i follow football in general for along time and started following charlton and this forums as a reader since RD took over the club.
As for Bob Peeters, i am a fan of Lierse SK, a team from the town bob peeters was born and were he started and finished his career as a player. I'm reading the same kind of posts that i have been reading when Jose Riga was appointed as a manager afetr chris powell was sacked.
Just as Jose Riga, Bob Peeters is a very intelligent guy; RD seems to like to work with intelligent people.
After Bob Peeters became champions in the belgian Pro League with Lierse in 1997, he played 7 years in the Netherlands, after that he went to milwall. In his prime as a player (1997 -2003), he was also a Belgian International player. At Millwall and also his teams after that, he never reached his best level, because he had alot of injuries constantly.
After his career as a player, he worked mainly as a football analyst and commentator for Belgian TV.
As a coach he started as youth coach at AA Gent, one of the bigger teams in Belgium. He coached cercle brugge after that, a small team in belgium with a low budget and he did perform very very well with them, playing attractive football with limited players. After two years at cercle brugge, AA Gent called him to rplace their sacked manager. But the team in gent was so rotten that Bob couldn't turn stuff around, and he git sacked, but his successor coulnd't trun it around neither. So Gent used like 4 managers in one season, but basicly the managers weren't at fault but the club itself - also the players didn't egt along with eachother at Gent.
This year he took over waasland Beveren, when they were bound for relegation. Bob came in when they had 8 points out of 36 after 12 games and they were lagging way behind on a safe spot to avoid relegation. He wanted to try and turn the team into a totaaly different playing style (they were playing ultradefensive but still lost every game) , and the first month he only managed 1/12 (including three away matches against good teams) . But after that the team picked up what Bob was trying to teach them and they started winning, even against the big teams in the belgian pro league. After the team had 9/48 they only lost ONCE in the last 12 games (6W - 5D - 1L), getting 23/36 and saving themselves from relegation against all the odds.
Bob is really considered as one of the most promising young belgian managers around, and he was formed according to the "new belgian school of training" which focusses on fast combiantion play and ball possesion (belgium FA started doing this 10 years ago with ALL youth teams from all clubs, after they failed misarably in wc and ec qualification, and since adapting this methods, is producing tons of quality, technically skilled players lately).
NO WAY, Bob will be a "yes man" to RD, he is way to intelligent and proud for that. In fact RD is way to smart himself to have just people who lick his boots around him.
You will also find him very communicative, FUNNY (in a really good way, he has an excellent sense of humour in press interviews), intelligent and 110% committed. Bob is a great person and personality with the brains and football knowledge that is needed to succeed.
I don't know if Bob will produce the results all charlton fans want to see, but he is definately is capable of delivering. I hope he will do great at Charlton.
Is that you again Bertje.....?
For those wondering what I'm on about Bertje was a previous Belgium visitor whose praise for Karel Fraeye (and for RD's 'astuteness' in picking him) reads rather like that for Peeter's from our friend byl above:
For those wondering what I'm on about Bertje was a previous Belgium visitor whose praise for Karel Fraeye (and for RD's 'astuteness' in picking him) reads rather like that for Peeter's from our friend byl above:
you guys see ghosts everywhere lmao Charlton Athletic, the most paranoid fan base ever
Any thoughts on Karel Fraeye....?
Where is he by the way - curiously although he was with us since March - Fraeye is stll listed as 'Head Trainer' (Hoofdtrainer) at his old club KFC Eendracht Zele?:
Just as Jose Riga, Bob Peeters is a very intelligent guy; RD seems to like to work with intelligent people.
NO WAY, Bob will be a "yes man" to RD, he is way to intelligent and proud for that. In fact RD is way to smart himself to have just people who lick his boots around him.
I believe you are spot on here. RD is a smart businessman and has made a lot of money. It is rare that this works if you surround yourself with 'yes-men'. You need good people capable of making their own decisions. Everything I have heard about RD shows he is far from being a micro-manager. He empowers his staff so that they make the decisions themselves to a large extent.
For those wondering what I'm on about Bertje was a previous Belgium visitor whose praise for Karel Fraeye (and for RD's 'astuteness' in picking him) reads rather like that for Peeter's from our friend byl above:
you guys see ghosts everywhere lmao Charlton Athletic, the most paranoid fan base ever
Any thoughts on Karel Fraeye....?
