'Riga did want the job but the fact he did not select the bulk of owner Roland Duchatelet's overseas signings counted against him.' Very worrying if true.
Phew. Right gonna stop reading this now and watch Joe Gomez. My early observation is that Riga is cheesed off about his treatment since he kept us up. I suppose unsentimental is another quality that may be added to the character of Roland Duchatelet.
Personally I find this all utterly depressing. I like being able to engage with the players and manager, to feel that they actually have at least some affinity with the club. Under Duchatelet, it feels like we are a nothing more than a temporary holding area or testing ground for players and coaches who are destined to end up somewhere else. Peeters might be rubbish, he might be great - either way, it's hard to imagine him still being here in a year and a half. As for the players, let's just say I wouldn't bother getting anyone's name printed on the back of your kid's overpriced new Charlton shirt.
Very well said, Mr Largo. Duchatelet is doing things on the cheap - again. Why doesn't he appoint a manager experienced at the higher levels of English football - Chris Hughton, just for example? Answer: Because a young manager from a minor club in Belgium is much cheaper on the salaries bill.
As soon as he took over, Duchatelet made it perfectly clear that he wasn't going to spend big money on transfer fees or players' wages. That was the first damning proof of his lack of ambition for this club. Sure, he is paying for a new pitch - because without that we wouldn't have a pitch to play on. And of course he wants to build up the academy - so that the few graduates who come good can soon be sold for a handsome profit.
Duchatelet is a fabulously wealthy man with a personal fortune of 420m Euros at the latest count - yet he won't spend any money. Look at his disgraceful penny-pinching over Yann Kermorgant; no wonder our decent second-tier players like Hamer, Morro and Dervite are looking elsewhere. Reaching the highest level requires ambition, courage, guts and gamble: we ought to be buying first-rate players and appointing an experienced manager, and rewarding them well.
The Valley is being turned into a holding pen, an exercise gym, a proving ground for marginal players from other clubs in the preposterous 'network'. As a London club with a big history, a decent ground and healthy support, we should be routinely challenging in the Championship play-offs at the very least. Duchatelet's rictus-tight financial prudence - dressed up as a sensible strategy to secure our survival - will see us shuffling about in the nether regions with Blackpool, Barnsley, Millwall and the rest for years to come.
Far from being an enterprising visionary, Duchatelet is nothing more than a cheeseparing administrator.
RD is a controversial person in terms of the way he does stuff. He's not your average rich guy. He mostly has "weird" ideas compared to the mainstream ideas in all aspects.
He will spent money in infrastructure, at Standard Liege he spent alot of money in the youth center and the training facilities which are now state of the art, even on a european scale. Probably he will do the same at charlton. In his views, investing in youth development is a basis to be succesful for years to come, investing lost of money in players may be good in temporary succes; Whether it's a good or a bad thing, thta's up for debate.
RD will always have controversy around him - he is no abramavich or sheikh who just sees the football club he owns as a toy to spend his money on. Could be you guys will have one of the very best youth academies for years to come in england and it will bring you success with homegrown players. What is more beautiful in football than seeing your team being succesful with players that were yours since they were age 12-13.
I hope for you guys you RD will do that, but only time will tell.
RD just does stuff the RD-way, but he is not a bad person i believe - just a guy with weird views sometimes, and definately a guy whit principles.
For those wondering what I'm on about Bertje was a previous Belgium visitor whose praise for Karel Fraeye (and for RD's 'astuteness' in picking him) reads rather like that for Peeter's from our friend byl above:
you guys see ghosts everywhere lmao Charlton Athletic, the most paranoid fan base ever
Any thoughts on Karel Fraeye....?
Where is he by the way - curiously although he was with us since March - Fraeye is stll listed at 'Head Trainer' (Hoofdtrainer) at his old club KFC Eendracht Zele?:
and according to your compatriot Bertje he was going to be the next big thing....?
i can't comment on him. Eendracht Zele is an amatuer team in belgium who play in a regional division. It's another regio than the one i am in, I live close to Antwerp. I only learned to know Karel Fraeye when Riga took him as an assitant to Charlton, never heard from him before. But he is probabky ok for the job he needs to do and Riga obviously knew him. And if Riga knows and values him, that is usually a good sign; Riga is really considered here as a class guy who is also very intelligent - for a football mangaer, that is
But the impression given - particularly by our previous Belgium visitor Bertje - was that it wasn't Riga who picked Fraeye as assistant head coach but Duchatelet; plus as far as I'm aware there is no evidence of previous associations between Riga and Fraye (Riga had been in Qatar and Milan before coming to us)?
