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  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,783
    Those articles say Wales would've been above England if we hadn't won on Sunday. So, as we did win, what is our ranking now, as presumably we're back in the top ten?
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,150
    lordromford said:

    Those articles say Wales would've been above England if we hadn't won on Sunday. So, as we did win, what is our ranking now, as presumably we're back in the top ten?

    Not necessarily. If other teams that were already ahead of us had won, at least some would stay ahead of us, wouldn't they?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    Think there is a bit of confusion here... Wales by beating Belgium wont be one of the top 10 nations in the world they'll be one of the top 10 European nations.

    Means that Brazil / Argentina / Colombia / Costa Rica / United States et al will still be ahead of them so it means they'll be in the World top 20 now (with England probably back ahead of Costa Rica)
  • Salad
    Salad Posts: 10,189
    edited July 2015
    Seems like 4 qualifying points against Belgium ranks better than beating Brazil & Argentina in Copa America last month.
    Based on 2015 ranking points, Wales (817) are comfortably the best team of 2015, with Romania (786) second.

    1. Argentina
    2. Germany
    3. Belgium
    4. Columbia
    5. Holland
    6. Brazil
    7. Portugal
    8. Romania
    9. England
    10. Wales
    11. Chile
    12. Spain
    ...
    17. Italy
    ...
    29. Scotland
    http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/
  • Fiiish
    Fiiish Posts: 7,998
    The ranking is used purely for seeding purposes, right? It does not actually mean that Belgium is better than Spain, it is done on form with some adjustment based on your opponent's ranking, if my understanding is correct?
  • Salad
    Salad Posts: 10,189
    possibly for deciding qualifying groups, in tournaments I think past tournament performance is more important
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    ForeverAddickted said:

    Think there is a bit of confusion here... Wales by beating Belgium wont be one of the top 10 nations in the world they'll be one of the top 10 European nations.

    Means that Brazil / Argentina / Colombia / Costa Rica / United States et al will still be ahead of them so it means they'll be in the World top 20 now (with England probably back ahead of Costa Rica)

    Ermmmm....

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  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,150
    Salad said:

    possibly for deciding qualifying groups, in tournaments I think past tournament performance is more important

    No its not, the top 7 teams in October 13 (plus hosts, Brazil) were seeded for Brazil 2014.
  • smudge7946
    smudge7946 Posts: 4,131
    So are FIFA suggesting that Simon Church is a member of the 10th best national team in the world.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Simon Brodkin (Lee Nelson) strikes again.
    Blatter man didn't know his arse from his Elbow.
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  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    Wales up to 9th

    1. Argentina
    2. Belgium
    3. Germany
    4. Colombia
    5. Brazil
    6. Portugal
    7. Romania
    8. England
    9. Wales
    10. Chile
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,168
    edited August 2015
    So Chile win the Copa America, beating 1st placed Argentina in the final and are still behind Wales (and England), not to mention Brazil and Colombia who they beat to the cup?

    I know it's been said many times and I know there are some calculations underpinning them before but these rankings always seem so counterintuitive.
  • IA
    IA Posts: 6,103
    How did Romania get into the top 10? Can't remember them beating any big teams although they (along with everyone else incl the Faroe Islands) may have beaten Greece.
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,150
    Just had a quick peep at Wiki. According to the records on there, Romania's only "successes" against other top ranked sides that are still relevant to the rankings (ie within the past 4 years) are a 0-0 draw with France in a qualifier back in 2011, a 2-1 defeat of Belgium in a friendly and another 0-0 in a friendly with Argentina. They failed to qualify for Euro 2012 or Brazil 14.

    They have managed draws with the might of Greece, Northern Ireland, Slovakia, Hungary (twice), Belarus and Albania, as well as losing to Slovenia, Turkey, Greece and Algeria...

    Baffling.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,978
    Belgium still up there pretending to be a good side I see.
  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167

    Here's the latest:
    FIFA RANKINGS FOR OCTOBER
    1. Germany (1)
    2. Brazil (2)
    3. Portugal (3)
    4. Argentina (4)
    5. Belgium (5)
    6. Poland (6)
    7. France (8)
    8. Spain (11)
    9. Chile (9)
    10. Peru (12)
    11. Switzerland (7)
    12. England (15)
    13. Colombia (10)
    14. Wales (13)
    15. Italy (17)
    16. Mexico (14)
    17. Uruguay (16)
    18. Croatia (18)
    19. Denmark (26)
    20. Holland (29)


    Usual crap, The Netherlands have gone UP 9 places despite failing to qualify for their second successive major tournament. How does that work?

