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Southeastern train disruption (franchise to be taken over by Govt p191)

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  • MrLargo
    MrLargo Posts: 7,991

    Does it really take two blokes to move that FFS? The driver could have got out and moved that himself and been on his way in about 30 seconds.

    More than two apparently. Wait for it.....
  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,230
    Asap? Should take about a second even without the chain saw.
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,743
    Chain Saw Team = Terry with his secateurs
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,423
    MrLargo said:
    Having to work out if its actually a tree or whether its something thats fallen down from outer space!!
  • MrLargo
    MrLargo Posts: 7,991
    1. It's "Chainsaw Team", not "Chain saw team". If you're in a communications job I would have thought understanding English grammar would be quite an important prerequisite.

    2. You sent the Chainsaw Team? Have you seen the size of the tree? You could have sent the Scissors Team, the Toenail Clippers Team, the Butter knife Team or even the "Power of Positive Energy" Team, they could all have removed that branch in seconds.

    Like sending in the SAS to rescue a cat from a tree, morons!
  • Macronate
    Macronate Posts: 12,897
    You lot don't stop moaning.

    That tree could have nasty prickles, a jagged branch or a fungus.

    And it's wet meaning the chainsaw could slide off it, potentially severing one of the rails.

    So they have to be careful.
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,251
    Now let me be clear I am absolutely not defending them here, southeastern are a shower of wobbly, chinless, horse fuckers

    However the blokes recovering that bit of wood possibly amongst others are bound by health and safety statute and also have a duty to make sure other bits of tree aren't going to fall onto the track too. As much as we can all say just sling it to one side they won't want to be getting called back because any one has got hurt because they rushed about. And I promise you nobody thanks you when you do things like that regardless of goodwill and a keenness to be helpful

    Fucking annoying though

  • Missed It
    Missed It Posts: 2,734
    MrLargo said:

    1. It's "Chainsaw Team", not "Chain saw team". If you're in a communications job I would have thought understanding English grammar would be quite an important prerequisite.

    2. You sent the Chainsaw Team? Have you seen the size of the tree? You could have sent the Scissors Team, the Toenail Clippers Team, the Butter knife Team or even the "Power of Positive Energy" Team, they could all have removed that branch in seconds.

    Like sending in the SAS to rescue a cat from a tree, morons!


    It'll be the contract. It's almost as bad as the unions. "Can't touch that. Not my job. Not in the contract."
  • Oh_Yoni_Boy
    Oh_Yoni_Boy Posts: 1,762
    edited June 2017
    Carter said:

    Now let me be clear I am absolutely not defending them here, southeastern are a shower of wobbly, chinless, horse fuckers

    However the blokes recovering that bit of wood possibly amongst others are bound by health and safety statute and also have a duty to make sure other bits of tree aren't going to fall onto the track too. As much as we can all say just sling it to one side they won't want to be getting called back because any one has got hurt because they rushed about. And I promise you nobody thanks you when you do things like that regardless of goodwill and a keenness to be helpful

    Fucking annoying though

    I think you're right, sadly. I'm sure every bit of common sense in them is being overridden by rules that they can't move things until this ridiculous 'Chainsaw Team' arrive. On any the company's side - you don't need to be sued by some clumsy berk many times before you start covering your arse with rules and regs.
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  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,579

    Obstruction on the line about to make me late for my Stats exam for my degree. Thanks Southeastern!!!

    isn't it the tree that should take the blame?

    If we're going to get into a blame culture, what about the bastard that planted it!!!
    he passed away a few years ago, anyway it's his Mum's fault

  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,944
    What always annoyed me about this sort of thing was that they never warned you before you get on the train. As long as the train is on time when it gets into your station they don't bother telling you about the 3 hour queue ahead.

    If they said 'trains are running okay here but there is a serious delay further up the line' at least people will know. Those who can take other transport or work from home will do so. The number or times I could have saved myself a load of agro and worked from home...

    The worst time what when I got on the train no sign of any issues no announcements. Get most if the way there and join a 3 hour queue of trains trying to get a platform because Victoria is flooded (and has been since 4am) and there are only 3 platforms open.

    I complained and they said 'it was on our Twitter'. What so I have to check your Twitter every day even if all the trains at my station were on time... where's the logic in that. Just tell us there is an issue further up the line.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,944

    What always annoyed me about this sort of thing was that they never warned you before you get on the train. As long as the train is on time when it gets into your station they don't bother telling you about the 3 hour queue ahead.

    If they said 'trains are running okay here but there is a serious delay further up the line' at least people will know. Those who can take other transport or work from home will do so. The number or times I could have saved myself a load of agro and worked from home...

    The worst time what when I got on the train no sign of any issues no announcements. Get most if the way there and join a 3 hour queue of trains trying to get a platform because Victoria is flooded (and has been since 4am) and there are only 3 platforms open.

    I complained and they said 'it was on our Twitter'. What so I have to check your Twitter every day even if all the trains at my station were on time... where's the logic in that. Just tell us there is an issue further up the line.