Bertje told us:
“don't underestimate Roland Duchatelet and the young coaches he's bringing ( like the former unknown coach Guy Luzon who's still making a chance to get Standard into the Champions League)
I'm following Karel Fraeyes career and he's a talented, typical head coach. I've never seen a more talented young coach in our area.
His strongest part is reading the game and coaching and motivating players as a team or individually.
You know: Some Belgian first and second class teams were saying: why does a talented coach as Fraeye chooses for Duchatelet and Charlton if he has opportunities in the Belgian first division. So they are underestimating Charlton and the championship too.
If they make Fraeye head coach: he will fully use the talent of the Charlton staff and players and he 'll get the best out of the squad”.
'Riga did want the job but the fact he did not select the bulk of owner Roland Duchatelet's overseas signings counted against him.' Very worrying if true.
Phew. Right gonna stop reading this now and watch Joe Gomez. My early observation is that Riga is cheesed off about his treatment since he kept us up. I suppose unsentimental is another quality that may be added to the character of Roland Duchatelet.
Along with psychotic, egocentric, delusional, disloyal. clinical, emotionally sterile, smug and cynical??
“You guys just wait and see. We'll stand taller than these mountains. We'll bare open our hearts for the world to grab. We'll see lights where there was dimness. We'll testify together to what we have seen and felt. Life will go on--all of us--crawling; stumbling, falling perhaps. But we will be the strong ones. Our hearts will shine brightly.”
'Riga did want the job but the fact he did not select the bulk of owner Roland Duchatelet's overseas signings counted against him.' Very worrying if true.
I knew roland the dirty rat would do this riga works wonders but because he wasn't a lap dog he doesn't get the job I got abuse when I mentioned "roland the dirty rat" a few weeks ago why doesn't he put on the tracksuit and take the team himself
For those wondering what I'm on about Bertje was a previous Belgium visitor whose praise for Karel Fraeye (and for RD's 'astuteness' in picking him) reads rather like that for Peeter's from our friend byl above:
you guys see ghosts everywhere lmao Charlton Athletic, the most paranoid fan base ever
Any thoughts on Karel Fraeye....?
Where is he by the way - curiously although he was with us since March - Fraeye is stll listed at 'Head Trainer' (Hoofdtrainer) at his old club KFC Eendracht Zele?:
and according to your compatriot Bertje he was going to be the next big thing....?
i can't comment on him. Eendracht Zele is an amatuer team in belgium who play in a regional division. It's another regio than the one i am in, I live close to Antwerp. I only learned to know Karel Fraeye when Riga took him as an assitant to Charlton, never heard from him before. But he is probabky ok for the job he needs to do and Riga obviously knew him. And if Riga knows and values him, that is usually a good sign; Riga is really considered here as a class guy who is also very intelligent - for a football mangaer, that is
But the impression given - particularly by our previous Belgium visitor Bertje - was that it wasn't Riga who picked Fraeye as assistant head coach but Duchatelet; plus as far as I'm aware there is no evidence of previous associations between Riga and Fraye (Riga had been in Qatar and Milan before coming to us)?
Bertje told us:
“don't underestimate Roland Duchatelet and the young coaches he's bringing ( like the former unknown coach Guy Luzon who's still making a chance to get Standard into the Champions League)
I'm following Karel Fraeyes career and he's a talented, typical head coach. I've never seen a more talented young coach in our area.
His strongest part is reading the game and coaching and motivating players as a team or individually.
You know: Some Belgian first and second class teams were saying: why does a talented coach as Fraeye chooses for Duchatelet and Charlton if he has opportunities in the Belgian first division. So they are underestimating Charlton and the championship too.
If they make Fraeye head coach: he will fully use the talent of the Charlton staff and players and he 'll get the best out of the squad”.