    So we won't be seeded in the WC group stage, could be a blessing. I think we play better against bigger teams.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    Riviera said:


    Here's the latest:
    FIFA RANKINGS FOR OCTOBER
    1. Germany (1)
    2. Brazil (2)
    3. Portugal (3)
    4. Argentina (4)
    5. Belgium (5)
    6. Poland (6)
    7. France (8)
    8. Spain (11)
    9. Chile (9)
    10. Peru (12)
    11. Switzerland (7)
    12. England (15)
    13. Colombia (10)
    14. Wales (13)
    15. Italy (17)
    16. Mexico (14)
    17. Uruguay (16)
    18. Croatia (18)
    19. Denmark (26)
    20. Holland (29)


    Usual crap, The Netherlands have gone UP 9 places despite failing to qualify for their second successive major tournament. How does that work?

    So we won't be seeded in the WC group stage, could be a blessing. I think we play better against bigger teams.

    Depends if we're drawn with Poland or Belgium who are also seeded, neither of whom are better than England (the latter are probably on a par - whilst Poland are nothing without Lewandowski)

    Being in the same Group as Germany or Argentina would be brilliant to watch

    Have a feeling we'll end up with Russia though
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    Riviera said:


    Here's the latest:
    FIFA RANKINGS FOR OCTOBER
    1. Germany (1)
    2. Brazil (2)
    3. Portugal (3)
    4. Argentina (4)
    5. Belgium (5)
    6. Poland (6)
    7. France (8)
    8. Spain (11)
    9. Chile (9)
    10. Peru (12)
    11. Switzerland (7)
    12. England (15)
    13. Colombia (10)
    14. Wales (13)
    15. Italy (17)
    16. Mexico (14)
    17. Uruguay (16)
    18. Croatia (18)
    19. Denmark (26)
    20. Holland (29)


    Usual crap, The Netherlands have gone UP 9 places despite failing to qualify for their second successive major tournament. How does that work?

    So we won't be seeded in the WC group stage, could be a blessing. I think we play better against bigger teams.

    That defeat for N Ireland against Norway has potentially cost them dearly, as it enabled Denmark to overtake them and be a seeded team
  • C_A_F_C
    C_A_F_C Posts: 3,866
    Riviera said:



    Usual crap, The Netherlands have gone UP 9 places despite failing to qualify for their second successive major tournament. How does that work?

    Well they won the two games they've played since the last ranking.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    C_A_F_C said:

    Riviera said:



    Usual crap, The Netherlands have gone UP 9 places despite failing to qualify for their second successive major tournament. How does that work?

    Well they won the two games they've played since the last ranking.
    Only strange case is they appear to have jumped ahead of Iceland who also won two games

    I can only presume that Holland got more points Iceland because the former beat Belarus and Sweden which equal as better results than what the latter managed (i.e. they only beat Turkey and Kosovo)
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  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    ForeverAddickted said:

    C_A_F_C said:

    Riviera said:



    Usual crap, The Netherlands have gone UP 9 places despite failing to qualify for their second successive major tournament. How does that work?

    Well they won the two games they've played since the last ranking.
    Only strange case is they appear to have jumped ahead of Iceland who also won two games

    I can only presume that Holland got more points Iceland because the former beat Belarus and Sweden which equal as better results than what the latter managed (i.e. they only beat Turkey and Kosovo)
    Yeah I think that's how it works, more points for beating higher ranked teams.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    edited December 2022
    Post WC rankings to be released on Thursday but now we have the formula, some clever people have worked it all out ahead of time:

    1. Brazil (NC)
    2. Argentina (+1)
    3. France (+1)
    4. Belgium (-2)
    5. England (NC)
    6. Netherlands (+2)
    7. Croatia (+5)
    8. Italy (-2)
    9. Portugal (NC)
    10. Spain (-3)
    11. Morocco (+11)
    12. Switzerland (+3)
    13. USA (+3)
    14. Germany (-3)
    15. Mexico (-2)
    16. Uruguay (-2)
    17. Colombia (NC)
    18. Denmark (-8)
    19. Senegal (-1)
    20. Japan (+4)