    Just practicing my ranting skills for August!
  • MrLargo
    MrLargo Posts: 7,991

    What always annoyed me about this sort of thing was that they never warned you before you get on the train. As long as the train is on time when it gets into your station they don't bother telling you about the 3 hour queue ahead.

    If they said 'trains are running okay here but there is a serious delay further up the line' at least people will know. Those who can take other transport or work from home will do so. The number or times I could have saved myself a load of agro and worked from home...

    The worst time what when I got on the train no sign of any issues no announcements. Get most if the way there and join a 3 hour queue of trains trying to get a platform because Victoria is flooded (and has been since 4am) and there are only 3 platforms open.

    I complained and they said 'it was on our Twitter'. What so I have to check your Twitter every day even if all the trains at my station were on time... where's the logic in that. Just tell us there is an issue further up the line.

    Their communications are absolute dogshit. You can get better info from the National Rail app than they pass on to the drivers and station staff. I've actually stood at the station before and told people roughly whereabouts on the line our late train is ("departed Bexleyheath 14 minutes late, " for example) while the South Eastern station bloke tries and fails to get the same info in his office, and the display boards in the station either say "Delayed" or, even more annoyingly, they tell you that it's 2/3 minutes away when you can tell on your phone that it's not gonna be there for at least fifteen minutes.

    You've got just 2 months of your life left to enjoy @cantersaddick, then it's gonna be a daily living hell all the way to retirement. Welcome back.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,944
    MrLargo said:



    What always annoyed me about this sort of thing was that they never warned you before you get on the train. As long as the train is on time when it gets into your station they don't bother telling you about the 3 hour queue ahead.

    If they said 'trains are running okay here but there is a serious delay further up the line' at least people will know. Those who can take other transport or work from home will do so. The number or times I could have saved myself a load of agro and worked from home...

    The worst time what when I got on the train no sign of any issues no announcements. Get most if the way there and join a 3 hour queue of trains trying to get a platform because Victoria is flooded (and has been since 4am) and there are only 3 platforms open.

    I complained and they said 'it was on our Twitter'. What so I have to check your Twitter every day even if all the trains at my station were on time... where's the logic in that. Just tell us there is an issue further up the line.

    Their communications are absolute dogshit. You can get better info from the National Rail app than they pass on to the drivers and station staff. I've actually stood at the station before and told people roughly whereabouts on the line our late train is ("departed Bexleyheath 14 minutes late, " for example) while the South Eastern station bloke tries and fails to get the same info in his office, and the display boards in the station either say "Delayed" or, even more annoyingly, they tell you that it's 2/3 minutes away when you can tell on your phone that it's not gonna be there for at least fifteen minutes.

    You've got just 2 months of your life left to enjoy @cantersaddick, then it's gonna be a daily living hell all the way to retirement. Welcome back.
    Can't wait!
  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,455
    That was always one of the things that wound me up when I used to get the train. The board would say the train was 3 minutes away, slowly tick down to 1 minute away, then jump back up to 3 minutes away. There must be some sort of false advertising law that can be applied to lying about when a service is going to arrive.
  • Oh_Yoni_Boy
    Oh_Yoni_Boy Posts: 1,762
    MrLargo said:



    What always annoyed me about this sort of thing was that they never warned you before you get on the train. As long as the train is on time when it gets into your station they don't bother telling you about the 3 hour queue ahead.

    If they said 'trains are running okay here but there is a serious delay further up the line' at least people will know. Those who can take other transport or work from home will do so. The number or times I could have saved myself a load of agro and worked from home...

    The worst time what when I got on the train no sign of any issues no announcements. Get most if the way there and join a 3 hour queue of trains trying to get a platform because Victoria is flooded (and has been since 4am) and there are only 3 platforms open.

    I complained and they said 'it was on our Twitter'. What so I have to check your Twitter every day even if all the trains at my station were on time... where's the logic in that. Just tell us there is an issue further up the line.

    Their communications are absolute dogshit. You can get better info from the National Rail app than they pass on to the drivers and station staff. I've actually stood at the station before and told people roughly whereabouts on the line our late train is ("departed Bexleyheath 14 minutes late, " for example) while the South Eastern station bloke tries and fails to get the same info in his office, and the display boards in the station either say "Delayed" or, even more annoyingly, they tell you that it's 2/3 minutes away when you can tell on your phone that it's not gonna be there for at least fifteen minutes.

    You've got just 2 months of your life left to enjoy @cantersaddick, then it's gonna be a daily living hell all the way to retirement. Welcome back.
    It's like a slightly less sinister version of The Sun's countdown to Emma Watson's 16th birthday.
  • charltonkeston
    charltonkeston Posts: 7,367
    Carter said:

    Now let me be clear I am absolutely not defending them here, southeastern are a shower of wobbly, chinless, horse fuckers

    However the blokes recovering that bit of wood possibly amongst others are bound by health and safety statute and also have a duty to make sure other bits of tree aren't going to fall onto the track too. As much as we can all say just sling it to one side they won't want to be getting called back because any one has got hurt because they rushed about. And I promise you nobody thanks you when you do things like that regardless of goodwill and a keenness to be helpful

    Fucking annoying though

    Also there's the small matter of the conductor rail. Its a brave man who would remove that huge wet twig without unplugging the electric first.

