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Not happy with Peeters at the moment

DiscoCAFC
DiscoCAFC Posts: 1,762
in General Charlton
How many more formations and switching players positions is he going to change this season?

We have played 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-4-1-1 and tonight we played 3-5-2.

We started the season playing 4-4-2 and we were one of the teams remaining unbeaten, Vetokele was scoring like fun and we was not conceding many goals. Surely that is the formation that suited us with the team we have?

Winning only 2 in 13 is relegation form, if it carries on like this we will be down with Millwall soon. I know we was playing Ipswich tonight but I am analysing our recent performances, I still think we should have appointed Riga seeing he did brilliant to keep us up.
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  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,358
    When I saw the title of this thread I thought great, at last RD has joined the discussion on CL...
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,372
    Yet he still thinks zonal marking actually works.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    I don't think Peeters has got much longer left here.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,786
    edited December 2014
    cafctom said:

    Yet he still thinks zonal marking actually works.

    One goal conceded per 29 corners might suggest otherwise.
  • Atletico Addick
    Atletico Addick Posts: 5,843
    We got found out as a team manyyyy a weeks ago and he's just trying a bit of everything, there is no concrete plan B. As I said pre match a 3-5-2 (all be it 5-3-2 which invites pressure) is asking for Ipswich to get in behind the midfield and go at us, they did just that piling in the corners and got their just rewards from our poor zonal marking.

    We all seem to know everything when we post, we want to see this team, that team, this formation, that formation and Bob is seemingly the same, he's trying to find something that works (of which he should be doing day to day at SL, not on match days).

    I'm not quite sure what Bob's strengths are as a coach, granted he's in a tricky job due to our owner but let's not go there. I can't say I'm convinced by his man management and treatment of the youth either.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    The Red Robin said:

    I don't think Peeters has got much longer left here.

    With the title of the thread and comments like this it makes you wonder
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    cafctom said:

    Yet he still thinks zonal marking actually works.

    Why is there such hatred towards zonal marking? You never hear the same dislike towards man marking.
  • BillG
    BillG Posts: 90
    I am sure Peters won't be here next season. He might not be here for 2015 for that matter. I do wonder if he continues to have the player's confidence given his tinkering, playing people out of position, etc.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    BillG said:

    I am sure Peters won't be here next season. He might not be here for 2015 for that matter. I do wonder if he continues to have the player's confidence given his tinkering, playing people out of position, etc.

    I am sorry but isn't that a managers job

    4-4-2 was not working so he has tried different things
    Wiggins is injured, fox not worked out so again he has had to try different things
  • Atletico Addick
    Atletico Addick Posts: 5,843
    paulie8290 said:

    BillG said:

    I am sure Peters won't be here next season. He might not be here for 2015 for that matter. I do wonder if he continues to have the player's confidence given his tinkering, playing people out of position, etc.

    I am sorry but isn't that a managers job

    4-4-2 was not working so he has tried different things
    Wiggins is injured, fox not worked out so again he has had to try different things
    Doesn't mean you need to put Solly in midfield, Harriott upfront though, does it? He's clutching at straws and has been for a lot longer than is visible to us.

    Wiggins out has been very detrimental to our season but then Bob didn't use Wiggins to his best ability anyway IMO, stopped him from bombing forward and let the opponents wingers bomb at him which is not his strength, he's best toe to toe with them up and down the field.

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  • mid_life_crisis
    mid_life_crisis Posts: 3,264
    I can't comment on his man management skills and whilst I agree some of the formation changes have been baffling (for players and fans alike), BP cannot be held responsible for some of the truly shit finishing that has been on display in the past 5 weeks.
  • DiscoCAFC
    DiscoCAFC Posts: 1,762
    edited December 2014
    paulie8290 said:

    BillG said:

    I am sure Peters won't be here next season. He might not be here for 2015 for that matter. I do wonder if he continues to have the player's confidence given his tinkering, playing people out of position, etc.

    I am sorry but isn't that a managers job

    4-4-2 was not working so he has tried different things
    Wiggins is injured, fox not worked out so again he has had to try different things
    Not sure how you say 4-4-2 was not working seeing we played that formation when we were one of the teams remaining unbeaten, Vetokele was scoring like fun and we was not conceding many goals.

