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When he came in, I stated frequently that I supported the network concept combined with FFP.i_b_b_o_r_g said:What would it take, if anything, for people to change their minds on the Owner?
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Ok, the diluting of FFP destroyed that, but I had to admit I was wrong about him and changed my mind.2 -
We'll I'd have thought that if he did, she'd have no choice?Airman Brown said:
Corrected that for you.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
It weren't meant as an argument mate, I don't think fans have got to be one or the other.Henry Irving said:
I have already changed my mind.i_b_b_o_r_g said:What would it take, if anything, for people to change their minds on the Owner?
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I thought it would be a "bumpy ride" early on as he got use to English football but it would be OK after three years as he had money. Realised I was wrong, All the evidence was negative bar the training ground and now even that had been stalled, his plans were mad and most likely so was he so changed my mind.
Same questions to the pro-Roland fans? What would it take to change your minds?
I'd personally love to see him go but from the evidence put in front of us, both from the media and people who have had indepth convos with KM, it all points to the fact that she ain't got any intentions of going anywhere any time soon.0 -
Replace meire with a competent CEO.i_b_b_o_r_g said:What would it take, if anything, for people to change their minds on the Owner?
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Back the manager properly in the transfer window.
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the annoying thing about it is that Roland could easily supply the funds to get a decent manager and build a good team in this league.i_b_b_o_r_g said:What would it take, if anything, for people to change their minds on the Owner?
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Nah, power. Think you're thinking of t'jouleseth plum said:
Is it Yorkshire for a unit of energy?WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
I take it you know what a "twat" is?SoundAsa£ said:
We've already got something we regret you twat!!!!WhenIwasLittleBoy said:Don't wish for something you might regret.
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Knew that a-level would come in handy1
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If you go back to the Varney emails, it's pretty clear that she was not willing to have that meeting and that was her choice, not RD's, at least until the whole thing became public.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
We'll I'd have thought that if he did, she'd have no choice?Airman Brown said:
Corrected that for you.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
It weren't meant as an argument mate, I don't think fans have got to be one or the other.Henry Irving said:
I have already changed my mind.i_b_b_o_r_g said:What would it take, if anything, for people to change their minds on the Owner?
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I thought it would be a "bumpy ride" early on as he got use to English football but it would be OK after three years as he had money. Realised I was wrong, All the evidence was negative bar the training ground and now even that had been stalled, his plans were mad and most likely so was he so changed my mind.
Same questions to the pro-Roland fans? What would it take to change your minds?
I'd personally love to see him go but from the evidence put in front of us, both from the media and people who have had indepth convos with KM, it all points to the fact that she ain't got any intentions of going anywhere any time soon.1 -
I love the sentiment behind the post title and I'll be supporting the team next season .. BUT, of course, there is a BUT ..
for the past few seasons as soon as the fixture lists were published, I have picked out a dozen or so away games and a few home games and booked hotels, sometimes trains and made arrangements for a day or three away in exotic locations such as Shrewsbury, Oldham, Milton Keynes and downtown Charlton ..
after the dross served up for the past two seasons, I am going to be FAR more selective in my choice of games and how far I will travel next season .. hopefully I will save myself a lot of boredom (oh so many 1-1s) and a lot of money .. I am still an eternal optimist and will revise my plans depending on who we sign and the times and dates of selected away games ... Come on You Addicks !!!!1 -
Don't know about changing my mind. But winning the next 120 games in a row would stop me thinking about the owner.i_b_b_o_r_g said:What would it take, if anything, for people to change their minds on the Owner?
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This is indeed a serious answer.1 -
Hypothetically:i_b_b_o_r_g said:What would it take, if anything, for people to change their minds on the Owner?
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1. He'd have to demonstrate in word and deed that he was committed to competitive football and to the long term future of CAFC and that he'd try his damnedest to get the club/team heading in the right direction.
2. He'd have to get rid of Meire and all the other sycophantic incompetents that currently hold positions of power at The Valley.
3. He'd have to put in place a proper structure where football related needs drove the organisation of the club, not some mysterious personal need for him to be the new Alan Turing. People with a genuine knowledge of the game and expertise/experience in their particular jobs would be employed in well defined roles. They would be given the time, resources and personal support from the boss to be successful in their jobs.
4. He'd have to attend matches on a regular basis, and demonstrate his support for the club.
5. He would personally have to engage in genuine dialogue with the fans via the Supporters Trust.
6. He would have to retract his insulting comments about fans and publicly acknowledge the importance of the fans to any successful football club.
