure defenders in certain games (Sheff United, Norwich, Southampton away etc) can forget about all that playing sexy football malarkey.
Mitchell’s pace - or lack of - is one concern
Secondlyhis passing is poor
and he’s not brilliant in the air despite his size
It may be that league one is his level. I suspect a pacy striker from the championship will make him look very silly. I hope I’m wrong because I like him as a guy, but I just think he is too limited for championship football
He is no quicker or slower than any of our centre backs of any significance, I am not counting Ramsay as he is a full back by trade and more of an athletic profile.
His passing is almost the same as any other defenders at Charlton, marginal differences, particularly Macca and Jones. It's actually becoming a bit of a myth that he can't pass, and I think people are saying it because that is what they hear other people say.
Finally you don't need pace when you are sitting deep at Sheffield United, Leicester, Norwich, etc, you need tough defenders who won't get bullied. He will be a good back up option and with him being young, has time to improve.
I'll add our defenders passing metrics in a spoiler just so you can see how close it is, but his bad passing is genuinely well over talked/mentioned. Similar passing stats to most centre backs who aren't renowned for 'ball playing ability'.
Anyway it is the rumours thread, point was with our limited funds, I am not too bothered about central defenders.
The wide forwards that play in the championship coming up against Alex Mitchell 1v1 is a scary prospect. He isn’t quick or agile enough to play in the championship as a wide centre back. He is better suited to the middle but he’s not dominant enough because he’s not as big as you probably need to be for middle of a back 3. Millwall came to the same conclusion that he wasn’t a championship player, he’s a solid league 1 defender and nothing more. Was barely getting a game for us in league 1 and I’d be surprised if he is still here in September
Also those passing stats don’t really show much. For example Gillesphey is asked to play a lot of long passes with higher risk so will lose the ball more. He isn’t anywhere near as capable with the ball as Jones and in particular Gillesphey are, that’s obvious to anyone that’s watched them play. He doesn’t make progressive passes like Jones and Gillesphey can, can’t bring the ball into midfield. He’s very limited with the ball, that doesn’t mean he loses it loads (though there’s definitely a few examples where he has and it’s cost us) but he’s doesn’t do much with it compared to all our other options
We can't compare ourselves to Millwall. That will be a bitter pill to swallow for some, but remove the rivalry and they are on a different level to us on a skill level. Consistent top half championship side since 2019. Lowest finish 13th in six seasons. What isn't good enough for Millwall, isn't necessarily not good enough for us.
We are in the same league now, but in terms of squad quality we are far apart imho.
The passing stats showed a similar amount of longballs to Lloyd and similar succession rates. The glaring difference is Lloyd is just a better defender/player.
All of these comments about his pace, range of passing etc are wide of the mark imo. He is a no nonsense centre back, we wouldn't have a defender in his early 20s who was quick, could pass and could defend as he would be gone fairly quickly. I don't understand your comment either about "Obvious to anyone that watched him play". 1 of the 134 son, watched him play plenty. I am not saying he is as calm as Jones on the ball, or as technical as Gillesphey, I am saying he is nowhere near as bad as to be made out to be, and now has an undeserved stigma around him.
The reality is, he may end up out on loan as I can't see him wanting to sit on the bench for a significant amount of time again, but he has time on his side and with his stature and attitude there is potential there. If he is a back up option in the Champ where we will need pure defenders, that might be fine. Budget better spent elsewhere.
Wasn’t a dig at you not watching him (I am also one of the 134 so seen more than enough). Was more that those stats really don’t mean anything when judging how good a player is with the ball at their feet, and actually watching live will tell you a lot more than those stats. Passing accuracy percentages are pretty useless as a measure for how good someone is with the ball at their feet. They just show that they don’t give the ball away much but that is really the bare minimum expectation. Progressive passes and carries would be a much better measure but not a widely available stat for fans at league 1 level
And the general consensus from many that have watched plenty is that he’s poor on the ball, and that includes Nathan Jones - he obviously wasn’t picking McIntyre there over Mitchell because of their defending, it was all about McIntyre being better on the ball that gave him the nod when Jones was out.
Millwall are a different level to us at the moment, but I didn’t see many lower championship teams queuing up to sign him after his good loan at Lincoln. He will go on loan to mid-table league 1 I think, even teams at the top of that division will want better
Stopped reading after you said you are 1 of the 134
As much as Mitchell’s lack of pace/agility for a wide centre back role would be a huge concern, the same is true of Gillesphey. There are some seriously good wide attackers in the championship, I think Gillesphey can step up but there will be some games and opponents he will struggle with so we need someone quicker and better 1v1 as an alternative.