Where is he by the way - curiously although he was with us since March - Fraeye is stll listed as 'Head Trainer' (Hoofdtrainer) at his old club KFC Eendracht Zele?:
For those wondering what I'm on about Bertje was a previous Belgium visitor whose praise for Karel Fraeye (and for RD's 'astuteness' in picking him) reads rather like that for Peeter's from our friend byl above:
you guys see ghosts everywhere lmao Charlton Athletic, the most paranoid fan base ever
Any thoughts on Karel Fraeye....?
Where is he by the way - curiously although he was with us since March - Fraeye is stll listed at 'Head Trainer' (Hoofdtrainer) at his old club KFC Eendracht Zele?:
and according to your compatriot Bertje he was going to be the next big thing....?
i can't comment on him. Eendracht Zele is an amatuer team in belgium who play in a regional division. It's another regio than the one i am in, I live close to Antwerp. I only learned to know Karel Fraeye when Riga took him as an assitant to Charlton, never heard from him before. But he is probabky ok for the job he needs to do and Riga obviously knew him. And if Riga knows and values him, that is usually a good sign; Riga is really considered here as a class guy who is also very intelligent - for a football mangaer, that is
For those wondering what I'm on about Bertje was a previous Belgium visitor whose praise for Karel Fraeye (and for RD's 'astuteness' in picking him) reads rather like that for Peeter's from our friend byl above:
i follow football in general for along time and started following charlton and this forums as a reader since RD took over the club.
As for Bob Peeters, i am a fan of Lierse SK, a team from the town bob peeters was born and were he started and finished his career as a player. I'm reading the same kind of posts that i have been reading when Jose Riga was appointed as a manager afetr chris powell was sacked.
Just as Jose Riga, Bob Peeters is a very intelligent guy; RD seems to like to work with intelligent people.
After Bob Peeters became champions in the belgian Pro League with Lierse in 1997, he played 7 years in the Netherlands, after that he went to milwall. In his prime as a player (1997 -2003), he was also a Belgian International player. At Millwall and also his teams after that, he never reached his best level, because he had alot of injuries constantly.
After his career as a player, he worked mainly as a football analyst and commentator for Belgian TV.
As a coach he started as youth coach at AA Gent, one of the bigger teams in Belgium. He coached cercle brugge after that, a small team in belgium with a low budget and he did perform very very well with them, playing attractive football with limited players. After two years at cercle brugge, AA Gent called him to rplace their sacked manager. But the team in gent was so rotten that Bob couldn't turn stuff around, and he git sacked, but his successor coulnd't trun it around neither. So Gent used like 4 managers in one season, but basicly the managers weren't at fault but the club itself - also the players didn't egt along with eachother at Gent.
This year he took over waasland Beveren, when they were bound for relegation. Bob came in when they had 8 points out of 36 after 12 games and they were lagging way behind on a safe spot to avoid relegation. He wanted to try and turn the team into a totaaly different playing style (they were playing ultradefensive but still lost every game) , and the first month he only managed 1/12 (including three away matches against good teams) . But after that the team picked up what Bob was trying to teach them and they started winning, even against the big teams in the belgian pro league. After the team had 9/48 they only lost ONCE in the last 12 games (6W - 5D - 1L), getting 23/36 and saving themselves from relegation against all the odds.
Bob is really considered as one of the most promising young belgian managers around, and he was formed according to the "new belgian school of training" which focusses on fast combiantion play and ball possesion (belgium FA started doing this 10 years ago with ALL youth teams from all clubs, after they failed misarably in wc and ec qualification, and since adapting this methods, is producing tons of quality, technically skilled players lately).
NO WAY, Bob will be a "yes man" to RD, he is way to intelligent and proud for that. In fact RD is way to smart himself to have just people who lick his boots around him.
You will also find him very communicative, FUNNY (in a really good way, he has an excellent sense of humour in press interviews), intelligent and 110% committed. Bob is a great person and personality with the brains and football knowledge that is needed to succeed.
I don't know if Bob will produce the results all charlton fans want to see, but he is definately is capable of delivering. I hope he will do great at Charlton.
