It has been explained by some earlier in this thread, that the racing set up is arranged so that humans can give a chance for horses to do what they love doing. Not sure how many horses love to be castrated, but there you go.
There's two opinions here neither of which will agree with each other so just agree to disagree and move on. This is after all about Charlton Life and there's a fair bit going on at the moment I believe......
Leave this thread for those it's intended for please, like we kindly ask for these sort of posts to stay out of the other horse racing threads that others enjoy, thank you
It has been explained by some earlier in this thread, that the racing set up is arranged so that humans can give a chance for horses to do what they love doing. Not sure how many horses love to be castrated, but there you go.
We castrate dogs and cats, do you think people should be up in arms about that?
Horses are powerful beasts, if they didn't want to run, they wouldn't run. It's their instinct to run with the herd
People are entitled to voice there own thoughts,feelings and opinions its just shame that do so without knowing the true facts or just say things to just try and wind people up.
If you don't want to be wound up I would suggest you look at the thread title and stay out.
People are entitled to voice there own thoughts,feelings and opinions its just shame that do so without knowing the true facts or just say things to just try and wind people up.
If you don't want to be wound up I would suggest you look at the thread title and stay out.
As you did last night on the Ascot Ticket thread ????
Why is there a thread on charltonlife that isn't allowed to be debated ? Why are only one side allowed on here ?
I'm fine with debate, Alan. Some moans occurred when, in the past, I posted on a Cheltenham thread. It was requested that I stopped doing so, and I complied. I posted the following about this, earlier this week: 'This time last year, I posted the (factually correct) news about the deaths of horses at the Cheltenham Festival on the CL Cheltenham Festival thread. AFKA requested that I didn't continue to post on that thread - to which I readily agreed - and, instead, I started a new, separate, thread, bringing the sad side of horseracing to the attention of anyone who cared to read it.'
This thread is about reporting the facts that the mainstream media ignores. I've just heard the Sports Report on BBC London and the 6 o'clock News on Radio 4. Not a mention of a death on either. And so it goes. Being of the opinion that this sanitisation by the establishment is unacceptable, I do the reporting myself.
Thanks for the answer, I didn't realise the thread's origins.
Cheers. Being a public forum, people can post what they like - and usually do. I was being respectful of the Moderator. I'm not into wind-ups and point-scoring. I say let the facts speak for themselves.
Iainment I'm not wound up why can't I express my thoughts just like Anna kissed? My Daughter has severe learning difficulties and loves horses and goes horse riding every week the centres horses are ex race horses and the centre have said they couldn't keep going without the ex race horses and help from various charities tied in with horse racing.As mentioned my horse that was badly injured helps with visits from disabled children and adults so I guess it's still all about making money then Anna kissed?
People are entitled to voice there own thoughts,feelings and opinions its just shame that do so without knowing the true facts or just say things to just try and wind people up.
If you don't want to be wound up I would suggest you look at the thread title and stay out.
As you did last night on the Ascot Ticket thread ????
Iainment I'm not wound up why can't I express my thoughts just like Anna kissed? My Daughter has severe learning difficulties and loves horses and goes horse riding every week the centres horses are ex race horses and the centre have said they couldn't keep going without the ex race horses and help from various charities tied in with horse racing.As mentioned my horse that was badly injured helps with visits from disabled children and adults so I guess it's still all about making money then Anna kissed?
How do you try to put a sensible argument. These people live in their own little world, where everything is perfect and nothing bad never happens. Trying to convince them otherwise is like.........trying to flog a dead horse.
People are entitled to voice there own thoughts,feelings and opinions its just shame that do so without knowing the true facts or just say things to just try and wind people up.
If you don't want to be wound up I would suggest you look at the thread title and stay out.
As you did last night on the Ascot Ticket thread ????
But I wasn't wound up was I?
No idea. I just read something about a horse sized coffin which I assume was intended to get a reaction. Either way it wasn't particularly relevant to the thread.
It has been explained by some earlier in this thread, that the racing set up is arranged so that humans can give a chance for horses to do what they love doing. Not sure how many horses love to be castrated, but there you go.
