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  • Chef_addick
    Chef_addick Posts: 2,196
    edited July 2017
    Bring back Hales to open, scores runs quickly so allows Cook to play slow and steady.

    It gives us a left and right handed opening pair, Stoneman at 3, Root at 4.

    Send Jennings back to Durham before his confidence is shot to pieces, drop Ballance as he just isn't good enough.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,998
    cafcfan1990 said:

    Covered End said:

    It honestly looked like we were giving catching practice for the last 3. If Pakistan had done that .....

    Jennings, Ballance & Dawson need to be dropped without doubt, they are not good enough.

    Hamed, Rashid plus another batsman.

    cannot disagree more, why do we need 4 seamers and 2 spinners.
    Agreed, I didn't mean start Rashid. I just meant if you need an extra spinner then I'd rather Rashid to Dawson.
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    dickplumb said:

    We need a few that sell their wickets dearly.

    Hamed.
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    McBobbin said:

    Hopefully they get their act together for the Oval... I'm going on the Friday

    So are we.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Covered End said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    Covered End said:

    It honestly looked like we were giving catching practice for the last 3. If Pakistan had done that .....

    Jennings, Ballance & Dawson need to be dropped without doubt, they are not good enough.

    Hamed, Rashid plus another batsman.

    cannot disagree more, why do we need 4 seamers and 2 spinners.
    Agreed, I didn't mean start Rashid. I just meant if you need an extra spinner then I'd rather Rashid to Dawson.
    sorry, I thought you meant Rashid come in instead of Dawson. I agree with you regarding 2nd spin option, Rashid is not great but probably the 2nd best we have at the minute.

    We did win the first test so perhaps no need to overreact. But certainly no need for Dawson and obvious questions over Jennings and Ballance.
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,146
    Jennings looks like rabbit caught up in headlights, Dawson isn't destructive enough and I would fancy playing against him. A few tweaks here and there and we shall be ok. Isn't it time to give Northeast a chance.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,788
    Chef_addick said:

    Bring back Hales to open, scores runs quickly so allows Cook to play slow and steady.

    It gives us a left and right handed opening pair, Stoneman at 3, Root at 4.

    Send Jennings back to Durham before his confidence is shot to pieces, drop Ballance as he just isn't good enough.

    Hales is not the answer. He is not even a First Class opener let alone a Test one. Better bowlers with more attacking fielders will always undo his technique.

    Stoneman might be a good call though.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    cafcfan1990 said:

    Covered End said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    Covered End said:

    It honestly looked like we were giving catching practice for the last 3. If Pakistan had done that .....

    Jennings, Ballance & Dawson need to be dropped without doubt, they are not good enough.

    Hamed, Rashid plus another batsman.

    cannot disagree more, why do we need 4 seamers and 2 spinners.
    Agreed, I didn't mean start Rashid. I just meant if you need an extra spinner then I'd rather Rashid to Dawson.
    sorry, I thought you meant Rashid come in instead of Dawson. I agree with you regarding 2nd spin option, Rashid is not great but probably the 2nd best we have at the minute.

    We did win the first test so perhaps no need to overreact. But certainly no need for Dawson and obvious questions over Jennings and Ballance.
    That was a terrible S Africa performance though, they were really missing their captain and looked rudderless. They now look in a real groove and have a refreshed and no doubt super pumped Rabada to come back
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    I think the chicken that are 20/20 & the IPL have finally come home to roost. Atherton would never get in a 20/20 squad but did a great job at Centurian about 25 years ago to save a Test match, We need the same today but too many players are now too wrapped up in the 20 over logic.

    There was some good bowling today & a couple of batsmen got unplayable deliveries, but in general there were too many "airy fairy" shots. I also think that once we were 5 down they knew it was up (if they ever thought they had a chance in the first place) and just didn't bother.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,459
    Had a great day yesterday...just a shame about the cricket!
    First time at Trent bridge and thought it was a lovely little ground.
    Crowd were top notch. We were sat near bloke dressed as Donald Trump. Bloke sat next to him had a 'brickwall' suit on. And the rest of the group were dressed a Mexicans!
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  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    killerandflash said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    Covered End said:

    cafcfan1990 said:

    Covered End said:

    It honestly looked like we were giving catching practice for the last 3. If Pakistan had done that .....