Is that you again Bertje.....?
For those wondering what I'm on about Bertje was a previous Belgium visitor whose praise for Karel Fraeye (and for RD's 'astuteness' in picking him) reads rather like that for Peeter's from our friend byl above:
Mick , being a bit harsh on the guy. , can't afka tell where he's from ect or be able to tell if it's the same person . I personally don't believe it is.
Personally I find this all utterly depressing. I like being able to engage with the players and manager, to feel that they actually have at least some affinity with the club. Under Duchatelet, it feels like we are a nothing more than a temporary holding area or testing ground for players and coaches who are destined to end up somewhere else. Peeters might be rubbish, he might be great - either way, it's hard to imagine him still being here in a year and a half. As for the players, let's just say I wouldn't bother getting anyone's name printed on the back of your kid's overpriced new Charlton shirt.
Very well said, Mr Largo. Duchatelet is doing things on the cheap - again. Why doesn't he appoint a manager experienced at the higher levels of English football - Chris Hughton, just for example? Answer: Because a young manager from a minor club in Belgium is much cheaper on the salaries bill.
As soon as he took over, Duchatelet made it perfectly clear that he wasn't going to spend big money on transfer fees or players' wages. That was the first damning proof of his lack of ambition for this club. Sure, he is paying for a new pitch - because without that we wouldn't have a pitch to play on. And of course he wants to build up the academy - so that the few graduates who come good can soon be sold for a handsome profit.
Duchatelet is a fabulously wealthy man with a personal fortune of 420m Euros at the latest count - yet he won't spend any money. Look at his disgraceful penny-pinching over Yann Kermorgant - no wonder our decent second-tier players like Hamer, Morro and Dervite are looking elsewhere. Reaching the highest level requires ambition, courage, guts and gamble: we ought to be buying first-rate players and appointing an experienced manager, and rewarding them well.
The Valley is being turned into a holding pen, an exercise gym, a proving ground for marginal players from other clubs in the preposterous 'network'. As a London club with a big history, a decent ground and healthy support, we should be routinely challenging in the Championship play-offs at the very least. Duchatelet's rictus-tight financial prudence - dressed up as a sensible strategy to secure our survival - will see us shuffling about in the nether regions with Blackpool, Barnsley, Millwall and the rest for years to come.
Far from being an enterprising visionary, Duchatelet is nothing more than a cheeseparing administrator.
Another way to look at this is, we know for a fact that RD's strategy includes concentrating on youth development, that is investing in training facilities and coaches that are able to help good young players reach their potential and then sell them on when the time and the fee is right. That has already been reflected in his approach. Why would he not apply the same logic to his coaching staff? Appoint a younger guy that he believes can become a top coach, give him the platform to succeed and maybe, just maybe, get compensation for him when a bigger club comes in 2-3 years from now.
'Riga did want the job but the fact he did not select the bulk of owner Roland Duchatelet's overseas signings counted against him.' Very worrying IF true.
'Riga did want the job but the fact he did not select the bulk of owner Roland Duchatelet's overseas signings counted against him.' Very worrying if true.
'Riga did want the job but the fact he did not select the bulk of owner Roland Duchatelet's overseas signings counted against him.' Very worrying if true.
Phew. Right gonna stop reading this now and watch Joe Gomez. My early observation is that Riga is cheesed off about his treatment since he kept us up. I suppose unsentimental is another quality that may be added to the character of Roland Duchatelet.
Personally I find this all utterly depressing. I like being able to engage with the players and manager, to feel that they actually have at least some affinity with the club. Under Duchatelet, it feels like we are a nothing more than a temporary holding area or testing ground for players and coaches who are destined to end up somewhere else. Peeters might be rubbish, he might be great - either way, it's hard to imagine him still being here in a year and a half. As for the players, let's just say I wouldn't bother getting anyone's name printed on the back of your kid's overpriced new Charlton shirt.
Very well said, Mr Largo. Duchatelet is doing things on the cheap - again. Why doesn't he appoint a manager experienced at the higher levels of English football - Chris Hughton, just for example? Answer: Because a young manager from a minor club in Belgium is much cheaper on the salaries bill.