We castrate dogs and cats, do you think people should be up in arms about that?
Horses are powerful beasts, if they didn't want to run, they wouldn't run. It's their instinct to run with the herd
My point is about how some posters say that horses are doing something they love. I follow that up by asking if those same people also know that horses like being castrated. What i suppose i am asking is how on earth do people know that horses love National Hunt racing any more than they would know that horses love being castrated or not.
This is about castration, but strangely enough it doesn't say whether horses love it or not. Castration: From Stallion to Gelding
Castration is a surgical procedure performed by a veterinarian that is defined as the removal of the testicles of a male horse. The procedure can be accomplished through sedation and local anesthesia in a standing position or through general anesthesia and the horse lying on its side (lateral recumbency). This procedure is typically performed once the horse is skeletally mature to reap the beneficial effects of testosterone.
Why Castration may be Necessary
This procedure is typically performed on colts to make them more manageable and easier to train. Castration is also necessary if the horse has minimal breeding value. In horses with potential breeding value, castration may be delayed to determine if the horse has enough performance ability to make him attractive as a future sire.
A growing concern for the unwanted horse has also increased the need for castration. The goal, as a horse owner, is to act responsibly. The plight of the unwanted horse is a growing welfare issue. The Unwanted Horse Coalition, a broad alliance of national equine organizations joined together under the American Horse Council, is working to educate industry groups and help people learn to “own responsibly.” Colts that possess undesirable traits should be gelded as to not pass these traits on to their offspring.
Undesirable Traits
In some breed organizations, various traits are often undesirable, but horses that possess these traits are not prevented from participating in events.
Behavioral Problems
Stallions are constantly exposed to testosterone and can be aggressive and potentially dangerous to other horses and people. A mature, intact male horse may become progressively more aggressive and difficult to train as he becomes older. Some reports indicate that if horses are left intact too long, as many as 65 percent may continue to express the undesirable traits as learned behavior.
Cryptorchidism
In some horses, the timing of castration is accelerated due to a condition referred to as cryptorchidism. Cryptorchidism is the retention of one (unilateral) or both (bilateral) testicles. A horse that is cryptorchid is also referred to in layman’s terms as a “ridgling,” a “rig” or a “high flanker.” Non-descended testicles have reduced fertility or are completely sterile as their retention in the inguinal canal makes them ineffective at producing sperm because of the higher temperature. However, retained testicles produce the same amount of testosterone, so stallion-like behavior will remain the same. This trait has long been considered heritable and may be genetically transferred to offspring.
The Procedure
In preparation for gelding, the horse should be in good health and current on deworming and immunizations, particularly tetanus. If the horse has never received vaccinations, owners are advised to vaccinate the horse using vaccines recommended by the attending veterinarian and wait two weeks after vaccination to perform the castration procedure.
When anesthetics were unpredictable, with a narrow safety margin, most horses were castrated standing. However, with today’s safe and effective short-term anesthetics, most horses are gelded anesthetized while lying on the ground. A new technique for retrieving cryptorchid testicles is through a minimally invasive approach using laparoscopy. During this procedure, a laparoscope (a fiber-optic camera) enters through a small incision in a standing horse’s flank. Another hole is pierced for the instruments. The veterinarian can see what the camera sees through a monitor. The horse will have a much smaller incision on the flank to heal instead of a wound in the belly. The procedure is very atraumatic to the horse since he is standing throughout the entire procedure.
Post-Surgery
Following castration, horses should receive a tetanus toxoid booster (if vaccinations are current) or both tetanus toxoid and a tetanus antitoxin injection if the horse has never been vaccinated. Your veterinarian may administer antibiotics/NSAIDS (antiinflammatories) to your horse after surgery. Your veterinarian will advise you on what he/she feels is best for your individual horse. If flies are still in season, it is a good idea to apply an insect repellant immediately after the castration surgery.
Shelter
It is recommended that the horse be placed in a small paddock or stall for 12 to 24 hours for observation to ensure adequate clotting. If the horse is to be stalled, bed the enclosure with fresh shavings or straw.