7. He would need to be open about his plans for the club.
8. He would have to demonstrate that he was personally honest and trustworthy and had no truck with the lies that have come from his regime.
As things stand, he's currently scoring 0/8 on my scale of demands. I've seen no reason to believe that he has any desire to move on any of them. Instead he is stuck in a world were he arrogantly believes he knows better than anybody else and that he has no need to to seek the advice or help of others. Meanwhile, I'm stuck in a world where I would not trust him as far as I could fling him.
So I guess a more shorter and rather more realistic answer would be: Nothing!
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Absolutely no interference with team affairs whatsoever. The only decision he gets anywhere near is whether he agrees to sign the cheque for the players the manager has chosen.i_b_b_o_r_g said:What would it take, if anything, for people to change their minds on the Owner?
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He gets rid of Driesen.
He gets rid of Miere.
He gets rid of Keohane.
He turns up to more games than he misses.
He talks to the fans.
That's a start, I am sure there are more.13 -
Too much water under the bridge and too many lies. I simply cannot trust anything Duchatalet or Squirrel Face says.i_b_b_o_r_g said:What would it take, if anything, for people to change their minds on the Owner?
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But if we were told he was here forever and asked what would be needed as a minimum ... then Meire has to go and he has to start behaving as an interested owner and not an absentee landlord playing with the club as if it was some half-forgotten toy. And appoint a manger who he might not agree with all the time but who is given freedom to manage.4 -
Time to stop feeding the troll ...WhenIwasLittleBoy said:Then why say you don't give up?? If you got something to say with relevance then say it but you don't make sense. Another Johnny come lately that has never seen the 70's and 80's with a proper shit team, derelict ground not a pot to piss in
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Worthy of a separate thread for a proper discussion.i_b_b_o_r_g said:What would it take, if anything, for people to change their minds on the Owner?
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That is a very reasonable point, but I think Henry's analogy holds up - relationships aren't rational, they are things driven by complex feelings, emotions, circumstances, etc. Many things you can work through if you have the will.WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Did I say you don't support the team and if so where did I say it??Henry Irving said:
Are you saying I don't support the team? What evidence do you have for that?WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Not at all. It's all well and good saying sell up but do we know who to? What the new owners intentions would be? What sort of funding they have?Henry Irving said:
Good, you're a fan.WhenIwasLittleBoy said:The reason I ain't been going is for personal reasons. However I still had bought a season ticket.
But so am I and I didn't buy a season ticket after nearly 40 years of having one.
It's not a competition, we're all fans, lots of us have seen hard times and good times before but that doesn't mean we have to just accept this terrible owner.
You're letting your hatred of a few CARD activists effect your judgement on this. You know regime is no good and is killing the club but you don't want to admit it because you think that means you agree with the people you hate.
It doesn't, it just makes you a fan.
Why not look at the money that has been spent and get behind the team?
I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team.
Fact is I do support the team at home and away so please don't pretend I don't or somehow your support is "better" because we can chat about Ricky Holmes if you like.
I don't know who the next owner will or how good they will be.
What I and most fans now realise is that this owner is no good. Hes hurting the club and the team and you said that yourself in the lib.
But if you are in a bad relationship you don't stick around because the next might be worst. You get out and find someone you hope will be better.
Did I say my support was better ??!
To compare a support for a team to relationship is lame however if you insist in doing so what you do do is work at it rather than walk away.
But let me tell you something my brief told me at the time of my divorce: it takes two people to make a marriage and if one of you aren't in it any more, you simply don't have a marriage any more.
It's a fact that many many people offered to work with the club, for nothing, to help move things forward with them right from the start. Many of those involved with CARD did exactly that, me included, covering every aspect of the club's operation. Throughout the time I was on the Supporters' Trust board we spent literally hours a week trying to build the relationship, including putting a group together that would help the club with its strategy moving forward.
Even when the public meeting was held, people were still 'let's talk'.
It's taken a lot to get so many Charlton supporters protesting. CARD organises some events, WAR and the Belgian 20 organise others and there are loads of other people doing their own thing (the liar banner was the work of an individual protester, the 30 produced yesterday weren't directed by CARD, etc. etc.)
The thing is that many of us now have realised that the choice is not whether we can save the relationship but one of custody for the child. I for one see the owners as abusive parents in this metaphor - they are damaging the club I love and I will continue to do what is reasonable to try to persuade them to leave. Others have boundaries beyond mine, and some within - but in my humble view protesting is an act of love and support in itself.20 -
Spot on with the opening paragraph.mogodon said:
Too much water under the bridge and too many lies. I simply cannot trust anything Duchatalet or Squirrel Face says.i_b_b_o_r_g said:What would it take, if anything, for people to change their minds on the Owner?