  • man_at_milletts
    man_at_milletts Posts: 5,620

    MrLargo said:
    Having to work out if its actually a tree or whether its something thats fallen down from outer space!!
    Just as an aside, can anybody tell from this cab what class this train is?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,423
    edited June 2017

    MrLargo said:
    Having to work out if its actually a tree or whether its something thats fallen down from outer space!!
    Just as an aside, can anybody tell from this cab what class this train is?
    Its part of the Chatham Main Line so could be one of four rolling stock... Based on the photo, I'd say its the British Rail Class 375 as it looks as though its got that bit in the middle

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_375
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  • RaplhMilne
    RaplhMilne Posts: 4,603
    Not sure could be an early 374 . However, the tree looks like a silver birch.
  • MrLargo
    MrLargo Posts: 7,991
    Pretty sure that's a 465 Networker, guys. You can tell by the angle of the windscreen wipers.

    Cracking piece of kit, great looking bogies and a top speed of 120km/h and a maximum inside temperature of 117C, subject to acheiving the right blend of overcrowding, commuter anger, windows shut and heating on despite excessively high outside temperatures.
  • IT_Andy
    IT_Andy Posts: 477
    Probably too scared to cut this tree up in case it upsets the other tree's. New EU regulation for plants.
  • man_at_milletts
    man_at_milletts Posts: 5,620

    Not sure could be an early 374 . However, the tree looks like a silver birch.

    You're right about the tree, but I think Mr Largo is correct about it being a 465.

    The giveaway is that I can just make out the heater controls which are in the 'full' position.

  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,423
    MrLargo said:

    Pretty sure that's a 465 Networker, guys. You can tell by the angle of the windscreen wipers.

    Cracking piece of kit, great looking bogies and a top speed of 120km/h and a maximum inside temperature of 117C, subject to acheiving the right blend of overcrowding, commuter anger, windows shut and heating on despite excessively high outside temperatures.

    No chance is it a 465... 100% its a Class 375, the windscreen at the front of the photo is straight whereas the 465 is curved!!

    How some people on here can call themselves train enthusiasts is quite simple... a JOKE!! (winky face thing)
  • man_at_milletts
    man_at_milletts Posts: 5,620
    edited June 2017
    image 465


    image 375

    Vote now!
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,423
    edited June 2017
    Definitely the image on the right (375)... Look to the right of the wiper-blade, what sticks out like that on the left (465)?

    image
  • MrLargo
    MrLargo Posts: 7,991

    MrLargo said:

    Pretty sure that's a 465 Networker, guys. You can tell by the angle of the windscreen wipers.

    Cracking piece of kit, great looking bogies and a top speed of 120km/h and a maximum inside temperature of 117C, subject to acheiving the right blend of overcrowding, commuter anger, windows shut and heating on despite excessively high outside temperatures.

    No chance is it a 465... 100% its a Class 375, the windscreen at the front of the photo is straight whereas the 465 is curved!!

    How some people on here can call themselves train enthusiasts is quite simple... a JOKE!! (winky face thing)
    Mate, I am soooo close to flagging you for daring to question my train knowledge, and for humiliating me in front of my co-South Eastern Trains haters!

    However, I think you might be right, so I'll let it go, just this once.

    They've started using 376 Electrostars on some of the services on my route home. Got to say, it's brought a really interesting new dimension to my "delayed due to a points failure at Lewisham" experience every f*%king morning and evening. Great days!

  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,423
    MrLargo said:

    MrLargo said:

    Pretty sure that's a 465 Networker, guys. You can tell by the angle of the windscreen wipers.

    Cracking piece of kit, great looking bogies and a top speed of 120km/h and a maximum inside temperature of 117C, subject to acheiving the right blend of overcrowding, commuter anger, windows shut and heating on despite excessively high outside temperatures.

    No chance is it a 465... 100% its a Class 375, the windscreen at the front of the photo is straight whereas the 465 is curved!!

    How some people on here can call themselves train enthusiasts is quite simple... a JOKE!! (winky face thing)
    Mate, I am soooo close to flagging you for daring to question my train knowledge, and for humiliating me in front of my co-South Eastern Trains haters!

    However, I think you might be right, so I'll let it go, just this once.

    They've started using 376 Electrostars on some of the services on my route home. Got to say, it's brought a really interesting new dimension to my "delayed due to a points failure at Lewisham" experience every f*%king morning and evening. Great days!

    WHAT train knowledge!! - I can endure the embarrassment on the pitch... I can endure the idiot defenders of the Belgian regime but I really do have to question my support of Charlton Athletic when people cant identify trains on here properly!! ;)