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The General Election - June 8th 2017

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  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,255

    TelMc32 said:

    Errrrrrrr.................Coorperation tax

    OK Big Rob, I give up. What the hell is Coorperation Tax??

    I'm OK on Corporation Tax, but haven't a freakin' clue what you're on about. Is this some sort of Franglais you've been afflicted by?? :smile:
    Overdosed on crabsticks :wink:
    That'll teach him to play billy big bollocks and try and pander to AFKA with shared tastes in food. That's not the way to moderation
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,168
    edited May 2017
    TelMc32 said:

    Errrrrrrr.................Coorperation tax

    OK Big Rob, I give up. What the hell is Coorperation Tax??

    I'm OK on Corporation Tax, but haven't a freakin' clue what you're on about. Is this some sort of Franglais you've been afflicted by?? :smile:
    It's like the bedroom tax, but for chickens.
  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,083
    bellz2002 said:

    Can I just ask that why would it be considered a u-turn by May if she turned up to the debate tonight but genius and applauded that Corbyn has done the same after previously refusing to do it?

    Would show strength if she did turn up by surprise tonight.
  • TelMc32
    TelMc32 Posts: 9,048

    TelMc32 said:

    Errrrrrrr.................Coorperation tax

    OK Big Rob, I give up. What the hell is Coorperation Tax??

    I'm OK on Corporation Tax, but haven't a freakin' clue what you're on about. Is this some sort of Franglais you've been afflicted by?? :smile:
    It's like the bedroom tax, but for chickens.
    I gave you a LOL, but that would actually be COOPERATION TAX!! :wink:
  • Saga Lout
    Saga Lout Posts: 6,845

    bellz2002 said:

    Can I just ask that why would it be considered a u-turn by May if she turned up to the debate tonight but genius and applauded that Corbyn has done the same after previously refusing to do it?

    Would show strength if she did turn up by surprise tonight.
    Or would it be seen as just another U-Turn?
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    Election debate about to start on BBC 1.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Caroline Lucas easily the most formidable politician here. Shame it's not the time to vote for the Greens :cry:
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Let's talk about me like I'm not even here, typical Liberal lettuce crunchers


    ; )
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  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 10,934
    Was thinking back to the last debate last time around. This site had a real mix of views and the thread invoked genuine debate. Now it is massively one sided with no debate - just reams of posts with anti Tory sentiment.

    I am on an F1 forum too, and that's gone the other way. Once again - anti Labour posts one after the other which also kills any debate.

    Has something changed across the demographic of Charlton Life? Do we have a younger user base than two years ago? Do we have our own 'bubble' a la London and the EU referendum.

    Time will tell - but it is a lot more one sided this time and was from the start.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,670

    Let's talk about me like I'm not even here, typical Liberal lettuce crunchers


    ; )

    Love you :smiley:
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948

    Let's talk about me like I'm not even here, typical Liberal lettuce crunchers


    ; )

    Love you :smiley:
    Do you like crab sticks?
  • newyorkaddick
    newyorkaddick Posts: 3,052
    Nice balanced audience there
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764

    Nice balanced audience there

    BBC were up front in saying that audience members were handpicked by an independent organisation to represent the public as a whole.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,993
    edited May 2017

    Was thinking back to the last debate last time around. This site had a real mix of views and the thread invoked genuine debate. Now it is massively one sided with no debate - just reams of posts with anti Tory sentiment.

    I am on an F1 forum too, and that's gone the other way. Once again - anti Labour posts one after the other which also kills any debate.

    Has something changed across the demographic of Charlton Life? Do we have a younger user base than two years ago? Do we have our own 'bubble' a la London and the EU referendum.

    Time will tell - but it is a lot more one sided this time and was from the start.

    I can't be bothered to debate this time. I doubt anyone will change their mind, in any case.

    All I think is that The Tory campaign has been very poor, as has May.

