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Russian Fans Attack Euro 2012 Stewards

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  • daveaddick
    daveaddick Posts: 1,926
    Awful scenes but I suspect that the majority of Russian fans are pretty much like the majority of fans everywhere i.e. they don't want anything to do with this kind of behaviour but what else can you do but charge the relevant football federation if the individuals involved cannot be identified? Not sure what the answer is but increase police presence at the matches.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,648
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  • BIG_ROB
    BIG_ROB Posts: 5,274
    Been told the Poles and Russians are rolling round now. Russians ambushed while celebrating their national day in Warsaw.
  • SE10
    SE10 Posts: 2,169
    Yeah, They had a big march planned to the ground!
  • BIG_ROB
    BIG_ROB Posts: 5,274
    Rubber bullets, the lot.
  • Folev the red
    Folev the red Posts: 2,087
    ITV have produced a detailed report on the violence today.

    http://www.itv.com/news/update/2012-06-12/fighting-in-central-warsaw/
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,725
    ITV have produced a detailed report on the violence today.

    http://www.itv.com/news/update/2012-06-12/fighting-in-central-warsaw/
    i cant be arsed to go through all that.
  • BIG_ROB
    BIG_ROB Posts: 5,274
    ITV have produced a detailed report on the violence today.

    http://www.itv.com/news/update/2012-06-12/fighting-in-central-warsaw/
    i cant be arsed to go through all that.
    The time it took you to post that, you could've read it. ; )
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,355
    edited June 2012
    The Russians and Ukranians have been at war for centuries. The Ukranians have good reason to despise and hate the Russians. For example, Stalin's insistence on Soviet collective farming, totaly at odds with Ukranian wishes, reportedly resulted in the death of 3,000,000 Ukranians during the 1930s. As I have said elsewhere on here, it's no wonder that Ukrainians can be hostile towards Russians, indeed towards all foreigners. No-one died during these minor punch ups and it seems that no weapons were used. Compare and contrast with Glaswegians in London every 2 years during the 'Home Championships' and more recently in Manchester after a Euro cup final. Culloden and all that.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,045
    The Russians and Ukranians have been at war for centuries. The Ukranians have good reason to despise and hate the Russians. For example, Stalin's insistence on Soviet collective farming, totaly at odds with Ukranian wishes, reportedly resulted in the death of 3,000,000 Ukranians during the 1930s. As I have said elsewhere on here, it's no wonder that Ukrainians can be hostile towards Russians, indeed towards all foreigners. No-one died during these minor punch ups and it seems that no weapons were used. Compare and contrast with Glaswegians in London every 2 years during the 'Home Championships' and more recently in Manchester after a Euro cup final. Culloden and all that.
    This is all happening in Poland, and the Poles have their own historic reasons for disliking the Russians.

    Not sure about your reference to Manchester, I'm not sure that had anything at all do do with historical conflicts between England and Scotland ?
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  • southamptonaddick
    southamptonaddick Posts: 4,055
    edited June 2012
    The Russians and Ukranians have been at war for centuries. The Ukranians have good reason to despise and hate the Russians. For example, Stalin's insistence on Soviet collective farming, totaly at odds with Ukranian wishes, reportedly resulted in the death of 3,000,000 Ukranians during the 1930s. As I have said elsewhere on here, it's no wonder that Ukrainians can be hostile towards Russians, indeed towards all foreigners. No-one died during these minor punch ups and it seems that no weapons were used. Compare and contrast with Glaswegians in London every 2 years during the 'Home Championships' and more recently in Manchester after a Euro cup final. Culloden and all that.
    If you want to make a comparison I don't think comparing a dispute where 3million die to a punch-up between drunken Scots and English is the right one.

  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,829
    Following our old mate Dan Roan, seems like the police have been firing blanks to keep the Poles back
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,045
    The Russians and Ukranians have been at war for centuries. The Ukranians have good reason to despise and hate the Russians. For example, Stalin's insistence on Soviet collective farming, totaly at odds with Ukranian wishes, reportedly resulted in the death of 3,000,000 Ukranians during the 1930s. As I have said elsewhere on here, it's no wonder that Ukrainians can be hostile towards Russians, indeed towards all foreigners. No-one died during these minor punch ups and it seems that no weapons were used. Compare and contrast with Glaswegians in London every 2 years during the 'Home Championships' and more recently in Manchester after a Euro cup final. Culloden and all that.
    If you want to make a comparison I don't think comparing a dispute where 3million die to a punch-up between drunken Scots and English.

    I think the point was that historical events can influence behaviours in contemporary situations, particuarly at football matches which are overtly and subconsciously tribal. The point was that clashes between English and Scottish fans at games in the 80's was due to lingering animosity between both groups due to the history of conflict , now hundreds of years old, between the two countries.
  • southamptonaddick
    southamptonaddick Posts: 4,055
    The Russians and Ukranians have been at war for centuries. The Ukranians have good reason to despise and hate the Russians. For example, Stalin's insistence on Soviet collective farming, totaly at odds with Ukranian wishes, reportedly resulted in the death of 3,000,000 Ukranians during the 1930s. As I have said elsewhere on here, it's no wonder that Ukrainians can be hostile towards Russians, indeed towards all foreigners. No-one died during these minor punch ups and it seems that no weapons were used. Compare and contrast with Glaswegians in London every 2 years during the 'Home Championships' and more recently in Manchester after a Euro cup final. Culloden and all that.
    If you want to make a comparison I don't think comparing a dispute where 3million die to a punch-up between drunken Scots and English.

