Deaths of horses at Cheltenham race course
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I am aware that some people care adequately for horses. I have pointed out that three horses have died today at the festival. Having been hit by a car and seriously injured as a result, I campaign for safer cycling and promote the work of RoadPeace.killer kish said:If you really believe what you are saying Anna kissed you really haven't a clue about a day at the races or anything to do with racehorses and how they are looked after and cared for.Your comments could stand for most things in life like cars for one instance causing deaths so should we ban them?
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I'd say it's a lot more than some Anna kissed,I'm around racehorses a lot and know how cared and loved they are0
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I'm now terrified to cycle on the roads and spent 30 years cycling so all praise to your work promoting RoadPeace0
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There are some very apt user names on this site.1
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Be careful of the furballs
Careful of furballs, they're a bugger if they get stuck in your throat.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
I'm partial to a bit of pussy an all, if I'm brutally honestValleyGary said:
And you shag cats. We can't all be perfect.iainment said:
I assume you're either someone who enjoys seeing animals killed for no reason or you have a gambling problem.killer kish said:Yes iainment wonderful world full of idiots nice of you to join them
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I'd like to try horse meat, has anyone had it before?
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Most need to lube up I've heard but you'll be fine after that stint in Wormwood Scrubs mate.cafcdave123 said:I'd like to try horse meat, has anyone had it before?
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If I counted right there were 115 horses running at Cheltenham today. So three dying is a little under 3%.
If the comparison with Formula One Grand Prix racing is to be made in terms of risk to life, then by my rough calculation with 20 starters each Grand Prix it would be close to one driver death every two races...which doesn't happen.
Jockeys fall and get injured as well as horse deaths at Cheltenham, however they know what they're getting into, like Grand Prix drivers.
I really don't think it is worth comparing the risk to horses to the risks in other sports. Do other sports see close to 3% fatalities? I can't think of one, possibly the closest is Boxing.
National Hunt racing ought to be looked at for what it is as a stand alone. Today nearly 3% of participants lost their lives.1 -
So you're an anarchist, but you want national hunt racing banned and more rules for safer cyclingAnna_Kissed said:
I am aware that some people care adequately for horses. I have pointed out that three horses have died today at the festival. Having been hit by a car and seriously injured as a result, I campaign for safer cycling and promote the work of RoadPeace.killer kish said:If you really believe what you are saying Anna kissed you really haven't a clue about a day at the races or anything to do with racehorses and how they are looked after and cared for.Your comments could stand for most things in life like cars for one instance causing deaths so should we ban them?
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Just a note on racing horses, Racing is all they know, as much as i hard for people to hear there aren't pets, They are purely bread to race (it's there job). They are treated better then most pets as they cost a lot to own/train etc
Unfortunately these deaths happen, and if they are put down it's done for the animals best interest, they are all athletes and are amazing to watch/hear a horse is full gallop1 -
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The Trouble with Horse Racing - an Animal Aid report (2012)
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Actually you'd need to look at 115 different race drivers.seth plum said:If I counted right there were 115 horses running at Cheltenham today. So three dying is a little under 3%.
If the comparison with Formula One Grand Prix racing is to be made in terms of risk to life, then by my rough calculation with 20 starters each Grand Prix it would be close to one driver death every two races...which doesn't happen.
Jockeys fall and get injured as well as horse deaths at Cheltenham, however they know what they're getting into, like Grand Prix drivers.
I really don't think it is worth comparing the risk to horses to the risks in other sports. Do other sports see close to 3% fatalities? I can't think of one, possibly the closest is Boxing.
National Hunt racing ought to be looked at for what it is as a stand alone. Today nearly 3% of participants lost their lives.
In Indycar and Formula 1 in the past 5 years there has been 3 fatalities, Bianchi, Wheldon and Wilson, in the past 5 years in both disciplines I doubt there has been much more than 115 drivers0 -
Serious question. Where would the 119 horses due to run today and indeed the horses entered at the other meetings, be, if not in the care of racehorse trainers ?0
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Is this absolutely true? If they cost a lot to own and train is it in the interests of cutting costs that they are put down? I wouldn't want the animals to suffer, but with all the money sloshing around horse racing does it mean that horse medicine is so poorly advanced that there is no way to help these animals to survive, even if their racing days are over?Gumbo said:Just a note on racing horses, Racing is all they know, as much as i hard for people to hear there aren't pets, They are purely bread to race (it's there job). They are treated better then most pets as they cost a lot to own/train etc
Unfortunately these deaths happen, and if they are put down it's done for the animals best interest, they are all athletes and are amazing to watch/hear a horse is full gallop
Does much funding go into researching this area?
I mean not long ago a footballers ACL going, would mean the end, but there have been significant advances with that injury.
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On a dinner plate somewhere Alan but that's fine because they didn't die on a racecourse!0
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At home watching Neighboursalan dugdale said:Serious question. Where would the 119 horses due to run today and indeed the horses entered at the other meetings, be, if not in the care of racehorse trainers ?
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In @iainment 's cat's foodalan dugdale said:Serious question. Where would the 119 horses due to run today and indeed the horses entered at the other meetings, be, if not in the care of racehorse trainers ?
