Fraeye Speaks - Another disgruntled ex-employee

cafcfan · February 2016

So, what were the terms of his contract? He must have had one as he came from a non-network club.
I'm guessing he must have got a lump sum otherwise he'd still be getting paid by RD and would have kept his mouth shut.
Shambles.

ForeverAddickted · February 2016

Henry Irving said:

cafc999 said:
Pure spin

Karel, you scouted the players and you had no idea how to motivate a team.

You were also never just an interim manager and you even went as far as putting pen to paper on a contract (one of the reasons why it never got published was because of the results)

No one is fooled karel
This a 100%

Too late now Fraeye to disown the network and the role you played in it from before Powell was sacked and even before Roland bought the club.

Spin as much as you like but you were the scout and you had a contract too.

Of course he always had a Contract before the Interim job... Why else would he have had a Clause in his VVV Hamme Contract stating that he could leave them if ever Roland snapped his fingers.

Would be like me having a clause in my future marriage contract stating I could divorce my wife if a hot Page 3 model came calling but there's no point having that Clause because I know it would never happen

ForeverAddickted · February 2016

ForeverAddickted said:

Henry Irving said:

cafc999 said:
Pure spin

Karel, you scouted the players and you had no idea how to motivate a team.

You were also never just an interim manager and you even went as far as putting pen to paper on a contract (one of the reasons why it never got published was because of the results)

No one is fooled karel
This a 100%

Too late now Fraeye to disown the network and the role you played in it from before Powell was sacked and even before Roland bought the club.

Spin as much as you like but you were the scout and you had a contract too.
Of course he always had a Contract before the Interim job... Why else would he have had a Clause in his VVV Hamme Contract stating that he could leave them if ever Roland snapped his fingers.

Would be like me having a clause in my future marriage contract stating I could divorce my wife if a hot Page 3 model came calling but there's no point having that Clause because I know it would never happen

P.S. People do know me and my fiancee so dont want the above clause / information getting back to her lol!

killerandflash · February 2016

On the Sunday evening the club decided that a loss against Huddersfield would mean he was out.

So presumably they started sending feelers out on Monday to potential successors? Was this when they first contacted Jose?

MuttleyCAFC · February 2016

I think the first point we have to acknowledge is that Fraeye was not a good manager and shouldn’t have been appointed in the first place. That he doesn’t have qualities to offer the game is not fair and almost certainly untrue. He has lifted the lid on some difficulties he faced – he clearly wanted to strengthen the team, but played the corporate line and told us the team was strong enough. He set himself up to be a fall guy. I think it is true that a great manager would have struggled with the squad he had, but he clearly was not maximising use of the squad in my eyes. What was the impact of this? – possibly 4 or 5 points over his rein.

I think it is a bit laughable to take the credit for blooding Lookman. It did seem like a bit of a no brainer at the time. It is yet another tale of a manager who leaves a little bitter about his treatment. Duchatelet, this is not the way to run a club. We now have a proper manager –appointed more through desperation than common sense – but I can take that. Riga needs to be backed by the owner and not undermined by him and his faceless ‘experts’ within the network.

Fraeye should have gone much sooner, but all the same, his interview has re-affirmed why we are protesting. The ownership has to not sit snuggly blaming everybody else. They have made a right pigs ear of things, and they have not optimised the money they have spent – wasting far too much of it.

I think we are now at a point where a truce between supporters and the regime could be found. It won’t be, because it would involve them being open and honest and acknowledging the mistakes they have made, and re-assuring us that Riga will be backed and they have learned from them – they are not good and identifying the problem and accepting it is them. Meire is a fool who can tut tut fans who simply want more money spent, but she is inventing the issue. It isn’t the money, but how it is spent that we object to. We object to it, because it is damaging our club. Of course there are issues off the pitch too, but I think 80% of the owner’s plan makes sense. It’s the 20% that will kill us if he continues on his crazy path. He just needs to bring in a CEO who knows what they are doing, can say the right things to the fans, and to use the fact that probably the most knowledgable and able member of his network happens to be managing us at the moment. Trust that and let him manage with the support he says he needs. This will make things look a lot brighter and it will actually work out cheaper! I think it is a forlorn hope by the way.