    Anyway, whats wrong with not playing Gomez left back or switching Solly at left back with Wilson coming in Right back?
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    DiscoCAFC said:

    paulie8290 said:

    BillG said:

    I am sure Peters won't be here next season. He might not be here for 2015 for that matter. I do wonder if he continues to have the player's confidence given his tinkering, playing people out of position, etc.

    I am sorry but isn't that a managers job

    4-4-2 was not working so he has tried different things
    Wiggins is injured, fox not worked out so again he has had to try different things
    Not sure how you say 4-4-2 was not working seeing we played that formation when we were one of the teams remaining unbeaten, Vetokele was scoring like fun and we was not conceding many goals.

    Anyway, whats wrong with not playing Gomez left back or switching Solly at left back with Wilson coming in Right back?
    Then we lost to Bournemouth and BP decided to go 4-4-1-1 to try and change things around as teams were starting to work us out. oh and Vetokele was not scoring for fun in fact after the Brighton game the next 7 games whilst playing 4-4-2 he scored 1 goal
  • Rossman92
    Rossman92 Posts: 3,653
    soapy_jones said:

    When I saw the title of this thread I thought great, at last RD has joined the discussion on CL...

    You've been found out DiscoCAFC, we know who you really are
  • Bubble
    Bubble Posts: 1,541
    Whatever happens to him he needs to stop coming out after games saying "we can't do anything about it" - he's just repeated about 8 times tonight, and he has used it previously also.
    I appreciate he's pretty blunt and candid in his style but coming out shrugging your shoulders just doesn't wash with me
  • Rossman92
    Rossman92 Posts: 3,653
    He also needs to stop saying that the amount of points at this point last year is was a lot less and the amount we have now is a positive, well now we only have 7 more than last year at this time
  • Danny Addick
    Danny Addick Posts: 3,931
    Saying we can't do anything about the headers we were outfought for is poor.
  • DeeBee
    DeeBee Posts: 1,033
    Atletico Addick said:

    We got found out as a team manyyyy a weeks ago and he's just trying a bit of everything, there is no concrete plan B. As I said pre match a 3-5-2 (all be it 5-3-2 which invites pressure) is asking for Ipswich to get in behind the midfield and go at us, they did just that piling in the corners and got their just rewards from our poor zonal marking.

    We all seem to know everything when we post, we want to see this team, that team, this formation, that formation and Bob is seemingly the same, he's trying to find something that works (of which he should be doing day to day at SL, not on match days).

    I'm not quite sure what Bob's strengths are as a coach, granted he's in a tricky job due to our owner but let's not go there. I can't say I'm convinced by his man management and treatment of the youth either.

    Yeah bloody hell I hate how Joe Gomez and several other players younger than 20 have had minutes in wins against teams like Derby and Wigan :-(
    I liked it better when we signed an ageing Garry Borrowdale on loan. Those were the days
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,284
    No point in being frustrated at a manager who is early on in his managing career, if this was Powell in his first season with us would you be so quick to put him under fire? Fact is Igor has been pony recently and that has had an effect on results
  • Atletico Addick
    Atletico Addick Posts: 5,843
    sam3110 said:

    No point in being frustrated at a manager who is early on in his managing career, if this was Powell in his first season with us would you be so quick to put him under fire? Fact is Igor has been pony recently and that has had an effect on results

    Eh? They both started managing in 2010.. Powell took ALOT more fire on here than Bob has.. and Powell moved us up safely a league and secured us there.

    A lot more to it than Igor being pony, ALOT more

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  • Absurdistan
    Absurdistan Posts: 8,024
    Starting to think agent spanners, must stop, must stop.
  • seriously_red
    seriously_red Posts: 5,741
    The problem wasn't tonight - it was the failure to beat Blackpool and Millwall which has taken us down from 1.5 points per game to 1 point per game in the last 12. Winning those would have us in a comfortable position with the slide arrested.
    Posted on the post match thread that something has to change...
    Wiggins, Watt, Ajdarevic (?) Coquelin are all possible additions but it's fairly obvious that Tucudean as second striker is not working.