Exercise
Beginning the day after surgery, the horse should be exercised at a trot or on an automatic walker for at least 15 to 20 minutes twice a day to avoid swelling and stimulate drainage of any post-surgical fluid that may have accumulated in the swollen scrotum. Exercise should continue for about two weeks or until healing is complete.
Complications
Post-surgical complications can occur but are rare. The most common is excessive swelling of the scrotum that can extend down into the lower hind legs. If increased exercise does not resolve the problem, contact your veterinarian. In rare instances, the horse has an unusually large inguinal ring in which intestines may protrude from the incision. This usually occurs within a few hours of the surgical procedure but can happen days later. If this occurs, consider it a true emergency and contact your veterinarian immediately.
Behavior
Depending upon the horse’s age and maturity level, it may take several weeks for the testosterone levels to decrease. Aggression, especially to other horses, may still be seen for this short period of time. However, stallions castrated after maturity (six years old or older), especially those that have bred mares, may continue to possess stallion-like behavior, which could include the development of an erection and an attempt to mount and breed mares in estrus.
Semen remains in the horse’s accessory sex glands and the portion of the vas deferens not removed during surgery. There is usually enough present for one ejaculation. Therefore, gelded mature horses should be quarantined from mares for 14 to 30 days post-surgery.
Positive Perspective of Castration
Horse owners can promote equine welfare by becoming educated on castration practices and working proactively to address widespread concerns of the unwanted horse.
If the goal is to continue to improve a breed and minimize the number of horses that fail to meet expectations, the surgical procedure of castration should be utilized to decrease the number of unwanted horses. Horse owners can act responsibly by putting the horse first.
A vegan wouldn't eat Quorn, they use egg in a lot of their range.
And not heroic either. More like principled, compassionate and with a belief that all sentient beings are worthy of being treated with respect and dignity rather than just seen as a commodity to be used or a slab of meat to feed some human.
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Not sure how many horses love to be castrated, but there you go.
There's two opinions here neither of which will agree with each other so just agree to disagree and move on. This is after all about Charlton Life and there's a fair bit going on at the moment I believe......
#JustSaying
Perhaps a thirs debating thread it needed?
Horses are powerful beasts, if they didn't want to run, they wouldn't run. It's their instinct to run with the herd
Well whoop-di-doo.
I bet your shit doesn't smell either.
Either way it wasn't particularly relevant to the thread.
I follow that up by asking if those same people also know that horses like being castrated.
What i suppose i am asking is how on earth do people know that horses love National Hunt racing any more than they would know that horses love being castrated or not.
This is about castration, but strangely enough it doesn't say whether horses love it or not.
Castration: From Stallion to Gelding
Castration is a surgical procedure performed by a veterinarian that is defined as the removal of the testicles of a male horse. The procedure can be accomplished through sedation and local anesthesia in a standing position or through general anesthesia and the horse lying on its side (lateral recumbency). This procedure is typically performed once the horse is skeletally mature to reap the beneficial effects of testosterone.
Why Castration may be Necessary
This procedure is typically performed on colts to make them more manageable and easier to train. Castration is also necessary if the horse has minimal breeding value. In horses with potential breeding value, castration may be delayed to determine if the horse has enough performance ability to make him attractive as a future sire.
A growing concern for the unwanted horse has also increased the need for castration. The goal, as a horse owner, is to act responsibly. The plight of the unwanted horse is a growing welfare issue. The Unwanted Horse Coalition, a broad alliance of national equine organizations joined together under the American Horse Council, is working to educate industry groups and help people learn to “own responsibly.” Colts that possess undesirable traits should be gelded as to not pass these traits on to their offspring.
Undesirable Traits
In some breed organizations, various traits are often undesirable, but horses that possess these traits are not prevented from participating in events.
Behavioral Problems
Stallions are constantly exposed to testosterone and can be aggressive and potentially dangerous to other horses and people. A mature, intact male horse may become progressively more aggressive and difficult to train as he becomes older. Some reports indicate that if horses are left intact too long, as many as 65 percent may continue to express the undesirable traits as learned behavior.