Garrymanilow · February 2016

It's actually really impressive that throughout that entire long interview he managed to accept exactly zero blame for anything that went wrong during his disastrous reign. He did however describe him self as 'brave enough to put him on the bench' - while also blaming injuries for his failings, which is the only reason he turned to Lookman in the first place, blames the players for not being good enough despite making his ridiculous 'we only need eleven players and a smile' statements, blames KM and RD entirely for his inability to get players to win football matches, talks up Yann even though when he was brought in to evaluate the squad for Roland he obviously didn't see much use in him two years ago and mopes about his interim tag, even though he had to have the interim tag because his lack of experience, charisma and ability to set out a cohesive team precludes him from ever getting near a permanent appointment. Fraeye's appointment was so heinous even RD and KM knew they couldn't give him the full job, unlike with Luzon, Peeters and Riga.

And of course, possibly my favourite, 'Brighton and Bolton were key moments, if we had won those two games then no one talks about it'. We know that Karel. And if you'd won every single game you'd be sitting on a five year contract. Win every single game after that and within a few years you're Premier League champion. But we didn't win them, because it turns out a team featuring four strikers and some children can't hold on to a lead, so we got one point out of 6 and the cycle of failure continued.

There's been a creeping narrative recently that Karel was a poor manager but an ok bloke and we should be nicer to him. Sod that. He was there watching when Powell was sacked, he was there when Riga first came in and he was sitting in Luzon's chair within hours of his sacking. He's been a constant presence during this horrible Belgian reign, he's a crap coach and it turns out a total coward both in the heat of the moment at Huddersfield and even when he's had time and distance to take stock and admit his failings. Pathetic. I hope he does get another job in England so we can stick 6 past his 1-2-7 formation and show him just what a clown he is.

ForeverAddickted · February 2016

I'm still certain that Lookman ONLY came into the First Team because Jason Euell was promoted

Henry Irving · February 2016

Fumbluff said:

Henry Irving said:

cafc999 said:
Pure spin

Karel, you scouted the players and you had no idea how to motivate a team.

You were also never just an interim manager and you even went as far as putting pen to paper on a contract (one of the reasons why it never got published was because of the results)

No one is fooled karel
This a 100%

Too late now Fraeye to disown the network and the role you played in it from before Powell was sacked and even before Roland bought the club.

Spin as much as you like but you were the scout and you had a contract too.
If only it was possible to lol a flag

A flag from @Desperate_Pete is a LOL

Pete tried to pretend he'd met Fraeye once at Cray Wanderers and thought he was a good guy and so all his views on KF came from that.
Only it seems that it was a lot more than that. Desperate had Fraeye's phones number, was most likely getting bits of spin along with free tickets and lounge passes to pass on here. Never an objective fan giving his view but Karel's mouthpiece.

And in all those conversations and cosy chats that Pete had with Fraeye, when Fraeye insisted he wasn't scouting for the network (except he has now admitted that his was) Pete never thought to ask the obvious questions - "If you weren't the one scouting the players before Powell was sacked what were you doing at the Valley and who was scouting and recommending the players?"

seth plum · February 2016

It is telling that a group of people discussed him behind a closed door, then called him in after ten minutes.
Pretty shabby if you ask me.

Oh_Yoni_Boy · February 2016

I don't think Fraeye was at all a good enough manager to keep us up - when you look at how we were set up under him, the way we crumbled under pressure and the malaise of the whole team, some of whom are actually pretty good.

That said, I think he was set up to fail with the interim tag and really up against it to see out the season, and when we lost a load of key players he had no chance because they were propping him up - yeah, a win at Brighton or home to Bolton would have delayed the inevitable - but even with fit players I think he was really going to struggle to make it to May/June.

I don't even really begrudge him any bitterness towards the fans if he's harbouring it, because he didn't for one minute have any backing and took some real flak on the sideline, some of which was on behalf of the owners - he was just the personification of the regime we've come to know and love. Hope he does well in the future, but he ain't getting a job in the Championship (or probably League 1) so he can stop those delusions.

Garrymanilow · February 2016

Henry Irving said:

Fumbluff said:

Henry Irving said:

cafc999 said:
Pure spin

Karel, you scouted the players and you had no idea how to motivate a team.