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I am comparing starts in Formula one races with starts in National Hunt races.sam3110 said:
Actually you'd need to look at 115 different race drivers.seth plum said:If I counted right there were 115 horses running at Cheltenham today. So three dying is a little under 3%.
If the comparison with Formula One Grand Prix racing is to be made in terms of risk to life, then by my rough calculation with 20 starters each Grand Prix it would be close to one driver death every two races...which doesn't happen.
Jockeys fall and get injured as well as horse deaths at Cheltenham, however they know what they're getting into, like Grand Prix drivers.
I really don't think it is worth comparing the risk to horses to the risks in other sports. Do other sports see close to 3% fatalities? I can't think of one, possibly the closest is Boxing.
National Hunt racing ought to be looked at for what it is as a stand alone. Today nearly 3% of participants lost their lives.
In Indycar and Formula 1 in the past 5 years there has been 3 fatalities, Bianchi, Wheldon and Wilson, in the past 5 years in both disciplines I doubt there has been much more than 115 drivers
I don't think you would need to find 115 drivers for the comparison to be valid. Anyway my point is that comparisons are not valid, the risk in each sport to the participants is of a different order.0 -
Having a cultural day out at the ballet at Saddlers Wells?alan dugdale said:Serious question. Where would the 119 horses due to run today and indeed the horses entered at the other meetings, be, if not in the care of racehorse trainers ?
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No it's not about cutting costs. I part owned a horse which suffered a very serious injury last year. He didn't fall, the injury occurred in running and would have happened wherever he had been.seth plum said:
Is this absolutely true? If they cost a lot to own and train is it in the interests of cutting costs that they are put down? I wouldn't want the animals to suffer, but with all the money sloshing around horse racing does it mean that horse medicine is so poorly advanced that there is no way to help these animals to survive, even if their racing days are over?Gumbo said:Just a note on racing horses, Racing is all they know, as much as i hard for people to hear there aren't pets, They are purely bread to race (it's there job). They are treated better then most pets as they cost a lot to own/train etc
Unfortunately these deaths happen, and if they are put down it's done for the animals best interest, they are all athletes and are amazing to watch/hear a horse is full gallop
Does much funding go into researching this area?
I mean not long ago a footballers ACL going, would mean the end, but there have been significant advances with that injury.
The on course vet reacted quickly enough to save the horse by putting the leg in plaster but it was touch and go for a few days as to whether he would survive.
He did survive and is now resident at an equine charity stables in Sussex.
Myself and the other owners made and continue to make donations to that charity, so no it's not about cost.2 -
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Canterbury?alan dugdale said:Serious question. Where would the 119 horses due to run today and indeed the horses entered at the other meetings, be, if not in the care of racehorse trainers ?
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Thing is horses love running, they thrive under the jockey when being pushed to there limit. Would be different if they they were forced into it and treated badly in training etc but there not. They love it . Just a sad thing that some are unlucky and these things happen.1
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ApologistMiserableoldgit said:Apologies for my rudeness AFKA.
Thank you.3 -
I think that you'll find that more horses die running around fields or paddocks. Perhaps we should ban horses from running? They are fragile creatures and, when running, you've got the pressure of half a ton of animal on one leg at any given time.Anna_Kissed said:And another death on Day One
Pont Alexandre (GER)
A gelding, aged 8
Jockey: Mr P W Mullins
Experience: Amateur
Discipline: National Hunt Novice Chase
Cause of death: Broke Hind Leg - Destroyed
horsedeathwatch.com/index.php
They are bred to race and they actually enjoy what they do. If it wasn't for racing they wouldn't exist.3 -
I dont get the "they wouldn't otherwise be born argument". Neither would be veal calves... I doubt they are too happy about it0
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Makes you look so pale and deathly though mate!!!sam3110 said:Horses that wouldn't exist if the sport they are involved in didn't exist, and truly love the thrill of running in a pack, looked after in world class facilities being groomed, fed and generally looked after 100000 times better than the majority of people in the world, and we should ban it all because a minority of them die doing what they love?
Ban motor sports then
Ban any sport that someone has ever died in
Ban all things that breed animals for a specific purpose, like Zoos, Pony and Donkey rides, breeding for pets as well as the stuff like breeding for testing and circuses.
Ban animals being held in captivity for any reason
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Would you rather die at 40, having lived in a mansion your whole life, eating Michelin star food on a daily basis and getting noshed off by Cheryl Cole on request, or die at 99 with nothing to your name and living on the street your whole life? Same logic applies.0
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Anyone got a video of Cheryl Cole noshing horses off I can borrow?9
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Trolling a troll doesn't count... This thread was only made to get a nibble, we're just giving them what they're after.Miserableoldgit said:Thanks @killerkish @smiffyboy @sam3110 @ValleyGary @CAFCsayer for proving that sometimes @PL54 isn't the only troll on here.
I'm sure you've made him a happy chappie tonight.1 -
That is bullshit. Or perhaps horse shit.CAFCsayer said:Would you rather die at 40, having lived in a mansion your whole life, eating Michelin star food on a daily basis and getting noshed off by Cheryl Cole on request, or die at 99 with nothing to your name and living on the street your whole life? Same logic applies.
Is the thinking that these animals are bread to be raced and death is an unfortunate side effect ?0