    Jennings, Ballance & Dawson need to be dropped without doubt, they are not good enough.

    Hamed, Rashid plus another batsman.

    cannot disagree more, why do we need 4 seamers and 2 spinners.
    Agreed, I didn't mean start Rashid. I just meant if you need an extra spinner then I'd rather Rashid to Dawson.
    sorry, I thought you meant Rashid come in instead of Dawson. I agree with you regarding 2nd spin option, Rashid is not great but probably the 2nd best we have at the minute.

    We did win the first test so perhaps no need to overreact. But certainly no need for Dawson and obvious questions over Jennings and Ballance.
    That was a terrible S Africa performance though, they were really missing their captain and looked rudderless. They now look in a real groove and have a refreshed and no doubt super pumped Rabada to come back
    true enough but then you kind of support my point. Because South Africa lost and didn't seem to massively overreact. I am not saying we should give people unlimited chances, I think the selection of both Ballance and Dawson has been poor, but also sometimes one defeat does not mean we have to panic.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    carly burn said:

    Had a great day yesterday...just a shame about the cricket!
    First time at Trent bridge and thought it was a lovely little ground.
    Crowd were top notch. We were sat near bloke dressed as Donald Trump. Bloke sat next to him had a 'brickwall' suit on. And the rest of the group were dressed a Mexicans!

    We could have done with that brick wall standing between the bowlers and England batsmen, they might have survived longer!

    Yes, nice ground Trent Bridge. Before the match started I had thought of buying a ticket for today, thankfully I didn't...
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    golfaddick said:

    I think the chicken that are 20/20 & the IPL have finally come home to roost. Atherton would never get in a 20/20 squad but did a great job at Centurian about 25 years ago to save a Test match, We need the same today but too many players are now too wrapped up in the 20 over logic.

    There was some good bowling today & a couple of batsmen got unplayable deliveries, but in general there were too many "airy fairy" shots. I also think that once we were 5 down they knew it was up (if they ever thought they had a chance in the first place) and just didn't bother.

    As Boycott and Vaughan have noted though Amla and du Plessis both play masses of T20 and ODI cricket, and they were prepared to knuckle down yesterday and grind England down. England seem to have this fixed mentality, that they have to be attacking all the time, and so often it doesn't come off
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    edited July 2017
    Suggestions are that Balance will be given until the end of the series to make some runs - he has been getting in but not motoring on , and currently has an average of 27 in this series, and apparently is third highest scorer in the top 6, however, it looks like Stoneman or maybe Malan may come in for Jennings, with further suggestions that Ballance may be moved to 5 and Bairstow to 7 . Dawsons place looks untenable, despite the next Test being at the Oval which tends to spin more than elsewhere.
    So, could be...
    Cook,Stoneman,Root,ANO,Ballance,Stokes,Bairstow,Ali,Broad,Wood,Jimmy

    Oh, how I wish Ian Bell was available.

    I just checked the county averages and there aren't many contenders, and quite amazing that Balance has an average over 100
  • CHG
    CHG Posts: 4,529
    The_President said:

    Suggestions are that Balance will be given until the end of the series to make some runs - he has been getting in but not motoring on , and currently has an average of 27 in this series, and apparently is third highest scorer in the top 6, however, it looks like Stoneman or maybe Malan may come in for Jennings, with further suggestions that Ballance may be moved to 5 and Bairstow to 7 . Dawsons place looks untenable, despite the next Test being at the Oval which tends to spin more than elsewhere.
    So, could be...
    Cook,Stoneman,Root,ANO,Ballance,Stokes,Bairstow,Ali,Broad,Wood,Jimmy

    Apparently Wood and Ballance have "injuries", not sure if this could be a kind way of dropping them. Is Woakes fit? I would replace Woods with Woakes, tin Dawson and replace him with a proper bat, 4 seamers and Ali as the only spinner will be more than enough.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    CHG said:

    The_President said:

    Suggestions are that Balance will be given until the end of the series to make some runs - he has been getting in but not motoring on , and currently has an average of 27 in this series, and apparently is third highest scorer in the top 6, however, it looks like Stoneman or maybe Malan may come in for Jennings, with further suggestions that Ballance may be moved to 5 and Bairstow to 7 . Dawsons place looks untenable, despite the next Test being at the Oval which tends to spin more than elsewhere.
    So, could be...
    Cook,Stoneman,Root,ANO,Ballance,Stokes,Bairstow,Ali,Broad,Wood,Jimmy

    Apparently Wood and Ballance have "injuries", not sure if this could be a kind way of dropping them. Is Woakes fit? I would replace Woods with Woakes, tin Dawson and replace him with a proper bat, 4 seamers and Ali as the only spinner will be more than enough.
    Think Woakes is out for the whole series, we should go with something like
    Cook, Stoneman, Malan, Root, Ballance, Bairstow, Stokes, Ali, Broad, Jimmy, Wood or other seamer if he's injured
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Balance *might* have a broken finger, x-rays today.
    Wood, im not surprised if he does have an injury, as his body cant seem to stand up to the rigours of back-to-back Test.
    Woakes apparently isn't fit until Windies.
  • CHG
    CHG Posts: 4,529
    The_President said:

    Balance *might* have a broken finger, x-rays today.
    Wood, im not surprised if he does have an injury, as his body cant seem to stand up to the rigours of back-to-back Test.
    Woakes apparently isn't fit until Windies.

    Blow about Woakes, maybe give Toby R-J a run out for Wood.


  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    edited July 2017
    Women's semi final now just in case anyone's interested! SA might get enough to trigger England's customary choke
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    CHG said:

    The_President said:

    Suggestions are that Balance will be given until the end of the series to make some runs - he has been getting in but not motoring on , and currently has an average of 27 in this series, and apparently is third highest scorer in the top 6, however, it looks like Stoneman or maybe Malan may come in for Jennings, with further suggestions that Ballance may be moved to 5 and Bairstow to 7 . Dawsons place looks untenable, despite the next Test being at the Oval which tends to spin more than elsewhere.
    So, could be...
    Cook,Stoneman,Root,ANO,Ballance,Stokes,Bairstow,Ali,Broad,Wood,Jimmy

    Apparently Wood and Ballance have "injuries", not sure if this could be a kind way of dropping them. Is Woakes fit? I would replace Woods with Woakes, tin Dawson and replace him with a proper bat, 4 seamers and Ali as the only spinner will be more than enough.
    Talk of Jake Ball coming in. I don't think Woakes will be fit until the W Indies series (which will be a dismal way to end the summer sadly)

    Dropping Dawson for a batsman needs 1 extra batsman. Replacing Jennings and Ballance, that's 3 new batsmen needed, are there 3 obvious players out there?
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  • CHG
    CHG Posts: 4,529
    killerandflash said:

    CHG said:

    The_President said:

    Suggestions are that Balance will be given until the end of the series to make some runs - he has been getting in but not motoring on , and currently has an average of 27 in this series, and apparently is third highest scorer in the top 6, however, it looks like Stoneman or maybe Malan may come in for Jennings, with further suggestions that Ballance may be moved to 5 and Bairstow to 7 . Dawsons place looks untenable, despite the next Test being at the Oval which tends to spin more than elsewhere.
    So, could be...
    Cook,Stoneman,Root,ANO,Ballance,Stokes,Bairstow,Ali,Broad,Wood,Jimmy

    Apparently Wood and Ballance have "injuries", not sure if this could be a kind way of dropping them. Is Woakes fit? I would replace Woods with Woakes, tin Dawson and replace him with a proper bat, 4 seamers and Ali as the only spinner will be more than enough.
    Talk of Jake Ball coming in. I don't think Woakes will be fit until the W Indies series (which will be a dismal way to end the summer sadly)

    Dropping Dawson for a batsman needs 1 extra batsman. Replacing Jennings and Ballance, that's 3 new batsmen needed, are there 3 obvious players out there?
    We have got in such a muddle with our balance and selection, Dawson should not have played in the first two tests and now we have a mess to sort out.
    Three batsmen, I guess Malan is being highly talked about, then your guess is as good as mine for the other two.