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But if we were told he was here forever and asked what would be needed as a minimum ... then Meire has to go and he has to start behaving as an interested owner and not an absentee landlord playing with the club as if it was some half-forgotten toy. And appoint a manger who he might not agree with all the time but who is given freedom to manage.0 -
PropagandaWhenIwasLittleBoy said:Then you are gullible to believe left wing propgander
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We're not Huddersfield.seth plum said:
Don't know about changing my mind. But winning the next 120 games in a row would stop me thinking about the owner.i_b_b_o_r_g said:What would it take, if anything, for people to change their minds on the Owner?
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This is indeed a serious answer.
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Two questions to anyone that honestly is anti Roly but also anti protests.
1.If we all turned up every week and did not protest but watched the football, do you think Roland would be more or less likely you ensure we are run properly?
2. If you are as you state anti Roland then you should want him out, if the boycotted returned and nobody acted up, in your opinion would he more or less likely to sell?5 -
RD has no intention of wanting to win over the fans. If he did he would get rid of KM. she is toxic to the supporters , he knows that and does nothing.8
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This This and Thisrememberbillybonds said:RD has no intention of wanting to win over the fans. If he did he would get rid of KM. she is toxic to the supporters , he knows that and does nothing.
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Has @WhenIwasLittleBoy changed his mind yet?0
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1 less likelycfgs said:Two questions to anyone that honestly is anti Roly but also anti protests.
1.If we all turned up every week and did not protest but watched the football, do you think Roland would be more or less likely you ensure we are run properly?
2. If you are as you state anti Roland then you should want him out, if the boycotted returned and nobody acted up, in your opinion would he more or less likely to sell?
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I'm anti roland, anti card.
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Thanks for your honesty.clb74 said:
1 less likelycfgs said:Two questions to anyone that honestly is anti Roly but also anti protests.
1.If we all turned up every week and did not protest but watched the football, do you think Roland would be more or less likely you ensure we are run properly?
2. If you are as you state anti Roland then you should want him out, if the boycotted returned and nobody acted up, in your opinion would he more or less likely to sell?
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I'm anti roland, anti card.0 -
People who are on this forum are all fundamentally Charlton nuts.
Thery're not the ones who are the problem, whether they're pro or anti Roland.
The ones who are the real problem are those that are drifting away, that have lost interest, that have switched to other clubs. The ones that may never return.
Look at the make up of the crowd in any decent sized football match:
The away fans are all committed fans.
Amongst the home fans there'll be a reasonably high percentage of nutters (committed fans), a decent number of 'fair weather fans', and a not insignificant percentage who just like football, vaguely support the club, and are attending hope in the hope of watching a good game of football. There'll also be a few who don't care at all about either of the teams, but just want to get out of the house.
@WhenIwasLittleBoy you shouldn't blame the protesters. They clearly care about their club, almost by definition. You all want the same thing, which is a club that is going places, rather than one that's stagnating or heading off into a downward spiral. Even Roland wants the club to be 'successful', but his definition of successful is unfortunately very different to most football supporters' definition. The 'proposition of a unique fan experience' based on casual support, followed by a nice dance, just isn't going to cut the mustard down in SE7, especially as winning matches is so low on his list of priorities.
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Backing the manager so he can assemble a team worthy of promotion. BTW our best player this season is a left winger.2
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Charlton Life is a place where open debate and discussion is not just allowed but encouraged.
It's a great forum.
We are never all going to agree, and wouldn't it be dull if we did?
That said, I do find it annoying to have people offer me out over PM. Don't think it's necessary, desirable or helpful to the future success of the club.1 -
Much to my displeasure, I see a mess and and a muddle and I won't support it.
I wondered if I'd be anxious about the prospect of not watching CAFC play, but anxiety did not materilaise and my boycott has been liberating.
I keep tabs on results, league position, etc. (when I feel like it) and look forward to the day that The Meddler ceases his meddling.
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So what is your solution?clb74 said:
1 less likelycfgs said:Two questions to anyone that honestly is anti Roly but also anti protests.
1.If we all turned up every week and did not protest but watched the football, do you think Roland would be more or less likely you ensure we are run properly?
2. If you are as you state anti Roland then you should want him out, if the boycotted returned and nobody acted up, in your opinion would he more or less likely to sell?
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I'm anti roland, anti card.2 -
Don't regret wishing for something that we want...!!!WhenIwasLittleBoy said:Don't wish for something you might regret.
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