You were also never just an interim manager and you even went as far as putting pen to paper on a contract (one of the reasons why it never got published was because of the results)

No one is fooled karel
This a 100%

Too late now Fraeye to disown the network and the role you played in it from before Powell was sacked and even before Roland bought the club.

Spin as much as you like but you were the scout and you had a contract too.
If only it was possible to lol a flag
A flag from @Desperate_Pete is a LOL

Pete tried to pretend he'd met Fraeye once at Cray Wanderers and thought he was a good guy and so all his views on KF came from that.
Only it seems that it was a lot more than that. Desperate had Fraeye's phones number, was most likely getting bits of spin along with free tickets and lounge passes to pass on here. Never an objective fan giving his view but Karel's mouthpiece.

And in all those conversations and cosy chats that Pete had with Fraeye, when Fraeye insisted he wasn't scouting for the network (except he has now admitted that his was) Pete never thought to ask the obvious questions - "If you weren't the one scouting the players before Powell was sacked what were you doing at the Valley and who was scouting and recommending the players?"

I wonder how many flags Pete can dish out before the end of the day. I briefly started to think he actually was Karel but I don't know if I'd trust Karel to be able to remember his log in details consistently enough to keep posting what a nice man he is every other day on here

daveydanger · February 2016

seth plum said:
It is telling that a group of people discussed him behind a closed door, then called him in after ten minutes.
Pretty shabby if you ask me.

Absolutely shambolic, in fact.

Chris_from_Sidcup · February 2016

“After ten minutes, they called me in telling me in front of the players that the players fully backed me and that a managerial change would be seen as a bad decision. "

I simply cannot believe that any of the players backed him and wanted him to stay.

Redrobo · February 2016

So he knows what we all knew at the start of the season. We have a competitive first team, but no depth in the squad.

He is right in what he says about the interim bit, but should have told the press that no search was underway so it is me. From what he is saying that would have helped him and the players move forward and may have kept him his job. Can you imagine a proper manager excepting this? I can almost hear Warnock slaping down the press and then smiling as if it was of no consequence .

However, the fundamental mistake he made was in not insisting on player recruitment. This interview just confirms he is too weak to be a manager.

Garrymanilow · February 2016

Chris_from_Sidcup said:
“After ten minutes, they called me in telling me in front of the players that the players fully backed me and that a managerial change would be seen as a bad decision. "

I simply cannot believe that any of the players backed him and wanted him to stay.

I thought it was quite telling that the focus of the players' opinion seemed to be on signings. I get the feeling - and in this case it is just that - that rather than backing Fraeye the players were saying that it doesn't matter if you sack Fraeye or not if new players aren't brought in to strengthen the squad. Fraeye's read that as them believing in him but you can just as easily say that there's nothing in the interview to say that they actually said Karel was the man for the job and if they had said that I would have thought Karel would make it known. He certainly manages to talk the rest of his time up

Desperate_Pete · February 2016

Henry Irving said:

Fumbluff said:

Henry Irving said:

cafc999 said:
Pure spin

Karel, you scouted the players and you had no idea how to motivate a team.

You were also never just an interim manager and you even went as far as putting pen to paper on a contract (one of the reasons why it never got published was because of the results)

No one is fooled karel
This a 100%

Too late now Fraeye to disown the network and the role you played in it from before Powell was sacked and even before Roland bought the club.

Spin as much as you like but you were the scout and you had a contract too.
If only it was possible to lol a flag
A flag from @Desperate_Pete is a LOL

Pete tried to pretend he'd met Fraeye once at Cray Wanderers and thought he was a good guy and so all his views on KF came from that.
Only it seems that it was a lot more than that. Desperate had Fraeye's phones number, was most likely getting bits of spin along with free tickets and lounge passes to pass on here. Never an objective fan giving his view but Karel's mouthpiece.

And in all those conversations and cosy chats that Pete had with Fraeye, when Fraeye insisted he wasn't scouting for the network (except he has now admitted that his was) Pete never thought to ask the obvious questions - "If you weren't the one scouting the players before Powell was sacked what were you doing at the Valley and who was scouting and recommending the players?"

