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The Ashes 2017-18

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  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167

    Based on players seen only (and much as it hurts to leave Knotty and Deadly Derek out):

    Gooch
    Cook
    Gower
    G Chappell
    S Waugh
    Botham
    Gilchrist
    Warne
    Lillee
    McGrath
    Thompson

    So why did you? Knott far better keeper than Gilchrist and with that batting you don't need his runs. Plus you have 4 top quicks plus useful seam back up from Waugh, Gooch and Chappell so rather unbalanced. Drop a quickie for Deadly.
    Or did you just not want to be too similar to me? ;-)
  • Yeah, I would have gone with Knotty instead of Gilchrist.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    The name you all seem to have forgotten is Sajid Mahmood
  • English 11 only, seen only

    Gooch
    Cook
    Vaughan
    Gower
    Pieterson
    Greig
    Knott
    Flintoff
    Botham
    Underwood
    Anderson

    Okay maybe too many all rounders but fun to watch and you could play with the batting order. Vaughan as captain would take care of egos, 8 England Captains in one dressing room.
  • An English eleven, based on who I've seen...

    Gooch
    Cook
    Gower
    Vaughan
    Thorpe
    Botham
    Knott
    Flintoff or Stokes
    Swann
    Anderson
    Harmison/Underwood/Willis depending on the pitch
  • Riviera said:

    Based on players seen only (and much as it hurts to leave Knotty and Deadly Derek out):

    Gooch
    Cook
    Gower
    G Chappell
    S Waugh
    Botham
    Gilchrist
    Warne
    Lillee
    McGrath
    Thompson

    So why did you? Knott far better keeper than Gilchrist and with that batting you don't need his runs. Plus you have 4 top quicks plus useful seam back up from Waugh, Gooch and Chappell so rather unbalanced. Drop a quickie for Deadly.
    Or did you just not want to be too similar to me? ;-)
    As if! I went for Gilchrist because, as much as Knotty was the better keeper, it was the Aussie who was the explosive batsman who changed/reinforced the course of so many Tests. Having also decided to omit Deadly (effectively turning the ball away from the right hander a la Warne and concerned that he would on a lot of pitches just be there to hold one end up), it was logical that we wouldn't lose much in the keeping department as Gilchrist kept to Warne throughout his career - which Knotty didn't.

  • I wonder how effective Deadly would be in modern conditions. A lot of his wickets were taken on damp, uncovered pitches, while his relentless line and length (and medium pace) would be less of a challenge to modern day batsmen, used to smacking length balls in white ball cricket
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Cook
    Tres
    Vaughan (c)
    Root
    KP
    Bell
    Prior
    Fred
    Swan
    Broad
    Anderson

    English only and from players I have seen.
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,651
    As it's Movember how about a moustached Ashes XI. The only spot I couldn't fill was the spinner. Any ideas?

    Gooch
    Warner
    Boon
    Border
    Lamb
    Smith (Robin)
    Botham
    Russell
    Merv
    Johnson
    Lillee


  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    If I was pushed into picking a combined xi unfortunately it would be:

    Hayden
    Cook
    Puntter
    Waugh m
    Waugh s
    KP
    Gilly
    Fred
    Warne
    Anderson
    McGrath




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  • As it's Movember how about a moustached Ashes XI. The only spot I couldn't fill was the spinner. Any ideas?

    Gooch
    Warner
    Boon
    Border
    Lamb
    Smith (Robin)
    Botham
    Russell
    Merv
    Johnson
    Lillee


    Could have Monty or Mo if your allowing beards. Could be one heck of a piss up in that dressing room.( with Monty around that could be literal)
  • As it's Movember how about a moustached Ashes XI. The only spot I couldn't fill was the spinner. Any ideas?

    Gooch
    Warner
    Boon
    Border
    Lamb
    Smith (Robin)
    Botham
    Russell
    Merv
    Johnson
    Lillee


    Not that good a player but Richard Illingworth springs to mind
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Didn't KP sport a "mo" for the start of an ashes tour?
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651

    I wonder how effective Deadly would be in modern conditions. A lot of his wickets were taken on damp, uncovered pitches, while his relentless line and length (and medium pace) would be less of a challenge to modern day batsmen, used to smacking length balls in white ball cricket

    Deadly was a very effective one day bowler too.

    I'm confident he'd be an effective bowler today. His unrelenting accuracy would expose deficiencies in the techniques of those seeking to get after him.

    Stevens is not so much quicker than Deadly was and he does ok.
  • addickfanatic
    addickfanatic Posts: 1,113
    edited November 2017
    Seeing I’m a bit on the round side, you could have a tubby combined England/Australia Test 11

    Taylor
    Boon
    Cowdrey
    Gatting
    Lehmann
    Samit
    Botham (in his later years only and I’m scratching a bit here)
    Warne
    Hughes
    Gough (possibly a bit harsh)
    Ormond

    Anybody think of a wicky, they tend to be on the slighter side, at the moment I’m sticking the pads on Boon. Another team that could hammer a few beers


  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167

    Seeing I’m a bit on the round side, you could have a tubby combined England/Australia Test 11

    Taylor
    Boon
    Cowdrey
    Gatting
    Lehmann
    Samit
    Botham (in his later years only and I’m scratching a bit here)
    Warne
    Hughes
    Gough (possibly a bit harsh)
    Ormond

    Anybody think of a wicky, they tend to be on the slighter side, at the moment I’m sticking the pads on Boon. Another team that could hammer a few beers


    Rodney Marsh was a real lump in his early days, up to 1977 ish.
  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167

    As it's Movember how about a moustached Ashes XI. The only spot I couldn't fill was the spinner. Any ideas?