Famewo is exactly that, quicker and much better defending 1v1. He’s not as good in the air or on the ball as Gillesphey is, but if we can keep him fit that’s a really good alternative option as he has different strengths
I still think the left sided defender we will end up signing is Amari Bell. Would cover both Gillesphey and Edwards roles and easily good enough to push them both for a starting role
No post from the CAFC Twitter account in over 17 hours … preparing for a signing announcement?? Usually the case if spending the morning getting the photos etc.
No post from the CAFC Twitter account in over 17 hours … preparing for a signing announcement?? Usually the case if spending the morning getting the photos etc.
I don’t think we will see any today, reckon it’ll be on Monday when free agents are available. Although saying that We announced that Carey will be signing when his contract expires so who knows
No post from the CAFC Twitter account in over 17 hours … preparing for a signing announcement?? Usually the case if spending the morning getting the photos etc.
I also still have faith in Alex Mitchell if he gets his chance, think he is slightly underrated on here.
We will be up against it most games in the Champ, especially away, and he is very sound defensively. We will need pure defenders in certain games (Sheff United, Norwich, Southampton away etc) can forget about all that playing sexy football malarkey.
Mitchell’s pace - or lack of - is one concern
Secondlyhis passing is poor
and he’s not brilliant in the air despite his size
It may be that league one is his level. I suspect a pacy striker from the championship will make him look very silly. I hope I’m wrong because I like him as a guy, but I just think he is too limited for championship football
He is no quicker or slower than any of our centre backs of any significance, I am not counting Ramsay as he is a full back by trade and more of an athletic profile.
His passing is almost the same as any other defenders at Charlton, marginal differences, particularly Macca and Jones. It's actually becoming a bit of a myth that he can't pass, and I think people are saying it because that is what they hear other people say.
Finally you don't need pace when you are sitting deep at Sheffield United, Leicester, Norwich, etc, you need tough defenders who won't get bullied. He will be a good back up option and with him being young, has time to improve.
I'll add our defenders passing metrics in a spoiler just so you can see how close it is, but his bad passing is genuinely well over talked/mentioned. Similar passing stats to most centre backs who aren't renowned for 'ball playing ability'.
Anyway it is the rumours thread, point was with our limited funds, I am not too bothered about central defenders.
The wide forwards that play in the championship coming up against Alex Mitchell 1v1 is a scary prospect. He isn’t quick or agile enough to play in the championship as a wide centre back. He is better suited to the middle but he’s not dominant enough because he’s not as big as you probably need to be for middle of a back 3. Millwall came to the same conclusion that he wasn’t a championship player, he’s a solid league 1 defender and nothing more. Was barely getting a game for us in league 1 and I’d be surprised if he is still here in September
Also those passing stats don’t really show much. For example Gillesphey is asked to play a lot of long passes with higher risk so will lose the ball more. He isn’t anywhere near as capable with the ball as Jones and in particular Gillesphey are, that’s obvious to anyone that’s watched them play. He doesn’t make progressive passes like Jones and Gillesphey can, can’t bring the ball into midfield. He’s very limited with the ball, that doesn’t mean he loses it loads (though there’s definitely a few examples where he has and it’s cost us) but he’s doesn’t do much with it compared to all our other options
We can't compare ourselves to Millwall. That will be a bitter pill to swallow for some, but remove the rivalry and they are on a different level to us on a skill level. Consistent top half championship side since 2019. Lowest finish 13th in six seasons. What isn't good enough for Millwall, isn't necessarily not good enough for us.
We are in the same league now, but in terms of squad quality we are far apart imho.
The passing stats showed a similar amount of longballs to Lloyd and similar succession rates. The glaring difference is Lloyd is just a better defender/player.
All of these comments about his pace, range of passing etc are wide of the mark imo. He is a no nonsense centre back, we wouldn't have a defender in his early 20s who was quick, could pass and could defend as he would be gone fairly quickly. I don't understand your comment either about "Obvious to anyone that watched him play". 1 of the 134 son, watched him play plenty. I am not saying he is as calm as Jones on the ball, or as technical as Gillesphey, I am saying he is nowhere near as bad as to be made out to be, and now has an undeserved stigma around him.
The reality is, he may end up out on loan as I can't see him wanting to sit on the bench for a significant amount of time again, but he has time on his side and with his stature and attitude there is potential there. If he is a back up option in the Champ where we will need pure defenders, that might be fine. Budget better spent elsewhere.
It’s going to be a long tough season where we will need every member of the squad to play their part. Central defenders get their fair share of bookings and sending offs so to even contemplate Gillesphey going out on loan is beyond ridiculous.
