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The General Election - June 8th 2017

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  • Fiiish said:

    Voting to keep the Tories out, wherever you live, is the only sane thing to do. Unless you own a newspaper, they do not represent you.

    There's some real desperation here. Laughable.
  • edited June 2017

    I suspect labour will do very well. I wouldnt be surprised if their was a labour minority with the SNP.

    According to the bloke who does the modern day equivalent of the BBC swingometer, Labour has to start eating into 8k Tory majorities to get to be the largest party.

    Meanwhile the Independent's last pre-election poll says Tories still have a ten-point lead and a projected 74-seat majority. independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-poll-latest-tory-win-results-corbyn-theresa-may-a7777781.html
    And the FTSE100 is currently slightly up. We shall see I suppose.
  • Glad we have had a good debate on this thread with Damo, Ibburg & NYAddick amongst others sticking up for the dark side. By contrast check out the HOF site and see 99% of Millwall fans baying for the return of hanging and predominantly UKIP. Maybe I exaggerate a bit!
  • I caught the Daily Mail yesterday. 13 pages of politics and the only thing they had to offer was smear and lie about Corbyn, Says it all for me that they cannot find a single thing to say to promote 'their' candidate.
    I hope everyone get's out and votes - I'm off the electoral role as I have lived abroad for too long, but I care a lot for home, and loathe watching Billionaire newspaper magnates try to influence the vote in order to maintain their off shore tax free millions. I saw a few politicians tryng to get into number 10. Theresa May was the most clueless among them.
    Go Corbyn
  • LenGlover said:

    I am seriously contemplating spoiling my ballot paper....

    Me too
  • cabbles said:

    Traditionally these sorts of disputes are ironed out in the Makro car park
    Helpful. Top notch modding. I can see why you got the job!
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  • I think the time for gloating has not come yet. What do they say about counting your chickens.
  • .

    I think you are right about how dangerous this potentially is, especially as online material is not held to the same standard as TV/press. An increase in information and communication, like the internet, should be something to celebrate. Instead, big business has started to learn how use data in the most sinister fashion. Take away net neutrality and you control how most people will consume data and information, much like the press in this country.

    This really has been a depressing election, project fear has won the day. Even now, on Election Day, I can't see anyone posting a single positive about the conservatives just how bad the opposition are.

    I wouldn't mind if it was just big business and political parties targeting me through social media. What really gets up my nose is all my friends posting hysterical nonsense, bitter and spiteful memes and basically calling anybody who votes Tory a heartless, selfish monster - because obviously Labour voters are better and care more than anyone else in the world, ever.

    But they're my friends, so I just bite my lip and don't get into it with them. I'll be glad when it's all over and we can continue to be governed by fools as normal.
  • edited June 2017

    There's some real desperation here. Laughable.
    What's laughable is the fact in the last two months no one has posted a single defensible reason to vote Tory unless you are a millionaire.

    You have also ignored all the really desperate posts calling Corbyn a disaster or similar. Take off the right wing goggles for once.
  • I think the time for gloating has not come yet. What do they say about counting your chickens.

    I'm not gloating - I haven't decided who to vote for yet.
  • Fiiish said:

    What's laughable is the fact in the last two months no one has posted a single defensible reason to vote Tory unless you are a millionaire.
    There's no other reason needed not to vote for them other than

    Jeremy Corbyn
  • My final prediction is/was:

    CON 380 (45%)
    LAB 197 (35%)
    LIB 3 (8%)
    GREEN 1 (2%)
    SNP 47 (4%)
    UKIP 0 (3%)
    PC 3 (1%)
    N.I. 18
    OTHER 1

    Interesting, sorry if you'd posted that before, I'd not noticed. TBH not as bullish as I thought.
  • My final prediction is/was:

    CON 380 (45%)
    LAB 197 (35%)
    LIB 3 (8%)
    GREEN 1 (2%)
    SNP 47 (4%)
    UKIP 0 (3%)
    PC 3 (1%)
    N.I. 18
    OTHER 1

    I saw a very well supported twitter page say he's betting solid money that labour wont reach 200, I found that hard to believe personally, but who knows.
  • My final prediction is/was:

    CON 380 (45%)
    LAB 197 (35%)
    LIB 3 (8%)
    GREEN 1 (2%)
    SNP 47 (4%)
    UKIP 0 (3%)
    PC 3 (1%)
    N.I. 18
    OTHER 1

    That's pretty much how I see it happening too.
  • Despite May being a no show, there being no costings in their manifesto and only offering more cuts to the Police, NHS, to anyone in fact but the rich the Tories will, I predict, get a bigger majority.