    If we don't win soon then it's clear to me that M.Duchatelet will act - he's put in £20m+ to acquire and fund CAFC and that isn't to watch us drift into the bottom six again. Five points clear of Rotherham (19th) and we need to maintain that distance.

    Always fun at Charlton and at least it's the distraction of the FA cup on Saturday.
  • Sir Chrissy
    Sir Chrissy Posts: 609
    Can tell you for a fact Jacko isn't happy with how things are going. Keep being taken off at 60 minutes is p*ssing him off. Add to that this poxy Zonal Marking which none of the team like.
  • Addickted2TheReds
    Addickted2TheReds Posts: 7,736
    S_R - couldn't agree more. Tonight was to be expected, it happens. But the Blackpool game really pissed me off at the time, and thinking about it again it really was unacceptable not to get the three points in that game. Very complacent.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,386
    I want to see how he does with the 2/3 signings we need. As has been talked about for months we have no option of a target man up front. I also feel we lack something in midfield, whether that's a playmaker, a goalscorer or ball winner. We clearly don't have enough cover in other positions, Pope and Fox haven't been convincing or consistent enough, while Gomez and KAG are still very young, we don't want to be relying on them if we get a few injuries in their positions. Then we've got a few signings that haven't added what we hoped in Bulot, Tucudean and Moussa.

    I don't blame him for trying something different at times. He'd be critisized more had he kept things exactly as they were in the first few games of the season. He's also limited by our small squad.
  • Rossman92
    Rossman92 Posts: 3,653
    I remember RD saying if we are in striking distance, that he will spend money. Are we still in striking distance according to him? We can't assume what he'll do. We'll have to wait and see
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,372
    Atletico Addick said:

    sam3110 said:

    No point in being frustrated at a manager who is early on in his managing career, if this was Powell in his first season with us would you be so quick to put him under fire? Fact is Igor has been pony recently and that has had an effect on results

    Eh? They both started managing in 2010.. Powell took ALOT more fire on here than Bob has.. and Powell moved us up safely a league and secured us there.

    A lot more to it than Igor being pony, ALOT more
    Powell would often come in for stick about substitutions and negativity, but from what I've seen so far - Bob is MUCH more one-dimensional and negative in his tactics than Powell ever was for us.

    I suspect his man management skills were a notch above as well, but then again we all know that.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,176
    I think the comments on here about how we've been found out are accurate. When teams weren't prepared for us we attacked quickly and efficiently but after teams started pressuring Buyens from the goal kick and giving us hell on the ball we collapsed and started relying on Igor's goals and large amounts of luck. Once both of those dried up our shortcomings became clear and teams have started punishing us. Our inability to kill games has started hovering over us and there are some games we would have seen out in previous years that we can't now which is really frustrating. It's not a lot of fun to watch and Bob's lack of tactical nous is quite irritating but we're still doing ok. We're not in the drop zone and if we thieve a few more wins in the next two months we'll look much better. Hopefully we'll get some investment in January that will give us the chance to see what Bob can do with a proper squad at his disposal. Then we'll know one way or the other.
  • seriously_red
    seriously_red Posts: 5,741
    Scoham said:

    I want to see how he does with the 2/3 signings we need. As has been talked about for months we have no option of a target man up front. I also feel we lack something in midfield, whether that's a playmaker, a goalscorer or ball winner. We clearly don't have enough cover in other positions, Pope and Fox haven't been convincing or consistent enough, while Gomez and KAG are still very young, we don't want to be relying on them if we get a few injuries in their positions. Then we've got a few signings that haven't added what we hoped in Bulot, Tucudean and Moussa.

    I don't blame him for trying something different at times. He'd be critisized more had he kept things exactly as they were in the first few games of the season. He's also limited by our small squad.

    I agree that Peeters early start deserves a crack with reinforcements but he need to buy time with a win.

    We should find out soon enough if Watt and Ajdarevic are signing on loan. However I would add that Gomez is solid and that Solly at left back is a good option until Wiggins back (which is when?)

    Our issues are still midfield which the arrival and subsequent departure of Coquelin demonstrated so, so clearly.

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