  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    The only problem with bringing Malan is that we would then have 2 rookies, which is not great.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    CHG said:

    killerandflash said:

    CHG said:

    The_President said:

    Suggestions are that Balance will be given until the end of the series to make some runs - he has been getting in but not motoring on , and currently has an average of 27 in this series, and apparently is third highest scorer in the top 6, however, it looks like Stoneman or maybe Malan may come in for Jennings, with further suggestions that Ballance may be moved to 5 and Bairstow to 7 . Dawsons place looks untenable, despite the next Test being at the Oval which tends to spin more than elsewhere.
    So, could be...
    Cook,Stoneman,Root,ANO,Ballance,Stokes,Bairstow,Ali,Broad,Wood,Jimmy

    Apparently Wood and Ballance have "injuries", not sure if this could be a kind way of dropping them. Is Woakes fit? I would replace Woods with Woakes, tin Dawson and replace him with a proper bat, 4 seamers and Ali as the only spinner will be more than enough.
    Talk of Jake Ball coming in. I don't think Woakes will be fit until the W Indies series (which will be a dismal way to end the summer sadly)

    Dropping Dawson for a batsman needs 1 extra batsman. Replacing Jennings and Ballance, that's 3 new batsmen needed, are there 3 obvious players out there?
    We have got in such a muddle with our balance and selection, Dawson should not have played in the first two tests and now we have a mess to sort out.
    Three batsmen, I guess Malan is being highly talked about, then your guess is as good as mine for the other two.

    Having 2 divisions doesn't help either, as half the available players are playing a lower level of cricket, so their averages have a big question mark over them. Joe Denly for example is having a great summer, but in Div 2, so unlikely to be considered
  • CHG
    CHG Posts: 4,529
    killerandflash said:

    CHG said:

    killerandflash said:

    CHG said:

    The_President said:

    Suggestions are that Balance will be given until the end of the series to make some runs - he has been getting in but not motoring on , and currently has an average of 27 in this series, and apparently is third highest scorer in the top 6, however, it looks like Stoneman or maybe Malan may come in for Jennings, with further suggestions that Ballance may be moved to 5 and Bairstow to 7 . Dawsons place looks untenable, despite the next Test being at the Oval which tends to spin more than elsewhere.
    So, could be...
    Cook,Stoneman,Root,ANO,Ballance,Stokes,Bairstow,Ali,Broad,Wood,Jimmy

    Apparently Wood and Ballance have "injuries", not sure if this could be a kind way of dropping them. Is Woakes fit? I would replace Woods with Woakes, tin Dawson and replace him with a proper bat, 4 seamers and Ali as the only spinner will be more than enough.
    Talk of Jake Ball coming in. I don't think Woakes will be fit until the W Indies series (which will be a dismal way to end the summer sadly)

    Dropping Dawson for a batsman needs 1 extra batsman. Replacing Jennings and Ballance, that's 3 new batsmen needed, are there 3 obvious players out there?
    We have got in such a muddle with our balance and selection, Dawson should not have played in the first two tests and now we have a mess to sort out.
    Three batsmen, I guess Malan is being highly talked about, then your guess is as good as mine for the other two.

    Having 2 divisions doesn't help either, as half the available players are playing a lower level of cricket, so their averages have a big question mark over them. Joe Denly for example is having a great summer, but in Div 2, so unlikely to be considered
    Exactly, and Sam N-E over the past few years has been flying but is constantly overlooked.

  • CHG
    CHG Posts: 4,529
    The_President said:

    The only problem with bringing Malan is that we would then have 2 rookies, which is not great.

    Agree, but the boy looked a natural in the T20, I know the form is not considered to be an amazing benchmark but he looked to have something.

