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The General Election - June 8th 2017

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  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Callumcafc said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Anyone see Emily "Sausage Fingers" Thornberry on The Marr Show this morning? What a hoot

    I thought her pointing out the fact that Fallon had attended Assad's election party in 2007 was great, myself.

    So you think that her pointing out that Fallon had been on an all party trip to meet Assad trumpe Corbyn's undenied support of the IRA? And do you also think that her replies to Marr over Corbyn's 2011 attack on the UN were satisfactory?

    The way she fumbles her way through interviews and gets "cross" when the interviewer puts something to her that she's not sure about, makes me doubt her Foreign Secretary credentials, meself
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    edited May 2017
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  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    There have been many points of view expressed in interviews by politicians across all parties that deserve to be criticised. Emily Thornberry's this morning on Marr are not amongst them.

    I'm glad her attack on Fallon has been widely publicised and applauded.

    I like Michael Fallon. I've met him: he's a nice person. But he's been shown up to be an absolute hypocrite this morning. And that's not a bad thing.
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Callumcafc said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Anyone see Emily "Sausage Fingers" Thornberry on The Marr Show this morning? What a hoot

    I thought her pointing out the fact that Fallon had attended Assad's election party in 2007 was great, myself.

    So you think that her pointing out that Fallon had been on an all party trip to meet Assad trumpe Corbyn's undenied support of the IRA? And do you also think that her replies to Marr over Corbyn's 2011 attack on the UN were satisfactory?

    The way she fumbles her way through interviews and gets "cross" when the interviewer puts something to her that she's not sure about, makes me doubt her Foreign Secretary credentials, meself
    Yes, but the Tories want to kill everyone.

    Children are dying. Let that sink in. Children are dying.

    Lastly, children are dying.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Chizz said:

    There have been many points of view expressed in interviews by politicians across all parties that deserve to be criticised. Emily Thornberry's this morning on Marr are not amongst them.

    I'm glad her attack on Fallon has been widely publicised and applauded.

    I like Michael Fallon. I've met him: he's a nice person. But he's been shown up to be an absolute hypocrite this morning. And that's not a bad thing.

    So has Corbyn also been shown up to be a hypocrite with regards to the NATO comments?
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Chizz said:

    There have been many points of view expressed in interviews by politicians across all parties that deserve to be criticised. Emily Thornberry's this morning on Marr are not amongst them.

    I'm glad her attack on Fallon has been widely publicised and applauded.

    I like Michael Fallon. I've met him: he's a nice person. But he's been shown up to be an absolute hypocrite this morning. And that's not a bad thing.

    So has Corbyn also been shown up to be a hypocrite with regards to the NATO comments?
    No. Corbyn wasn't on Marr this morning. Fallon was and was shown to be a hypocrite.
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,413
    edited May 2017
    Labour exist to hate The Tories. Every Labour MP starts their sentences with "The Tories want to...[some made up bullshit]"

    They represent nobody and should die as a party and let someone else take over.

    Not exclusive to Labour though, same sort of thing applies to the Tories too. People like Liz Truss are interchangable faces who stand for nothing. At least the Conservatives have some semi-sensible people in their party, people like David Davis, Jacob Rees-Mogg (national treasure) and Theresa May herself who can actually go on TV/radio and add up or not claim that Mao was a great man.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    lol
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    edited May 2017
    cafcnick1992 said:

    Labour Tories exist to hate The Tories poor people. Every Labour Tory MP starts their sentences with "The Tories Labour want to...[some made up bullshit]"

    They represent nobody rich people and should die as a party and let someone else take over.

  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    cafcnick1992 said:

    Labour exist to hate The Tories. Every Labour MP starts their sentences with "The Tories want to...[some made up bullshit]"

    They represent nobody and should die as a party and let someone else take over.

    It's cute how you're trying to look hard in front of your Reddit pals to whom you have linked this thread
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  • Fiiish
    Fiiish Posts: 7,998
    cafcnick1992 said:

    Labour exist to hate The Tories. Every Labour MP starts their sentences with "The Tories want to...[some made up bullshit]"

    They represent nobody and should die as a party and let someone else take over.