As soon as he took over, Duchatelet made it perfectly clear that he wasn't going to spend big money on transfer fees or players' wages. That was the first damning proof of his lack of ambition for this club. Sure, he is paying for a new pitch - because without that we wouldn't have a pitch to play on. And of course he wants to build up the academy - so that the few graduates who come good can soon be sold for a handsome profit.
Duchatelet is a fabulously wealthy man with a personal fortune of 420m Euros at the latest count - yet he won't spend any money. Look at his disgraceful penny-pinching over Yann Kermorgant; no wonder our decent second-tier players like Hamer, Morro and Dervite are looking elsewhere. Reaching the highest level requires ambition, courage, guts and gamble: we ought to be buying first-rate players and appointing an experienced manager, and rewarding them well.
The Valley is being turned into a holding pen, an exercise gym, a proving ground for marginal players from other clubs in the preposterous 'network'. As a London club with a big history, a decent ground and healthy support, we should be routinely challenging in the Championship play-offs at the very least. Duchatelet's rictus-tight financial prudence - dressed up as a sensible strategy to secure our survival - will see us shuffling about in the nether regions with Blackpool, Barnsley, Millwall and the rest for years to come.
Far from being an enterprising visionary, Duchatelet is nothing more than a cheeseparing administrator.
RD is a controversial person in terms of the way he does stuff. He's not your average rich guy. He mostly has "weird" ideas compared to the mainstream ideas in all aspects.
He will spent money in infrastructure, at Standard Liege he spent alot of money in the youth center and the training facilities which are now state of the art, even on a european scale. Probably he will do the same at charlton. In his views, investing in youth development is a basis to be succesful for years to come, investing lost of money in players may be good in temporary succes; Whether it's a good or a bad thing, thta's up for debate.
RD will always have controversy around him - he is no abramavich or sheikh who just sees the football club he owns as a toy to spend his money on. Could be you guys will have one of the very best youth academies for years to come in england and it will bring you success with homegrown players. What is more beautiful in football than seeing your team being succesful with players that were yours since they were age 12-13.
I hope for you guys you RD will do that, but only time will tell.
RD just does stuff the RD-way, but he is not a bad person i believe - just a guy with weird views sometimes, and definately a guy whit principles.
For those wondering what I'm on about Bertje was a previous Belgium visitor whose praise for Karel Fraeye (and for RD's 'astuteness' in picking him) reads rather like that for Peeter's from our friend byl above:
you guys see ghosts everywhere lmao Charlton Athletic, the most paranoid fan base ever
Any thoughts on Karel Fraeye....?
Where is he by the way - curiously although he was with us since March - Fraeye is stll listed at 'Head Trainer' (Hoofdtrainer) at his old club KFC Eendracht Zele?:
and according to your compatriot Bertje he was going to be the next big thing....?
i can't comment on him. Eendracht Zele is an amatuer team in belgium who play in a regional division. It's another regio than the one i am in, I live close to Antwerp. I only learned to know Karel Fraeye when Riga took him as an assitant to Charlton, never heard from him before. But he is probabky ok for the job he needs to do and Riga obviously knew him. And if Riga knows and values him, that is usually a good sign; Riga is really considered here as a class guy who is also very intelligent - for a football mangaer, that is
But the impression given - particularly by our previous Belgium visitor Bertje - was that it wasn't Riga who picked Fraeye as assistant head coach but Duchatelet; plus as far as I'm aware there is no evidence of previous associations between Riga and Fraye (Riga had been in Qatar and Milan before coming to us)?
Bertje told us:
“don't underestimate Roland Duchatelet and the young coaches he's bringing ( like the former unknown coach Guy Luzon who's still making a chance to get Standard into the Champions League)
I'm following Karel Fraeyes career and he's a talented, typical head coach. I've never seen a more talented young coach in our area.
His strongest part is reading the game and coaching and motivating players as a team or individually.
You know: Some Belgian first and second class teams were saying: why does a talented coach as Fraeye chooses for Duchatelet and Charlton if he has opportunities in the Belgian first division. So they are underestimating Charlton and the championship too.
If they make Fraeye head coach: he will fully use the talent of the Charlton staff and players and he 'll get the best out of the squad”.