    Gooch
    Warner
    Boon
    Border
    Lamb
    Smith (Robin)
    Botham
    Russell
    Merv
    Johnson
    Lillee


    Ashley Mallett had a ripping good tache
  • Riviera said:

    Seeing I’m a bit on the round side, you could have a tubby combined England/Australia Test 11

    Taylor
    Boon
    Cowdrey
    Gatting
    Lehmann
    Samit
    Botham (in his later years only and I’m scratching a bit here)
    Warne
    Hughes
    Gough (possibly a bit harsh)
    Ormond

    Anybody think of a wicky, they tend to be on the slighter side, at the moment I’m sticking the pads on Boon. Another team that could hammer a few beers


    Rodney Marsh was a real lump in his early days, up to 1977 ish.
    Thanks @Riviera, I’ll drop Jimmy Ormond and slot in Marsh above Warne
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,651
    Thanks to Riviera & killerandflash but I'm going for an old school selection Wilfred Rhodes (way too much time on my hands).

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  • Seeing I’m a bit on the round side, you could have a tubby combined England/Australia Test 11

    Taylor
    Boon
    Cowdrey
    Gatting
    Lehmann
    Samit
    Botham (in his later years only and I’m scratching a bit here)
    Warne
    Hughes
    Gough (possibly a bit harsh)
    Ormond

    Anybody think of a wicky, they tend to be on the slighter side, at the moment I’m sticking the pads on Boon. Another team that could hammer a few beers


    The late Colin Millburn would walk into that team.

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  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,502
    A quick joint 11 from those I've seen play 1st Class;

    1. Mark Taylor
    2. Alistair Cook
    3. Greg Chappell
    4. Alan Border
    5. Steve Waugh
    6. Ian Botham
    7. Ian Healy
    8. Fred Titmus
    9. Derek Underwood
    10. Terry Alderman
    11. Graham Mackenzie (not sure if I saw Bob Willis actually play...if I did, I'd pick him!)
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,502
    Riviera said:

    As it's Movember how about a moustached Ashes XI. The only spot I couldn't fill was the spinner. Any ideas?

    Gooch
    Warner
    Boon
    Border
    Lamb
    Smith (Robin)
    Botham
    Russell
    Merv
    Johnson
    Lillee


    Ashley Mallett had a ripping good tache
    Max Walker all day long......
  • Is Finn being injured such a bad thing? ( obviously it is for him)

    To me, Finn has been lacking in zip for years, he's not the player he was
    His height could have been an asset on decent (i.e. bouncy) Aussie pitches. Really depends who is fit/selected to play alongside Anderson/Broad. A fit, firing Wood is our best option.
  • McBobbin said:

    The name you all seem to have forgotten is Sajid Mahmood

    Martin McCague shurely? An Australian Pom so perfect for a combined Ashes team...
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,651
    Flintoff was a fat bastard during his early England career.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    My team from the BBC's options:

    Hutton
    Sutcliffe
    Bradman
    Barrington
    Steve Waugh
    Miller
    Knott
    Warne
    Larwood
    Lillee
    Thomson

    Wanted to pick Deadly but how can you leave Warne out?
  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167
    Simonsen said:

    Riviera said:

    As it's Movember how about a moustached Ashes XI. The only spot I couldn't fill was the spinner. Any ideas?

    Gooch
    Warner
    Boon
    Border
    Lamb
    Smith (Robin)
    Botham
    Russell
    Merv
    Johnson
    Lillee


    Ashley Mallett had a ripping good tache
    Max Walker all day long......
    But he wasn't a spinner.
  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167
    LenGlover said:

    My team from the BBC's options:

    Hutton
    Sutcliffe
    Bradman
    Barrington
    Steve Waugh
    Miller
    Knott
    Warne
    Larwood
    Lillee
    Thomson

    Wanted to pick Deadly but how can you leave Warne out?

    Drop a quickie then!
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Not going to poop the Surrey thread party, but Curran T is a fairly mundane fast-medium seamer who can bat a bit. Aussies won't be quaking. But then, I guess, who was there? I might have thrown a surprise and gone with Jack Leach, but if it's a quick bowler...Plunkett? I don't know. I mean, I could get on my Worcs high-horse again and point out our own young quick who took a bagful last season. There's not much top talent around in batting or bowling ffs
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Oh, except Dan Lawrence. It'll seem ridiculous he wasn't on this tour in two years when he and Root are the hub of our batting