Phew. Right gonna stop reading this now and watch Joe Gomez. My early observation is that Riga is cheesed off about his treatment since he kept us up. I suppose unsentimental is another quality that may be added to the character of Roland Duchatelet.
Along with psychotic, egocentric, delusional, disloyal. clinical, emotionally sterile, smug and cynical??
So when did you meet him to draw that conclusion then?
Phew. Right gonna stop reading this now and watch Joe Gomez. My early observation is that Riga is cheesed off about his treatment since he kept us up. I suppose unsentimental is another quality that may be added to the character of Roland Duchatelet.
Along with psychotic, egocentric, delusional, disloyal. clinical, emotionally sterile, smug and cynical??
unsentimentimental, emotionally sterile clinical and cynical i have to agree i don't think he is phychotic- egocentric- delusional disloyal or smug though
Phew. Right gonna stop reading this now and watch Joe Gomez. My early observation is that Riga is cheesed off about his treatment since he kept us up. I suppose unsentimental is another quality that may be added to the character of Roland Duchatelet.
Along with psychotic, egocentric, delusional, disloyal. clinical, emotionally sterile, smug and cynical??
I am on a diet of cerebral and unsentimental for now, too many other adjectives would only make me fat(ter).
If indeed it is Bob Peeters who gets the job, I hope RD at least issues a press release to explain what it is about this guy that makes him a better choice than JR (who by all accounts was very keen to stay with us). I would be very interested to read that, because right now I can see not the slightest shred of evidence.
Mick , being a bit harsh on the guy. , can't afka tell where he's from ect or be able to tell if it's the same person . I personally don't believe it is.
Possibly (even probably) they aren’t.
I just find it curious that when Fraeye was being discussed as possibly being lined up to take over from Riga we got an 'informed' Belgium source (Bertje) praising him to the skies (and by association RD for appointing him) - no just saying he's 'ok' - and now with the (apparently strong) rumour about Peeters we get byl somewhat uncritically singing his and again RD's praises.
Perhaps the common element isn’t Bertje and byl – but the praise for RD’s ‘judgement’ in selecting coached?
If indeed it is Bob Peeters who gets the job, I hope RD at least issues a press release to explain what it is about this guy that makes him a better choice than JR (who by all accounts was very keen to stay with us). I would be very interested to read that, because right now I can see not the slightest shred of evidence.
there is no reason that makes Bob Peeters a better choice than Jose Riga, other than RD thinks it is the best thing to do. RD is weird guy , but i guess amll of you know already.
i know what you guys kinda go through at the moment. I support Lierse SK which has a long tradition in belgian football, but went nearly bankrupt in 2008. We were only saved from disappearing as a football club because some Egyptian businessman bought our clubs at the time and we became the laughing stock of all other belgian football fans for that over the next few years . Our egyptian guy is even weirder than RD lmao.
But he got us back in the pro league after 3 long seasons in 2nd tier, all bills were paid again and we became finacially stable again. That is the basis of everything if you want to survive as a professional football club.
6 years ago, he started immediately with a youth academy, bringing in 12 year old kids to that, which this years delivered the first youngsters from that academy being in the 1st team (those guys are now 17-18 years old), and the future looks bright for us again now for the first time in 10 years.
For me i have a team i can still support, at the stadium i always went to and now hopefully again with decent homegrown players instead of the 3-rd and 4rd grade cheap african and east-european players i had to look at for 10 years.
So keep on supporting your local team, be vigilant, but also don't be paranoid. A football club is not about who is in charge or the current crop of players, but it is about the fans who are there every week, year in year out
Apart from the fact that BP is cheap and will do exactly what he is told to do. Like one of those little nodding Churchill Dogs. Roland wants a yes man.
Jose Riga playing decent passing football, promoting and encouraging the youth, uniting the club, players and supporters after a difficult time, keeping the club up is not deemed good enough.
What chance of keeping Poyet now. Am very disappointed with this decision.
This all makes me laugh - three months ago, JR was the devil incarnate, who all of the players would hate and automatically leave the club or just refuse to play for. Now he is presented as a CAFC hero who should probably have a statue outside the main stand! How quickly things change!
I only hope that whoever takes over will go through a similarly messianic revival!