'Riga did want the job but the fact he did not select the bulk of owner Roland Duchatelet's overseas signings counted against him.' Very worrying if true.
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Rob Lee approached to be CAFC assistant head coach
Situation Vacant.
Manager Charlton Athletic FC
Successful candidates must be Belgian, have an IQ higher than their shoe size and err... that's it. (as long as Roly likes you)
We are an equal opportunity employer but prefer Belgian men with at least one grey suit.
http://www.waasland-beveren.be/matchcenter/kalender/
Where is he by the way - curiously although he was with us since March - Fraeye is stll listed as 'Head Trainer' (Hoofdtrainer) at his old club KFC Eendracht Zele?:
http://www.eendrachtzele.be/html/technischestaf.htm
and according to your compatriot Bertje he was going to be the next big thing....?
The Belgian league being a bit of a mess, I'm happy to give Peeters the benefit of the doubt and take the regular seasons results more seriously
Just put little more on Jose Riga story on our website. Texted staff earlier today that he wasn't coming back. But he wanted job.
That's probably how Cawley got the info.
As soon as he took over, Duchatelet made it perfectly clear that he wasn't going to spend big money on transfer fees or players' wages. That was the first damning proof of his lack of ambition for this club. Sure, he is paying for a new pitch - because without that we wouldn't have a pitch to play on. And of course he wants to build up the academy - so that the few graduates who come good can soon be sold for a handsome profit.
Duchatelet is a fabulously wealthy man with a personal fortune of 420m Euros at the latest count - yet he won't spend any money. Look at his disgraceful penny-pinching over Yann Kermorgant - no wonder our decent second-tier players like Hamer, Morro and Dervite are looking elsewhere. Reaching the highest level requires ambition, courage, guts and gamble: we ought to be buying first-rate players and appointing an experienced manager, and rewarding them well.
The Valley is being turned into a holding pen, an exercise gym, a proving ground for marginal players from other clubs in the preposterous 'network'. As a London club with a big history, a decent ground and healthy support, we should be routinely challenging in the Championship play-offs at the very least. Duchatelet's rictus-tight financial prudence - dressed up as a sensible strategy to secure our survival - will see us shuffling about in the nether regions with Blackpool, Barnsley, Millwall and the rest for years to come.
Far from being an enterprising visionary, Duchatelet is nothing more than a cheeseparing administrator.
http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/Sport.cfm?id=16947
What about Martin Peters or even Mary Peters?
My early observation is that Riga is cheesed off about his treatment since he kept us up.
I suppose unsentimental is another quality that may be added to the character of Roland Duchatelet.
He will spent money in infrastructure, at Standard Liege he spent alot of money in the youth center and the training facilities which are now state of the art, even on a european scale. Probably he will do the same at charlton. In his views, investing in youth development is a basis to be succesful for years to come, investing lost of money in players may be good in temporary succes; Whether it's a good or a bad thing, thta's up for debate.
RD will always have controversy around him - he is no abramavich or sheikh who just sees the football club he owns as a toy to spend his money on. Could be you guys will have one of the very best youth academies for years to come in england and it will bring you success with homegrown players. What is more beautiful in football than seeing your team being succesful with players that were yours since they were age 12-13.
I hope for you guys you RD will do that, but only time will tell.
RD just does stuff the RD-way, but he is not a bad person i believe - just a guy with weird views sometimes, and definately a guy whit principles.
Bertje told us:
“don't underestimate Roland Duchatelet and the young coaches he's bringing ( like the former unknown coach Guy Luzon who's still making a chance to get Standard into the Champions League)
I'm following Karel Fraeyes career and he's a talented, typical head coach. I've never seen a more talented young coach in our area.
His strongest part is reading the game and coaching and motivating players as a team or individually.
You know: Some Belgian first and second class teams were saying: why does a talented coach as Fraeye chooses for Duchatelet and Charlton if he has opportunities in the Belgian first division. So they are underestimating Charlton and the championship too.
If they make Fraeye head coach: he will fully use the talent of the Charlton staff and players and he 'll get the best out of the squad”.
http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/61497/karel-fraeye/p4
So perhaps you see the similarity with your glowing praise for Peeters (and Duchatelet)..../