I know I should not bite but Henry you have a bile inducing way of imagining what happens in any area where you know absolutely fuck all. I understand that you do not like to be questioned about your 'knowledge' of all things relating to Charlton so I will try and leave you alone to your 'thoughts'!
Incidentally I have tried to flag you before yet somehow they disappear.......

ShootersHillGuru · February 2016

Out of his depth certainly but it would seem that he like all the others was shafted and not given the level of support needed to do the job.

The regime is the real worry. How long before Jose is undermined and calls it a day ?

Henry Irving · February 2016

Desperate_Pete said:

Henry Irving said:

Fumbluff said:

Henry Irving said:

cafc999 said:
Pure spin

Karel, you scouted the players and you had no idea how to motivate a team.

You were also never just an interim manager and you even went as far as putting pen to paper on a contract (one of the reasons why it never got published was because of the results)

No one is fooled karel
This a 100%

Too late now Fraeye to disown the network and the role you played in it from before Powell was sacked and even before Roland bought the club.

Spin as much as you like but you were the scout and you had a contract too.
If only it was possible to lol a flag
A flag from @Desperate_Pete is a LOL

Pete tried to pretend he'd met Fraeye once at Cray Wanderers and thought he was a good guy and so all his views on KF came from that.
Only it seems that it was a lot more than that. Desperate had Fraeye's phones number, was most likely getting bits of spin along with free tickets and lounge passes to pass on here. Never an objective fan giving his view but Karel's mouthpiece.

And in all those conversations and cosy chats that Pete had with Fraeye, when Fraeye insisted he wasn't scouting for the network (except he has now admitted that his was) Pete never thought to ask the obvious questions - "If you weren't the one scouting the players before Powell was sacked what were you doing at the Valley and who was scouting and recommending the players?"
I know I should not bite but Henry you have a bile inducing way of imagining what happens in any area where you know absolutely fuck all. I understand that you do not like to be questioned about your 'knowledge' of all things relating to Charlton so I will try and leave you alone to your 'thoughts'!
Incidentally I have tried to flag you before yet somehow they disappear.......

No answers no responses, no defence of KF, just more personal attacks on me.

You'll have to ask admin why the flags disappear as only they can remove them and I'm not admin. Nice try insinuating that I removed the flags but wrong again.

WestCountryAddick · February 2016

I think this reflects particularly badly on KM and RM. It seems that even after the Colchester game, they were willing to give him more time, it's crazy. One of the most hopeless managers we've ever seen, and they continued to back him. Not a braincell between them, clearly.

In general though, the article is just Fraeye uttering excuses, as usual.

C4FC4L1f3 · February 2016

Are we sure this is still CAFC? I swear Tonbridge angels are more organised than this lot!

what a shambles the management team sound.

We all agree on an approach - then Rolland over rules!

CharltonByBlood · February 2016

I feel sorry for the bloke,

About 15 years ago I went for a job I should never have got nor was i qualified for it. I was a MASSIVE step up from where i was, nevertheless I was offered it and I took it knowing i was up against it from the start, but its what i wanted to do. Luckily 15 years down the line I've had 3 promotions and life couldn't be better - Sometimes these things pay off.

Think what I'm trying to say is put yourself in Karel's shoes, if offered a chance to manage in the championship when you are in Belgian third tier would you turn down the chance to go to London and England's 2nd tier, of-course not.

Now I'm not saying it was the right decision from the board or saying he was good enough etc. I just think he gets alot of stick for just doing what you and i would do, He seems to get hated just for taking the job which is blinding us from the real problem.

Seemed a nice guy when i met him twice last year, and i personally hope he goes on to have a good career in football, but please let's not just throw pointless abuse at the guy for taking a job he was unqualified for... i happens nearly everyday.

Again, he shouldn't of been appointed, but neither should I, lets look at the real problems like backing hin one day and sacking him the next day, he could do this with people like Riga ... there's the real problem in all this.

Henry Irving · February 2016

se9addick said:

Weegie Addick said:

se9addick said:
So Katrien & Richard Murray apparently said;

"even with Mourinho, it would be hard to keep the team up"

Very interesting.
So they really are now relying on our Jose to be the special one...