  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    CHG said:

    killerandflash said:

    CHG said:

    The_President said:

    Suggestions are that Balance will be given until the end of the series to make some runs - he has been getting in but not motoring on , and currently has an average of 27 in this series, and apparently is third highest scorer in the top 6, however, it looks like Stoneman or maybe Malan may come in for Jennings, with further suggestions that Ballance may be moved to 5 and Bairstow to 7 . Dawsons place looks untenable, despite the next Test being at the Oval which tends to spin more than elsewhere.
    So, could be...
    Cook,Stoneman,Root,ANO,Ballance,Stokes,Bairstow,Ali,Broad,Wood,Jimmy

    Apparently Wood and Ballance have "injuries", not sure if this could be a kind way of dropping them. Is Woakes fit? I would replace Woods with Woakes, tin Dawson and replace him with a proper bat, 4 seamers and Ali as the only spinner will be more than enough.
    Talk of Jake Ball coming in. I don't think Woakes will be fit until the W Indies series (which will be a dismal way to end the summer sadly)

    Dropping Dawson for a batsman needs 1 extra batsman. Replacing Jennings and Ballance, that's 3 new batsmen needed, are there 3 obvious players out there?
    We have got in such a muddle with our balance and selection, Dawson should not have played in the first two tests and now we have a mess to sort out.
    Three batsmen, I guess Malan is being highly talked about, then your guess is as good as mine for the other two.

    Stoneman is an obvious candidate, so with him and Malan, leaves one. I am not totally against giving Ballance another try, but move him down to 5. Another option is to keep Bairstow at 5, and bring in someone like Buttler for Dawson at 7/8.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Of course, one name that could come back into contention is James Vince, though not having a cracking season in champs this season.
  • CHG
    CHG Posts: 4,529
    cafcfan1990 said:

    CHG said:

    killerandflash said:

    CHG said:

    The_President said:

    Suggestions are that Balance will be given until the end of the series to make some runs - he has been getting in but not motoring on , and currently has an average of 27 in this series, and apparently is third highest scorer in the top 6, however, it looks like Stoneman or maybe Malan may come in for Jennings, with further suggestions that Ballance may be moved to 5 and Bairstow to 7 . Dawsons place looks untenable, despite the next Test being at the Oval which tends to spin more than elsewhere.
    So, could be...
    Cook,Stoneman,Root,ANO,Ballance,Stokes,Bairstow,Ali,Broad,Wood,Jimmy

    Apparently Wood and Ballance have "injuries", not sure if this could be a kind way of dropping them. Is Woakes fit? I would replace Woods with Woakes, tin Dawson and replace him with a proper bat, 4 seamers and Ali as the only spinner will be more than enough.
    Talk of Jake Ball coming in. I don't think Woakes will be fit until the W Indies series (which will be a dismal way to end the summer sadly)

    Dropping Dawson for a batsman needs 1 extra batsman. Replacing Jennings and Ballance, that's 3 new batsmen needed, are there 3 obvious players out there?
    We have got in such a muddle with our balance and selection, Dawson should not have played in the first two tests and now we have a mess to sort out.
    Three batsmen, I guess Malan is being highly talked about, then your guess is as good as mine for the other two.

    Stoneman is an obvious candidate, so with him and Malan, leaves one. I am not totally against giving Ballance another try, but move him down to 5. Another option is to keep Bairstow at 5, and bring in someone like Buttler for Dawson at 7/8.
    I didn't realise that he was 30. Shame that Hameed is having a shocker this season as he would solve a problem at the top of the order.

  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,915
    I will be particularly annoyed if we move Bairstow to 7 just to accommodate Ballance. Root and Bairstow (and stokes) will be the backbone of our middle order for years to come. Let them settle into their positions at 4 and 5 and pick the best players in the positions to fit around them. There is no point having Ballance at 7 so it's either 3 or drop him. If they are worried about Bairstows workload with keeping and batting 5 then the obvious solution is to bring in a keeper that is also used to batting 6/7 and is suited to that role. Alternatively if they want 2 spinners then Rashid is an option - bats 6 for Yorkshire or Patel who is having a great year with the bat. Both of them turn the ball the other way.

    Cook Stoneman Someone Root Bairstow Stokes Foakes Ali Woakes (when fit until then Ball TRJ or Wood) Broad Anderson.

    Seems like that someone may be Malan. A year ago it would have been Borthwick but his form has dropped off a cliff for Surrey.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    Is Bayliss really the person to run the Test team, someone who knows nothing about the county game, and who has never seen Stoneman play?

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