I also still have faith in Alex Mitchell if he gets his chance, think he is slightly underrated on here.
We will be up against it most games in the Champ, especially away, and he is very sound defensively. We will need pure defenders in certain games (Sheff United, Norwich, Southampton away etc) can forget about all that playing sexy football malarkey.
Mitchell’s pace - or lack of - is one concern
Secondlyhis passing is poor
and he’s not brilliant in the air despite his size
It may be that league one is his level. I suspect a pacy striker from the championship will make him look very silly. I hope I’m wrong because I like him as a guy, but I just think he is too limited for championship football
He is no quicker or slower than any of our centre backs of any significance, I am not counting Ramsay as he is a full back by trade and more of an athletic profile.
His passing is almost the same as any other defenders at Charlton, marginal differences, particularly Macca and Jones. It's actually becoming a bit of a myth that he can't pass, and I think people are saying it because that is what they hear other people say.
Finally you don't need pace when you are sitting deep at Sheffield United, Leicester, Norwich, etc, you need tough defenders who won't get bullied. He will be a good back up option and with him being young, has time to improve.
I'll add our defenders passing metrics in a spoiler just so you can see how close it is, but his bad passing is genuinely well over talked/mentioned. Similar passing stats to most centre backs who aren't renowned for 'ball playing ability'.
Anyway it is the rumours thread, point was with our limited funds, I am not too bothered about central defenders.
The wide forwards that play in the championship coming up against Alex Mitchell 1v1 is a scary prospect. He isn’t quick or agile enough to play in the championship as a wide centre back. He is better suited to the middle but he’s not dominant enough because he’s not as big as you probably need to be for middle of a back 3. Millwall came to the same conclusion that he wasn’t a championship player, he’s a solid league 1 defender and nothing more. Was barely getting a game for us in league 1 and I’d be surprised if he is still here in September
Also those passing stats don’t really show much. For example Gillesphey is asked to play a lot of long passes with higher risk so will lose the ball more. He isn’t anywhere near as capable with the ball as Jones and in particular Gillesphey are, that’s obvious to anyone that’s watched them play. He doesn’t make progressive passes like Jones and Gillesphey can, can’t bring the ball into midfield. He’s very limited with the ball, that doesn’t mean he loses it loads (though there’s definitely a few examples where he has and it’s cost us) but he’s doesn’t do much with it compared to all our other options
We can't compare ourselves to Millwall. That will be a bitter pill to swallow for some, but remove the rivalry and they are on a different level to us on a skill level. Consistent top half championship side since 2019. Lowest finish 13th in six seasons. What isn't good enough for Millwall, isn't necessarily not good enough for us.
We are in the same league now, but in terms of squad quality we are far apart imho.
The passing stats showed a similar amount of longballs to Lloyd and similar succession rates. The glaring difference is Lloyd is just a better defender/player.
All of these comments about his pace, range of passing etc are wide of the mark imo. He is a no nonsense centre back, we wouldn't have a defender in his early 20s who was quick, could pass and could defend as he would be gone fairly quickly. I don't understand your comment either about "Obvious to anyone that watched him play". 1 of the 134 son, watched him play plenty. I am not saying he is as calm as Jones on the ball, or as technical as Gillesphey, I am saying he is nowhere near as bad as to be made out to be, and now has an undeserved stigma around him.
The reality is, he may end up out on loan as I can't see him wanting to sit on the bench for a significant amount of time again, but he has time on his side and with his stature and attitude there is potential there. If he is a back up option in the Champ where we will need pure defenders, that might be fine. Budget better spent elsewhere.
It’s going to be a long tough season where we will need every member of the squad to play their part. Central defenders get their fair share of bookings and sending offs so to even contemplate Gillesphey going out on loan is beyond ridiculous.
I didn't say Gillesphey would go out on loan. I meant Mitchell may as lack of playtime is why he left Millwall.
I still think the left sided defender we will end up signing is Amari Bell. Would cover both Gillesphey and Edwards roles and easily good enough to push them both for a starting role
Ex Luton, and a Jamaican international. He'll never fit in
Amari Bell would suit what we need very well. Almost makes too much sense as a championship experienced ex Luton player and current Jamaican international.
I also still have faith in Alex Mitchell if he gets his chance, think he is slightly underrated on here.
We will be up against it most games in the Champ, especially away, and he is very sound defensively. We will need pure defenders in certain games (Sheff United, Norwich, Southampton away etc) can forget about all that playing sexy football malarkey.
Was quite clearly the weakest link when he had to step in towards the end of the season. A defence that had gone so long without making clangers suddenly had someone in there making stupid mistakes. If he wasn't good in league one, I don't think a summer will improve him enough for three championship.