If indeed it is Bob Peeters who gets the job, I hope RD at least issues a press release to explain what it is about this guy that makes him a better choice than JR (who by all accounts was very keen to stay with us). I would be very interested to read that, because right now I can see not the slightest shred of evidence.
there is no reason that makes Bob Peeters a better choice than Jose Riga, other than RD thinks it is the best thing to do. RD is weird guy , but i guess amll of you know already.
i know what you guys kinda go through at the moment. I support Lierse SK which has a long tradition in belgian fottball, but went nearly as bankrupt in 2008. We were only saved from disappearing as a football club because some Egyptian Businessman bought our clubs at the time and we became the laughing stock of all other belgian football fans for that over the next few years . Our egyptian guy is even weirder than RD lmao.
But he got us back in the pro league after 3 long seasons in 2nd tier, all bills were paid again and we became finacially stable again. That is the basis of everything if you want to survive as a professional football club.
6 years ago, he started immediately with a youth academy, bringing in 12 year old kids to that, which this years delivered the first youngsters from that academy being in the 1st team (those guys are now 17-18 years old), and the future looks bright for us again now for the first time in 10 years.
For me i have a team i can still support, at the stadium i always went to and now hoepfully again with decent homegrown players instead of the 3-rd and 4rd grade cheap african and east-european players i had to look at for 10 years.
So keep on supporting your local team, be vigilant, but also don't be paranoid. A football club is not about who is in charge or the current crop of players, but it is about the fans who are there every week, year in year out
Oh well only another 6 years of poor football and no success or ambition to put up with then.
I agree with what my fellow Belgian zenga said. Now I honestly don't have any connection to Charlton, except that I coincidentally know the guy who has been the assistent coach(Karel Van Lierde) here the last few months and I was just curious about the opinions here about RD and Riga.
I see that some people here are pessimistic and I also don't really get why Riga can't continue, I just read that he was also surprised by this news but that he has no hard feelings towards RD. Thing is that Peeters really isn't just a puppet who does what his boss tells him, if anything I would expect him to do even more his own thing than Riga did. He actually really is a decent coach who has lets his teams play good football with limited resources. Only his period in Ghent was bad, he was the coach of my favourite team and I can tell you it wasn't just because of him that it went wrong then.
RD is also known in Belgium to make some strange moves but it's not always bad. Last year he did something similar at his other club Standard where he fired the coach who got them European football(Rednic) and hundreds of fans of Standard even started protesting against it. But afterwards it looked like he had made a great move with switching coaches back then, their current coach almost made Standard champions and Rednic, who got fired by RD, started working in Ghent and he turned out to be a complete clown here.
This all makes me laugh - three months ago, JR was the devil incarnate, who all of the players would hate and automatically leave the club or just refuse to play for. Now he is presented as a CAFC hero who should probably have a statue outside the main stand! How quickly things change!
I only hope that whoever takes over will go through a similarly messianic revival!
Nothing funny about having a Roland Ambramovich, where nothings ever good enough - changing the manager twice in under half a year.
You know after a dreadful season which ends in victory over adversity we now get this! I actually feel sorry for Peteers or whoever comes in because we all know failure to win every game in the first few weeks and the Peteers out chant followed by Roland out soon after and our season will be set for more turmoil. If we manage to keep Diego then great but fear the worst. Riga deserved better but clearly our Roland likes making a point--he's in charge!
For those wondering what I'm on about Bertje was a previous Belgium visitor whose praise for Karel Fraeye (and for RD's 'astuteness' in picking him) reads rather like that for Peeter's from our friend byl above:
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My early observation is that Riga is cheesed off about his treatment since he kept us up.
I suppose unsentimental is another quality that may be added to the character of Roland Duchatelet.
He will spent money in infrastructure, at Standard Liege he spent alot of money in the youth center and the training facilities which are now state of the art, even on a european scale. Probably he will do the same at charlton. In his views, investing in youth development is a basis to be succesful for years to come, investing lost of money in players may be good in temporary succes; Whether it's a good or a bad thing, thta's up for debate.
RD will always have controversy around him - he is no abramavich or sheikh who just sees the football club he owns as a toy to spend his money on. Could be you guys will have one of the very best youth academies for years to come in england and it will bring you success with homegrown players. What is more beautiful in football than seeing your team being succesful with players that were yours since they were age 12-13.