    The Labour campaign & manifesto has been surprisingly good (Abbott apart).

    I am pretty down the centre, possibly slightly right of centre. If Labour had the "team" of a few years back, I may have voted Labour, I have in the past.

    However, I can't bring myself to vote for Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott, because I don't believe that they have radically changed so many of their beliefs. I'm afraid they are too far left for me, even though they are saying they were, but aren't now.

    I think the Tories could end up with a reduced majority.

    I'm not getting into a debate, so don't ask me any questions, because I won't be replying.
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 10,934
    They barely had a majority last time? It can be that much reduced before we are in hung parliament territory.
  • newyorkaddick
    newyorkaddick Posts: 3,052

    Nice balanced audience there

    BBC were up front in saying that audience members were handpicked by an independent organisation to represent the public as a whole.
    Never realised the Green Party had such formidable support
  • Rob7Lee
    Rob7Lee Posts: 9,595
    For anyone watching the election debate and may have seen others (this is the first one i've sat down to watch properly), is it me or are they nearly all a bunch of imbeciles full of sound bites and clap trap?

    They all spend more time digging out each other than they do actually answering any questions, if I didn't know the parties the most impressive is Caroline Lucas by a country mile......... typical the greens aren't standing in my area to help Labour :neutral:

    I'm ignoring the welsh/scots as not standing down here, Lib Dems - a wet blanket, UKIP a one party wonder, Labour will fix everything and all within their means and conservatives should 'be trusted'........ god help us all whoever gets in.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764

    Nice balanced audience there

    BBC were up front in saying that audience members were handpicked by an independent organisation to represent the public as a whole.
    Never realised the Green Party had such formidable support
    You can appreciate the message without planning to vote for them.
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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    Caroline Lucas been by far the most impressive btw.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,993

    They barely had a majority last time? It can be that much reduced before we are in hung parliament territory.

    I believe the majority was 24, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was a hung parliament.
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,299
    I'm still undecided on who to vote for , but I think it's terrible that Theresa May didn't bother to turn up to a live televised debate a week before the election!
  • CharltonMadrid
    CharltonMadrid Posts: 5,091
    If it is a hung parliament what's the most likely outcome? Hard to see the Lib Dems propping up the Tories again.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    Knockout blow from Farron there.
  • newyorkaddick
    newyorkaddick Posts: 3,052
    Watching this audience is it any wonder pollsters underestimate the 'shy Tory factor?
  • EveshamAddick
    EveshamAddick Posts: 7,014

    If it is a hung parliament what's the most likely outcome? Hard to see the Lib Dems propping up the Tories again.

    Labour / SNP coalition?
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764

    If it is a hung parliament what's the most likely outcome? Hard to see the Lib Dems propping up the Tories again.

    The YouGov polls from a few days ago (which I'm sceptical of btw, 2015 wasn't long ago) show that neither Tories + Lib Dem, nor Labour + SNP would have enough for a majority.
  • newyorkaddick
    newyorkaddick Posts: 3,052
    edited May 2017

    If it is a hung parliament what's the most likely outcome? Hard to see the Lib Dems propping up the Tories again.

    No chance - you need to crunch the seat-by-seat maths - 370 or so Tory seats are a shoo-in...

    238 voted Tory in 2015 and Leave in 2016, and another 88 voted Tory in 2015 and polls (even adjusted for Labour surge) have them at 45%+ in each.

    That's 326 in the bag before even looking at the 35 which voted Labour in 2015, Leave in 2016 and also polling 45%+.

    Add another 10 they are assured to take from LibDem 'Leave' MPs, UKIP and the SNP and you get to 371.

    The above is based on latest polls including YouGov.
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 10,934
    Tory and Labour coalition would never happen but the equivalent happens in other countries fairly often when coalitions are the way forward. If ever there were a time for it, the next 5 years of Brexit uncertainty would probably be the time. Allowing a reset when we begin a new world outside the EU.
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