I know it was only one game but Mitchell had a shocker against Preston and looked like he was running through treacle. He could have put in loads of work over the summer, improved his reactions and a bit of pace for all we know but at the moment it’s a no from me. He isn’t as quick as Jones and Gillesphey and he isn’t as positional sound as either of them, which makes up for them not being lightning quick either
Even when we first signed him there was a clip of pre season training game & somebody just pushed the ball past him & I was quite shocked at how slow he was turning, his opponent had disappeared. Just one instance I know, he could of been off balance etc but he doesn't look championship level at all to me (not that I've seen a lot of him).
I also still have faith in Alex Mitchell if he gets his chance, think he is slightly underrated on here.
We will be up against it most games in the Champ, especially away, and he is very sound defensively. We will need pure defenders in certain games (Sheff United, Norwich, Southampton away etc) can forget about all that playing sexy football malarkey.
Was quite clearly the weakest link when he had to step in towards the end of the season. A defence that had gone so long without making clangers suddenly had someone in there making stupid mistakes. If he wasn't good in league one, I don't think a summer will improve him enough for three championship.
It’s very difficult to come into a settled defence with limited game time and not look like the weakest link. Before he was out of the team I personally didn’t think he did much wrong at that point to be dropped.
He was just unfortunate to have a Royals Royce of a player ahead of him in his position. Just because he’s not as good as him, does not mean he’s not good enough for the championship.
Ultimately I don’t know, but if Jones keeps him around then that’s good enough for me.
I don't remember Mitchell being criticised like this when he was playing. Thought he was very good in the first half of the season. Wonder if he is actually just suffering from the comparison with Ramsey.
I don't remember Mitchell being criticised like this when he was playing. Thought he was very good in the first half of the season. Wonder if he is actually just suffering from the comparison with Ramsey.
Possibly but then Ramsay is one of the few players who we can confidently say will probably be ok in the Championship. The context is different, when Mitchell was playing we were a L1 team whose previous defence had Michael Hector and Terrell Thomas in. Now we're a Championship team and 2 of the stars of our team happen to be in the 2 positions he plays.
Not a rumour about us but Dan Agyei has left Orient. Supposedly wants to play for Ghana who have a policy of only considering players in the top two English divisions (and top division elsewhere). He's quick and skillful but would probably need to improve in the final third
Not a rumour about us but Dan Agyei has left Orient. Supposedly wants to play for Ghana who have a policy of only considering players in the top two English divisions (and top division elsewhere). He's quick and skillful but would probably need to improve in the final third
Not a rumour about us but Dan Agyei has left Orient. Supposedly wants to play for Ghana who have a policy of only considering players in the top two English divisions (and top division elsewhere). He's quick and skillful but would probably need to improve in the final third
Edit: looks like he might be off to Turkey
Signed for Kocaelispor. Interesting announcement.
Just when you thought it was safe to start a rumour
Alex Mitchell will also have Zach Mitchell in front of him as well
Be surprised... If we base the Defence as per last year I'd say Zach was backup to Kayne, and Alex was backup to Lloyd.
I still wouldn't be that surprised if the right offer came along if Zach went on loan again. Think it will be depending on how we sort the RWB/RCB role.
Multiple teams in the Scottish prem would love to have Zach and the top sides in that league are championship quality most coaches who have seen him think he will go far. He also has learnt from his big brother at Millwall i think he will be the dark horse who comes through this season
Alex Mitchell will also have Zach Mitchell in front of him as well
Be surprised... If we base the Defence as per last year I'd say Zach was backup to Kayne, and Alex was backup to Lloyd.
I still wouldn't be that surprised if the right offer came along if Zach went on loan again. Think it will be depending on how we sort the RWB/RCB role.
I wouldn't be surprised either (this is entirely dependent on Pre-Season performances) if Ramsay goes back to RWB and Zach Mitchell plays himself into the starting eleven for the match against Watford - He's got to be thrown in one day.
At the very least I hope we keep him around for the Stevenage match.
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Famewo is exactly that, quicker and much better defending 1v1. He’s not as good in the air or on the ball as Gillesphey is, but if we can keep him fit that’s a really good alternative option as he has different strengths
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He was just unfortunate to have a Royals Royce of a player ahead of him in his position. Just because he’s not as good as him, does not mean he’s not good enough for the championship.
Ultimately I don’t know, but if Jones keeps him around then that’s good enough for me.
Edit: looks like he might be off to Turkey
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most coaches who have seen him think he will go far. He also has learnt from his big brother at Millwall
i think he will be the dark horse who comes through this season
At the very least I hope we keep him around for the Stevenage match.