    Funny you whinging about made up bullshit in a post that is made up bullshit.
  • Cordoban Addick
    Cordoban Addick Posts: 5,448
    cafcnick1992 said:

    Labour exist to hate The Tories. Every Labour MP starts their sentences with "The Tories want to...[some made up bullshit]"

    They represent nobody and should die as a party and let someone else take over.

    Genuine question, were you born in 1992 or is it some kind of random number?

    I hope it is the latter because I would be embarrassed if my 11 year old was making comments like that.
  • Fiiish
    Fiiish Posts: 7,998
    So to all those desperately defending the Tories and that there was nothing they could have done to prevent the cyber attack, you might want to reconsider your slavish devotion to your Tory lords and masters...

  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    Cordoban Addick said:

    cafcnick1992 said:

    Labour exist to hate The Tories. Every Labour MP starts their sentences with "The Tories want to...[some made up bullshit]"

    They represent nobody and should die as a party and let someone else take over.

    Genuine question, were you born in 1992 or is it some kind of random number?

    I hope it is the latter because I would be embarrassed if my 11 year old was making comments like that.
    1992 + 11 = 2016.

    Thanks, Diane :wink:
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,413
    Leuth said:

    cafcnick1992 said:

    Labour exist to hate The Tories. Every Labour MP starts their sentences with "The Tories want to...[some made up bullshit]"

    They represent nobody and should die as a party and let someone else take over.

    It's cute how you're trying to look hard in front of your Reddit pals to whom you have linked this thread
    I don't think I've ever posted on Reddit in my life? Please explain this comment?
  • Bournemouth Addick
    Bournemouth Addick Posts: 16,283
    edited May 2017
    EveshamAddick said:

    Operation shrink the state: https://www.theguardian.com/global/2017/may/09/enemies-state-tory-project-shrink-public-services-schools-health-inspectors-book-dismembered

    As a public sector worker of over 30 years experience, including in some of the areas discussed in that article there's an awful lot I recognise as being 100% accurately reflecting what's going on at the moment. In my own area of work we've seen a reduction of 50% or more officers nationally since 2010. These people are not back office penpushers but providing front line services and out there dealing with the community every day.

    Over those 30 odd years it's become increasingly obvious that, for the most part, the majority of the public simply do not care their public services are being cut......until such time as it effects them. Then all hell breaks loose fingers get pointed and scapegoats found.

    Take my local area. The local council has been forced to close a number of public toilets. There simple is not the money in the budget to update and maintain all of them and frankly they should have been pulled down years ago. Some lesser used ones have had to go.

    The local rag has run a succession of stories and letters about how awful this is and decided to run a campaign to have them reopened (because it knows that it'll get lots of clicks on its website). What they don't point out is that 1800+ other public toilets have also gone in the last decade and this is a direct result of the cuts to local authority budgets the Tories and the coalition have pursued. The posts on their website are frankly embarrassing ranging from clichés about "it wouldn't happen in the real world", "they should cut more jobs/expenses/pensions, etc" through to suggestions it's been done through spite and to teach the public a lesson.

    Have they campaigned about the 100,000's of council workers that have lost their jobs since 2010? Of course not, because the public simply don't care that an EHO post has been cut and their butcher doesn't get inspected as often as it used to...until such time as there"s an E. coli outbreak.

    The British public have regularly shown they love a bit of austerity and budget cutting providing it never, ever effects them. When this does happen they then demonstrate a remarkable ability to disassociate their vote for austerity to the effects of austerity.

    So far the cuts we've seen in local government are as nothing to the utter shitestorm that's around the corner in the run up to the central grant being pulled completely. Chalk it up as hyperbole if you like but I see and experience the negative effects of the Tories austerity drive every day.
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,413
    edited May 2017
    Cordoban Addick said:

    cafcnick1992 said:

    Labour exist to hate The Tories. Every Labour MP starts their sentences with "The Tories want to...[some made up bullshit]"

    They represent nobody and should die as a party and let someone else take over.