    I think the point was that historical events can influence behaviours in contemporary situations, particuarly at football matches which are overtly and subconsciously tribal. The point was that clashes between English and Scottish fans at games in the 80's was due to lingering animosity between both groups due to the history of conflict , now hundreds of years old, between the two countries.
    No I think you'll find they were both pissed up and wanted a row!
  • EastStand
    EastStand Posts: 4,109
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    Hahaha! Are those Irish lads? Thats brilliant.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,045
    The Russians and Ukranians have been at war for centuries. The Ukranians have good reason to despise and hate the Russians. For example, Stalin's insistence on Soviet collective farming, totaly at odds with Ukranian wishes, reportedly resulted in the death of 3,000,000 Ukranians during the 1930s. As I have said elsewhere on here, it's no wonder that Ukrainians can be hostile towards Russians, indeed towards all foreigners. No-one died during these minor punch ups and it seems that no weapons were used. Compare and contrast with Glaswegians in London every 2 years during the 'Home Championships' and more recently in Manchester after a Euro cup final. Culloden and all that.
    If you want to make a comparison I don't think comparing a dispute where 3million die to a punch-up between drunken Scots and English.

    I think the point was that historical events can influence behaviours in contemporary situations, particuarly at football matches which are overtly and subconsciously tribal. The point was that clashes between English and Scottish fans at games in the 80's was due to lingering animosity between both groups due to the history of conflict , now hundreds of years old, between the two countries.
    No I think you'll find they were both pissed up and wanted a row!
    Haha, you're probably right !!
  • 000__Jaaaaay__000
    000__Jaaaaay__000 Posts: 2,342
    Unconfirmed reports of someone killed....
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,045
    http://inagist.com/all/212594611875618817/?utm_source=inagist&utm_medium=rss - really hope this isn't true
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,829
    Seen a video with some real cowardly attacks. Big meatheads rushing up and smashing people in colours round the temple from behind. Very brave.

    Why does football hooliganism seem to globally attract so many violent cowards ?
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,013
    It's all disgusting of course, but The Russians march was ridiculous. Imagine 5,000 English marching there to celebrate St George's Day. Only one possible outcome !
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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,231
    Seen a video with some real cowardly attacks. Big meatheads rushing up and smashing people in colours round the temple from behind. Very brave.

    Why does football hooliganism seem to globally attract so many violent cowards ?
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    no, no, AKFA you mustn't use terms like cowards or violent. That makes it sound pathetic rather than sexy.

    The correct words to use as "a bit tasty", "Pavement dancing" "calling it on", " a bit lively"

    and no one is ever smashed from behind. They were "asking for it" and so "got a slap".

    : - (

  • BIG-ROB
    BIG-ROB Posts: 30
    Seen a video with some real cowardly attacks. Big meatheads rushing up and smashing people in colours round the temple from behind. Very brave.

    Why does football hooliganism seem to globally attract so many violent cowards ?
    This is it though, there's an unwritten rule that ‘scarfers’ are never attacked, it should only be between like-minded blokes. The fact that the Russians were allowed to hold their march made them, in the Poles eyes, legitimate targets. The clip I think you’re talking about AFKA were Poles attacking the march. This goes a lot deeper than a ruckus over football...
  • RodneyCharltonTrotta
    RodneyCharltonTrotta Posts: 14,828
    It's all disgusting of course, but The Russians march was ridiculous. Imagine 5,000 English marching there to celebrate St George's Day. Only one possible outcome !
    Our political history with Poland is favourable. Russia's is certainly not and they're dickheads for marching.

    England fans would be criticised for marching through Dublin on St Georges day and whilst the details and politics is different its quite a similar analogy.

    Lots of ill feeling between Poles and Russians and surprised that anyone's surprised it kicked off.
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,483
    There is so much bad blood between Russia and Poland going back a long long way...allowing the march through Warsaw was simply asking for trouble.
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,235
    2018 is going to be so much fun.
  • dizzee
    dizzee Posts: 5,616
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSxMjKt34Fk
  • dizzee
    dizzee Posts: 5,616
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufXXPltC2fw&feature=related
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    the pole in that last video hits someone then gets laid out by what looks like old bill 1 punch sparko
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    very hard to see from the tv and the videos online as to wether the poles attack because of the russia national day march or because they have been attacked but it certainly looks like a indiscrimanant beating from fans of both sides just laying into people wearing opposition colours
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    go on youtube and search

    hooligans- all the riots at euro 2012 updated regularly


    there must have been 50 incidents of violence some quite large that has not been reported over here inclding some where you can see Irish fans caught in the middle of it, but it is out of control i have never seen this many incidents in the first week of any tornament

    it is mental out there big time

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