    27. Australia (+11)
    28. Wales (-9)
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    edited December 2022
    I always preferred the World Football Elo Ratings which, if you’re interested, have this top 20…

    1. Argentina
    2. Brazil
    3. France
    4. Netherlands
    5. Portugal
    6. Spain
    7. Italy
    8. England
    9. Germany
    10. Croatia
    11. Belgium
    12. Colombia
    13. Uruguay
    14. Denmark
    15. Switzerland
    16. Morocco
    17. Peru
    18. Japan
    19. Ecuador
    20. Serbia

  • jacob_CAFC
    jacob_CAFC Posts: 2,063
    How can Brazil be above France 
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,843
    jacob_CAFC said:
    How can Brazil be above France 

    Conmebol qualifying - Played 17 won 14 drew 3
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    bobmunro said:
    jacob_CAFC said:
    How can Brazil be above France 

    Conmebol qualifying - Played 17 won 14 drew 3
    Also finished second in the Copa America last year...

    France bowed out of the Euros at the same time of year, but @ the Round of 16
  • johnnybev1987
    johnnybev1987 Posts: 11,410
    Callumcafc said:
    I always preferred the World Football Elo Ratings which, if you’re interested, have this top 20…

    1. Argentina
    2. Brazil
    3. France
    4. Netherlands
    5. Portugal
    6. Spain
    7. Italy
    8. England
    9. Germany
    10. Croatia
    11. Belgium
    12. Colombia
    13. Uruguay
    14. Denmark
    15. Switzerland
    16. Morocco
    17. Peru
    18. Japan
    19. Ecuador
    20. Serbia

    Nope prefer the other one, although both are slightly out. How are Portugal 5th? 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    Callumcafc said:
    Post WC rankings to be released on Thursday but now we have the formula, some clever people have worked it all out ahead of time:

    1. Brazil (NC)
    2. Argentina (+1)
    3. France (+1)
    4. Belgium (-2)
    5. England (NC)
    6. Netherlands (+2)
    7. Croatia (+5)
    8. Italy (-2)
    9. Portugal (NC)
    10. Spain (-3)
    11. Morocco (+11)
    12. Switzerland (+3)
    13. USA (+3)
    14. Germany (-3)
    15. Mexico (-2)
    16. Uruguay (-2)
    17. Colombia (NC)
    18. Denmark (-8)
    19. Senegal (-1)
    20. Japan (+4)

    27. Australia (+11)
    28. Wales (-9)
    Wales below Australia, Strewth!
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,010
    Callumcafc said:
    I always preferred the World Football Elo Ratings which, if you’re interested, have this top 20…

    1. Argentina
    2. Brazil
    3. France
    4. Netherlands
    5. Portugal
    6. Spain
    7. Italy
    8. England
    9. Germany
    10. Croatia
    11. Belgium
    12. Colombia
    13. Uruguay
    14. Denmark
    15. Switzerland
    16. Morocco
    17. Peru
    18. Japan
    19. Ecuador
    20. Serbia

    How are Peru in 17th?

    Senegal not in the top 20 despite winning the AFCON and making the last 16 of the world cup?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    Callumcafc said:
    Post WC rankings to be released on Thursday but now we have the formula, some clever people have worked it all out ahead of time:

    1. Brazil (NC)
    2. Argentina (+1)
    3. France (+1)
    4. Belgium (-2)
    5. England (NC)
    6. Netherlands (+2)
    7. Croatia (+5)
    8. Italy (-2)
    9. Portugal (NC)
    10. Spain (-3)
    11. Morocco (+11)
    12. Switzerland (+3)
    13. USA (+3)
    14. Germany (-3)
    15. Mexico (-2)
    16. Uruguay (-2)
    17. Colombia (NC)
    18. Denmark (-8)
    19. Senegal (-1)
    20. Japan (+4)

    27. Australia (+11)
    28. Wales (-9)
    I always think that the FIFA Rankings should have an auto reset after each World Cup

    Lower rankings are harder for the teams that dont qualify etc. Plus you've got the likes of Italy who only won the Euros a year ago, so my "theory" already has its challenges... But feel like we should be the 6th best team in the world at the moment.

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