I hope for you guys you RD will do that, but only time will tell.
RD just does stuff the RD-way, but he is not a bad person i believe - just a guy with weird views sometimes, and definately a guy whit principles.
Bertje told us:
“don't underestimate Roland Duchatelet and the young coaches he's bringing ( like the former unknown coach Guy Luzon who's still making a chance to get Standard into the Champions League)
I'm following Karel Fraeyes career and he's a talented, typical head coach. I've never seen a more talented young coach in our area.
His strongest part is reading the game and coaching and motivating players as a team or individually.
You know: Some Belgian first and second class teams were saying: why does a talented coach as Fraeye chooses for Duchatelet and Charlton if he has opportunities in the Belgian first division. So they are underestimating Charlton and the championship too.
If they make Fraeye head coach: he will fully use the talent of the Charlton staff and players and he 'll get the best out of the squad”.
http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/61497/karel-fraeye/p4
So perhaps you see the similarity with your glowing praise for Peeters (and Duchatelet)..../
;-)
Incredible
So when did you meet him to draw that conclusion then?
i don't think he is phychotic- egocentric- delusional disloyal or smug though
I just find it curious that when Fraeye was being discussed as possibly being lined up to take over from Riga we got an 'informed' Belgium source (Bertje) praising him to the skies (and by association RD for appointing him) - no just saying he's 'ok' - and now with the (apparently strong) rumour about Peeters we get byl somewhat uncritically singing his and again RD's praises.
Perhaps the common element isn’t Bertje and byl – but the praise for RD’s ‘judgement’ in selecting coached?
i know what you guys kinda go through at the moment. I support Lierse SK which has a long tradition in belgian football, but went nearly bankrupt in 2008. We were only saved from disappearing as a football club because some Egyptian businessman bought our clubs at the time and we became the laughing stock of all other belgian football fans for that over the next few years . Our egyptian guy is even weirder than RD lmao.
But he got us back in the pro league after 3 long seasons in 2nd tier, all bills were paid again and we became finacially stable again. That is the basis of everything if you want to survive as a professional football club.
6 years ago, he started immediately with a youth academy, bringing in 12 year old kids to that, which this years delivered the first youngsters from that academy being in the 1st team (those guys are now 17-18 years old), and the future looks bright for us again now for the first time in 10 years.
For me i have a team i can still support, at the stadium i always went to and now hopefully again with decent homegrown players instead of the 3-rd and 4rd grade cheap african and east-european players i had to look at for 10 years.
So keep on supporting your local team, be vigilant, but also don't be paranoid. A football club is not about who is in charge or the current crop of players, but it is about the fans who are there every week, year in year out
Jose Riga playing decent passing football, promoting and encouraging the youth, uniting the club, players and supporters after a difficult time, keeping the club up is not deemed good enough.
What chance of keeping Poyet now. Am very disappointed with this decision.
I only hope that whoever takes over will go through a similarly messianic revival!
Bobby peeters ohhhhh
I agree with what my fellow Belgian zenga said. Now I honestly don't have any connection to Charlton, except that I coincidentally know the guy who has been the assistent coach(Karel Van Lierde) here the last few months and I was just curious about the opinions here about RD and Riga.
I see that some people here are pessimistic and I also don't really get why Riga can't continue, I just read that he was also surprised by this news but that he has no hard feelings towards RD. Thing is that Peeters really isn't just a puppet who does what his boss tells him, if anything I would expect him to do even more his own thing than Riga did. He actually really is a decent coach who has lets his teams play good football with limited resources. Only his period in Ghent was bad, he was the coach of my favourite team and I can tell you it wasn't just because of him that it went wrong then.
RD is also known in Belgium to make some strange moves but it's not always bad. Last year he did something similar at his other club Standard where he fired the coach who got them European football(Rednic) and hundreds of fans of Standard even started protesting against it. But afterwards it looked like he had made a great move with switching coaches back then, their current coach almost made Standard champions and Rednic, who got fired by RD, started working in Ghent and he turned out to be a complete clown here.
Riga deserved better but clearly our Roland likes making a point--he's in charge!
AND its driving me crazy.
I can see this speculation Peetering out.
Oh Bob Peeters his asset is measured in Metres.