    And that is because even though Labour had clearer, costed policies and wanted to save the NHS, increase police numbers and cut tuition fees (all things that should be vote winners) they had Corbyn.

    He was an electoral liability from the start and most of his MPs knew it which is why they wanted him gone.

    Any decent, non- far left, non-Hamas/IRA supporting leader would have had a real chance to damage May, a weak leader with a poor record and only sound bites to offer.

    Roll on the new centre left party.

    This.

    May & the Tory campaign/manifesto has been very poor.

    Corbyn & the Labour campaign/manifesto has been very good.

    But there is not a chance in hell that I would ever vote for Corbyn, Abbott & McDonnell, who I believe have anti British sentiment at times and that is being generous to them.

    I know they say they no longer hold their lifelong views and they've changed in the last few years, since ousting the more centre Labour members, but if that is true, why did they oust them ?

    I really am in the centre and I may well have voted for a David Milliband/Chuka Umuna type of person.

    I would likely be better off under Labour, but I put my country before myself and in these uncertain times, I could never contemplate voting for a party, headed up by people who have expressed anti British sentiment in the past.
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  • so there going to have 10,000 armed police overnight are they.
    Replacing skilled highly trained essential people is never done overnight and certainly isn't done by cutting the budget and numbers in the first place.

    In addition to Police you can add to the Tories shameful list, nurses, doctors, teachers, social workers. All hacked down in numbers and now very difficult to recruit due to the nonsensical cuts to training funding.

    It's obvious that the Tories have no intention of investing to correct this disgrace so God alone knows what the state of things in five years will be. How are the Tory media machine going to hoodwink the people then ?

  • I'm not gloating - I haven't decided who to vote for yet.
    Wasn't aimed at you. Was meant at people further up the page who were accusing others of gloating. I was suggesting we should wait until the fat lady sings. Or at least until 5am tomorrow.
  • Replacing skilled highly trained essential people is never done overnight and certainly isn't done by cutting the budget and numbers in the first place.

    In addition to Police you can add to the Tories shameful list, nurses, doctors, teachers, social workers. All hacked down in numbers and now very difficult to recruit due to the nonsensical cuts to training funding.

    It's obvious that the Tories have no intention of investing to correct this disgrace so God alone knows what the state of things in five years will be. How are the Tory media machine going to hoodwink the people then ?

    Start a war? That tends to work
  • Interesting, sorry if you'd posted that before, I'd not noticed. TBH not as bullish as I thought.
    I hadn't posted it before on here at least....

    Obviously any model has probabilistic ranges and I have pitched my final prediction on my interpretation of the likely accuracy of the final polling data - however to summarise a very broad range of outcomes for Tory seats, I'd say:

    Outcome 1: polls were VERY wrong but in Labour's favour: 337
    Outcome 2: polls were slightly wrong in Labour's favour 363
    Outcome 3: polls were slightly wrong in Tory's favour 396
    Outcome 4: polls were VERY wrong in Tory's favour 409

    I am therefore predicting that the polls were about right overall on average (although the models take into account local nuances and are not a straightforward extrapolation of national polling percentages).
  • bobmunro said:

    So a 110 seat Conservative majority.

    I hope you're wrong - just imagine the damage this current version of the tory party could do with the next five unfettered years in power.
    if they are so bad why are they going to beat Labour, again?

  • This.

    May & the Tory campaign/manifesto has been very poor.

    Corbyn & the Labour campaign/manifesto has been very good.

    But there is not a chance in hell that I would ever vote for Corbyn, Abbott & McDonnell, who I believe have anti British sentiment at times and that is being generous to them.

    I know they say they no longer hold their lifelong views and they've changed in the last few years, since ousting the more centre Labour members, but if that is true, why did they oust them ?

    I really am in the centre and I may well have voted for a David Milliband/Chuka Umuna type of person.

    I would likely be better off under Labour, but I put my country before myself and in these uncertain times, I could never contemplate voting for a party, headed up by people who have expressed anti British sentiment in the past.
    BUT they haven't....
  • if they are so bad why are they going to beat Labour, again?

    I don't think you want to know the answer to that.
  • if they are so bad why are they going to beat Labour, again?

    Because you can fool all of the people some of the time.....and the main press are Tory supporters.....
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