Ha, maybe that's what they meant.

I just think it's funny that this is all happening at the same time that KM is bleating on about spending £9m on players. If we believe her then she's spent that £9m pretty bloody badly is the squad is so poor that one of the worlds best managers couldn't save us.

That is a telling point.

We've spent £9m, we want to be competitive in the Championship but we've built a team so bad we tell our then current manager that even one of the best managers in the world wouldn't be able to avoid relegation.

What does that say about your management Katrien? What does that tell you about the your player recruitment Katrien? What does that tell you about Roland's masterplan Katrien?

ValleyGary · February 2016

“They said that even with Mourinho, it would be hard to keep the team up. We all agreed with the board and myself that the team needed more strengthening.''

She's a wise one young Katrien.

Plum.

PaddyP17 · February 2016

Henry Irving said:

Desperate_Pete said:

Henry Irving said:

Fumbluff said:

Henry Irving said:

cafc999 said:
Pure spin

Karel, you scouted the players and you had no idea how to motivate a team.

You were also never just an interim manager and you even went as far as putting pen to paper on a contract (one of the reasons why it never got published was because of the results)

No one is fooled karel
This a 100%

Too late now Fraeye to disown the network and the role you played in it from before Powell was sacked and even before Roland bought the club.

Spin as much as you like but you were the scout and you had a contract too.
If only it was possible to lol a flag
A flag from @Desperate_Pete is a LOL

Pete tried to pretend he'd met Fraeye once at Cray Wanderers and thought he was a good guy and so all his views on KF came from that.
Only it seems that it was a lot more than that. Desperate had Fraeye's phones number, was most likely getting bits of spin along with free tickets and lounge passes to pass on here. Never an objective fan giving his view but Karel's mouthpiece.

And in all those conversations and cosy chats that Pete had with Fraeye, when Fraeye insisted he wasn't scouting for the network (except he has now admitted that his was) Pete never thought to ask the obvious questions - "If you weren't the one scouting the players before Powell was sacked what were you doing at the Valley and who was scouting and recommending the players?"
I know I should not bite but Henry you have a bile inducing way of imagining what happens in any area where you know absolutely fuck all. I understand that you do not like to be questioned about your 'knowledge' of all things relating to Charlton so I will try and leave you alone to your 'thoughts'!
Incidentally I have tried to flag you before yet somehow they disappear.......
No answers no responses, no defence of KF, just more personal attacks on me.

You'll have to ask admin why the flags disappear as only they can remove them and I'm not admin. Nice try insinuating that I removed the flags but wrong again.

Henry man while I agree with you in this instance, it's a bit fucking rich for you to be calling someone out for an ad hominem...

Henry Irving · February 2016

CharltonByBlood said:
I feel sorry for the bloke,

About 15 years ago I went for a job I should never have got nor was i qualified for it. I was a MASSIVE step up from where i was, nevertheless I was offered it and I took it knowing i was up against it from the start,but its what i wanted to do. Luckily 15 years down the line I've had 3 promotions and life couldn't be better - Sometimes these things pay off.

Think what I'm trying to say is put yourself in Karel's shoes, if offered a chance to manage in the championship when you are in Belgian third tier would you turn down the chance to go to London and England's 2nd tier, of-course not.

Now I'm not saying it was the right decision from the board or saying he was good enough etc. I just think he gets alot of stick for just doing what you and i would do, He seems to get hated just for taking the job which is blinding us from the real problem.

Seemed a nice guy when i met him twice last year, and i personally hope he goes on to have a good career in football, but please let's not just throw pointless abuse at the guy for taking a job he was unqualified for... i happens nearly everyday.

Again, he shouldn't of been appointed, but neither should I, lets look at the real problems like backing hin one day and sacking him the next day, he could do this with people like Riga ... there's the real problem in all this.

Good points and I bear him no ill will for taking the job.

People say he is a nice guy when they meet him and work with him and I don't doubt that.

But he was heavily involved in player recruitment.