    Genuine question, were you born in 1992 or is it some kind of random number?

    I hope it is the latter because I would be embarrassed if my 11 year old was making comments like that.
    You'd be embarrassed if your son recognised two dominant parties who exist to slag themselves off?

    That is the truth. All that happens during a general election is that the petty point scoring intensifies.
    Chizz said:

    cafcnick1992 said:

    Cordoban Addick said:

    cafcnick1992 said:

    Labour exist to hate The Tories. Every Labour MP starts their sentences with "The Tories want to...[some made up bullshit]"

    They represent nobody and should die as a party and let someone else take over.

    Genuine question, were you born in 1992 or is it some kind of random number?

    I hope it is the latter because I would be embarrassed if my 11 year old was making comments like that.
    You'd be embarrassed if your son recognised two dominant parties who exist to slag themselves off?

    That is the truth. All that happens during a general election is that the petty point scoring intensifies.
    Themselves?
    Each other! sorry.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    edited May 2017
    cafcnick1992 said:

    Cordoban Addick said:

    cafcnick1992 said:

    Labour exist to hate The Tories. Every Labour MP starts their sentences with "The Tories want to...[some made up bullshit]"

    They represent nobody and should die as a party and let someone else take over.

    Genuine question, were you born in 1992 or is it some kind of random number?

    I hope it is the latter because I would be embarrassed if my 11 year old was making comments like that.
    You'd be embarrassed if your son recognised two dominant parties who exist to slag themselves off?

    That is the truth. All that happens during a general election is that the petty point scoring intensifies.
    Themselves?
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,997
    Fiiish said:

    So to all those desperately defending the Tories and that there was nothing they could have done to prevent the cyber attack, you might want to reconsider your slavish devotion to your Tory lords and masters...

    Bloody impossible to know who to believe here.



    NHS Digital said that 4.7% of devices within the NHS use Windows XP, with the figure continuing to decrease.
    But Kingsley Manning, a former chairman of NHS Digital, said several hundred thousand computers were still running the out-of-date operating system.
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,413
    I imagine there is a lot of specialist software running in the NHS. A lot of proprietary software running under windows XP would be very expensive to re-write for windows 10. Any party would have not viewed it as essential expenditure.
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  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    #socialistsoftware
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,413
    I want @Leuth to explain this Reddit story.
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,277
    cafcnick1992 said:

    I imagine there is a lot of specialist software running in the NHS. A lot of proprietary software running under windows XP would be very expensive to re-write for windows 10. Any party would have not viewed it as essential expenditure.

    In which case they should have continued to stump up for the XP licensing so that those machines could continued to be patched when security holes were found.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    cafcnick1992 said:

    I want @Leuth to explain this Reddit story.

    Mate, you had doge as your sodding avatar for ages, don't tell me you don't know your internets
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,413
    Leuth said:

    cafcnick1992 said:

    I want @Leuth to explain this Reddit story.

    Mate, you had doge as your sodding avatar for ages, don't tell me you don't know your internets
    It was a meme at the time. I want to see this reddit thread I am supposedly chatting on. Come on!
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    cafcnick1992 said:

    Leuth said:

    cafcnick1992 said:

    I want @Leuth to explain this Reddit story.

    Mate, you had doge as your sodding avatar for ages, don't tell me you don't know your internets
    It was a meme at the time. I want to see this reddit thread I am supposedly chatting on. Come on!
    You're in here somewhere, right?
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,413
    Exactly, it was made up.
  • Fiiish
    Fiiish Posts: 7,998
    image
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    cafcnick1992 said:

    Exactly, it was made up.

    ...
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 10,934
    Fiiish said:

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    It's always ok to take the piss out of posh stereotypes with the Tory Boy thing - but if Enfield had renamed Wayne Slob Labour Boy there would have been uproar. In fact there was when the L is for Labour, L is for Lice sketch went out.

    It's always been ok to take the piss out of 'posh' folk but if it goes the other way it is snobbery from those Tory Bastards
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