Cryptorchidism
In some horses, the timing of castration is accelerated due to a condition referred to as cryptorchidism. Cryptorchidism is the retention of one (unilateral) or both (bilateral) testicles. A horse that is cryptorchid is also referred to in layman’s terms as a “ridgling,” a “rig” or a “high flanker.” Non-descended testicles have reduced fertility or are completely sterile as their retention in the inguinal canal makes them ineffective at producing sperm because of the higher temperature. However, retained testicles produce the same amount of testosterone, so stallion-like behavior will remain the same. This trait has long been considered heritable and may be genetically transferred to offspring.
The Procedure
In preparation for gelding, the horse should be in good health and current on deworming and immunizations, particularly tetanus. If the horse has never received vaccinations, owners are advised to vaccinate the horse using vaccines recommended by the attending veterinarian and wait two weeks after vaccination to perform the castration procedure.
When anesthetics were unpredictable, with a narrow safety margin, most horses were castrated standing. However, with today’s safe and effective short-term anesthetics, most horses are gelded anesthetized while lying on the ground. A new technique for retrieving cryptorchid testicles is through a minimally invasive approach using laparoscopy. During this procedure, a laparoscope (a fiber-optic camera) enters through a small incision in a standing horse’s flank. Another hole is pierced for the instruments. The veterinarian can see what the camera sees through a monitor. The horse will have a much smaller incision on the flank to heal instead of a wound in the belly. The procedure is very atraumatic to the horse since he is standing throughout the entire procedure.
Post-Surgery
Following castration, horses should receive a tetanus toxoid booster (if vaccinations are current) or both tetanus toxoid and a tetanus antitoxin injection if the horse has never been vaccinated. Your veterinarian may administer antibiotics/NSAIDS (antiinflammatories) to your horse after surgery. Your veterinarian will advise you on what he/she feels is best for your individual horse. If flies are still in season, it is a good idea to apply an insect repellant immediately after the castration surgery.
Shelter
It is recommended that the horse be placed in a small paddock or stall for 12 to 24 hours for observation to ensure adequate clotting. If the horse is to be stalled, bed the enclosure with fresh shavings or straw.
Exercise
Beginning the day after surgery, the horse should be exercised at a trot or on an automatic walker for at least 15 to 20 minutes twice a day to avoid swelling and stimulate drainage of any post-surgical fluid that may have accumulated in the swollen scrotum. Exercise should continue for about two weeks or until healing is complete.
Complications
Post-surgical complications can occur but are rare. The most common is excessive swelling of the scrotum that can extend down into the lower hind legs. If increased exercise does not resolve the problem, contact your veterinarian. In rare instances, the horse has an unusually large inguinal ring in which intestines may protrude from the incision. This usually occurs within a few hours of the surgical procedure but can happen days later. If this occurs, consider it a true emergency and contact your veterinarian immediately.
Behavior
Depending upon the horse’s age and maturity level, it may take several weeks for the testosterone levels to decrease. Aggression, especially to other horses, may still be seen for this short period of time. However, stallions castrated after maturity (six years old or older), especially those that have bred mares, may continue to possess stallion-like behavior, which could include the development of an erection and an attempt to mount and breed mares in estrus.
Semen remains in the horse’s accessory sex glands and the portion of the vas deferens not removed during surgery. There is usually enough present for one ejaculation. Therefore, gelded mature horses should be quarantined from mares for 14 to 30 days post-surgery.
Positive Perspective of Castration
Horse owners can promote equine welfare by becoming educated on castration practices and working proactively to address widespread concerns of the unwanted horse.
If the goal is to continue to improve a breed and minimize the number of horses that fail to meet expectations, the surgical procedure of castration should be utilized to decrease the number of unwanted horses. Horse owners can act responsibly by putting the horse first.
He's been all tofu, beans and quorn since 1998.
What a hero.
Also, in the post surgery section I'd add a part about not riding a bike for a fortnight.
A vegan wouldn't eat Quorn, they use egg in a lot of their range.
And not heroic either. More like principled, compassionate and with a belief that all sentient beings are worthy of being treated with respect and dignity rather than just seen as a commodity to be used or a slab of meat to feed some human.