WestCountryAddick · February 2016

CharltonByBlood said:
I feel sorry for the bloke,

About 15 years ago I went for a job I should never have got nor was i qualified for it. I was a MASSIVE step up from where i was, nevertheless I was offered it and I took it knowing i was up against it from the start,but its what i wanted to do. Luckily 15 years down the line I've had 3 promotions and life couldn't be better - Sometimes these things pay off.

Think what I'm trying to say is put yourself in Karel's shoes, if offered a chance to manage in the championship when you are in Belgian third tier would you turn down the chance to go to London and England's 2nd tier, of-course not.

Now I'm not saying it was the right decision from the board or saying he was good enough etc. I just think he gets alot of stick for just doing what you and i would do, He seems to get hated just for taking the job which is blinding us from the real problem.

Seemed a nice guy when i met him twice last year, and i personally hope he goes on to have a good career in football, but please let's not just throw pointless abuse at the guy for taking a job he was unqualified for... i happens nearly everyday.

Again, he shouldn't of been appointed, but neither should I, lets look at the real problems like backing hin one day and sacking him the next day, he could do this with people like Riga ... there's the real problem in all this.

I have no sympathy. Fraeye had been lingering around the club like a bad smell, right from the start. There were too many stories about his meddling behind the scenes for it to be all coincidence. Clearly he wanted this job for some time, and I'm kind of glad that RD eventually gave him a shot, because he failed and is now completely out of the picture.

Now, of course the same thing could happen to Riga, but if he went on a run as bad as Fraeye, the vast majority of the fans would want Riga gone anyway. I'm more concerned that RM and KM wanted to keep Fraeye in the job, even after he proved he was one of the worst managers in our history.

Henry Irving · February 2016

PaddyP17 said:

Henry Irving said:

Desperate_Pete said:

Henry Irving said:

Fumbluff said:

Henry Irving said:

cafc999 said:
Pure spin

Karel, you scouted the players and you had no idea how to motivate a team.

You were also never just an interim manager and you even went as far as putting pen to paper on a contract (one of the reasons why it never got published was because of the results)

No one is fooled karel
This a 100%

Too late now Fraeye to disown the network and the role you played in it from before Powell was sacked and even before Roland bought the club.

Spin as much as you like but you were the scout and you had a contract too.
If only it was possible to lol a flag
A flag from @Desperate_Pete is a LOL

Pete tried to pretend he'd met Fraeye once at Cray Wanderers and thought he was a good guy and so all his views on KF came from that.
Only it seems that it was a lot more than that. Desperate had Fraeye's phones number, was most likely getting bits of spin along with free tickets and lounge passes to pass on here. Never an objective fan giving his view but Karel's mouthpiece.

And in all those conversations and cosy chats that Pete had with Fraeye, when Fraeye insisted he wasn't scouting for the network (except he has now admitted that his was) Pete never thought to ask the obvious questions - "If you weren't the one scouting the players before Powell was sacked what were you doing at the Valley and who was scouting and recommending the players?"
I know I should not bite but Henry you have a bile inducing way of imagining what happens in any area where you know absolutely fuck all. I understand that you do not like to be questioned about your 'knowledge' of all things relating to Charlton so I will try and leave you alone to your 'thoughts'!
Incidentally I have tried to flag you before yet somehow they disappear.......
No answers no responses, no defence of KF, just more personal attacks on me.

You'll have to ask admin why the flags disappear as only they can remove them and I'm not admin. Nice try insinuating that I removed the flags but wrong again.
Henry man while I agree with you in this instance, it's a bit fucking rich for you to be calling someone out for an ad hominem...

You're wrong but I won't flag you :- )

Lazy_eye_metaphor · February 2016

Whatever he says I'm just so glad he's gone. The worst manager I've ever known at The Valley by far.

So he wants to work in England again? I suggest he looks for vacancies in the Kent League or whatever it is these days. That's if he can hack it in those lofty heights.

Pedro45 · February 2016

" Just an open communication on what the plans were.”

Even Carol wants the board to be honest and up front! SPELL IT OUT IN BLACK AND WHITE!

Missed It · February 2016

One thing that does come across, in general and after reading that interview, is that when Ms Meire eventually tries to do the right thing she is constantly over-ruled by M. Duchatelet. He seems to be the worst possible combination of absentee and micro-managing owner.

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