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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    Scoham said:

    Chef_addick said:

    Doucher's words of wisdom are spreading

    Odds on this twitter account being run by the man himself?
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,824
    Goonerhater said:

    It's the unknown known that gets you rather than the known known

    WHAT THE HELL DID THE POLICE DO TO OUR GOONERHATER???
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,990
    AFKABartram said:

    DOUCHER said:

    info bulletin:

    Robinson interview backs up my statement that DD had not happened
    Knew about meire going in the morning a bit before it was announced
    one striker nailed down to be signing in january - definite - been with us before, another, more experienced well into talks but a snag has developed
    konsa will not be going without a loan back
    heard a possible lookman loan
    RM running the show following meire resignation

    As ever, offering info for the board - not a wind up - if you don't like it or believe it - tough, poke it up your hole - no further posts from me in response to above.

    @DOUCHER 3 @Airman Brown 0
    Mavididi & Doyle. The snag being Doyle has a bloodclot and could be out until February.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    Scoham said:

    Pelling1993 said:

    cafc_harry said:

    Let’s say we believe Doucher for a second, I’d say the striker we’ve had before is more likely to be Mavididi than anyone else.

    It would certainly make the most sense.

    Oh goody! The player who has never scored a senior goal, the answer to all our problems...
    Yeah but he went on a good run once and nearly scored...
    He most certainly did it was a mazy slalom dribble at Rochdale away last season where Tex scored 2, Botaka the other, in a 'defences on top' 3-3 draw.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,304
    kafka said:

    Joe Piggot playing well for Maidstone. Just managing expectations

    Yeah so is Frank Nouble...
  • Goonerhater
    Goonerhater Posts: 12,677
    thats a unknown known
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Covered End said:

    AFKABartram said:

    DOUCHER said:

    info bulletin:

    Robinson interview backs up my statement that DD had not happened
    Knew about meire going in the morning a bit before it was announced
    one striker nailed down to be signing in january - definite - been with us before, another, more experienced well into talks but a snag has developed
    konsa will not be going without a loan back
    heard a possible lookman loan
    RM running the show following meire resignation

    As ever, offering info for the board - not a wind up - if you don't like it or believe it - tough, poke it up your hole - no further posts from me in response to above.

    @DOUCHER 3 @Airman Brown 0
    Mavididi & Doyle. The snag being Doyle has a bloodclot and could be out until February.
    Or Kieffer Moore, another name mentioned.
  • vff
    vff Posts: 6,881
    bobmunro said:

    shirty5 said:

    New owner, new manager

    I am waiting for terms of the sale. Is Duchatelet going to try & hold onto the Valley, Sparrows Lane & the Debt ? It would not surprise me that he has the arrogance & the ignorance to try & get away with that.

    It feels that he may want to control the assets / Debt & the club in the background. I do not trust Duchatelet one iota as it is clear, he has his own interests first. I would seriously question any bid / owner’s business acumen that allows Duchatelet that level of control.

    I seriously hope a bid such as that does not win out. Charlton needs to be able to rebuild a positive relationship with its supporters. That can only happen with Duchatelet out of the picture. Those ROT local candidates may still be needed.
  • Taxi_Lad
    Taxi_Lad Posts: 3,766
    Quite a few guessing/hoping that January 1st may be the day the announcement we all wish for will be made.
    In typical Charlton fashion, I expect to be disappointed
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  • Davidsmith
    Davidsmith Posts: 207
    Covered_End_Lad said:

    Davidsmith said:

    I have been away from the Valley and have not posted since Duchatalet messed up.
    Very interested with all the commentary about cost to a buyer, what about adding in at least £4.4mn of previous Directors loans, as apart from Murray they would all want their money back.
    They have the first charge on all the assets of the Club, would any new buyer really want to have unsecured loans sitting behind them?
    I would suggest that would be the first deal to be done unless buyer is pumping in Equity,which I very much doubt.
    I know if it was me in their position ,after helping to keep Club alive by leaving interest free loans in for Murray,Slater and Duchatalet that I might now be a little bit less flexible.
    Just saying.

    Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha good effort wum
    Covered_End_Lad said:

    Davidsmith said:

    I have been away from the Valley and have not posted since Duchatalet messed up.
    Very interested with all the commentary about cost to a buyer, what about adding in at least £4.4mn of previous Directors loans, as apart from Murray they would all want their money back.
    They have the first charge on all the assets of the Club, would any new buyer really want to have unsecured loans sitting behind them?
    I would suggest that would be the first deal to be done unless buyer is pumping in Equity,which I very much doubt.
    I know if it was me in their position ,after helping to keep Club alive by leaving interest free loans in for Murray,Slater and Duchatalet that I might now be a little bit less flexible.
    Just saying.

    Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha good effort wum
    Covered_End_Lad said:

    Davidsmith said:

    I have been away from the Valley and have not posted since Duchatalet messed up.
    Very interested with all the commentary about cost to a buyer, what about adding in at least £4.4mn of previous Directors loans, as apart from Murray they would all want their money back.
    They have the first charge on all the assets of the Club, would any new buyer really want to have unsecured loans sitting behind them?
    I would suggest that would be the first deal to be done unless buyer is pumping in Equity,which I very much doubt.
    I know if it was me in their position ,after helping to keep Club alive by leaving interest free loans in for Murray,Slater and Duchatalet that I might now be a little bit less flexible.
    Just saying.

    Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha good effort wum
    Davidsmith said:

    I have been away from the Valley and have not posted since Duchatalet messed up.
    Very interested with all the commentary about cost to a buyer, what about adding in at least £4.4mn of previous Directors loans, as apart from Murray they would all want their money back.
    They have the first charge on all the assets of the Club, would any new buyer really want to have unsecured loans sitting behind them?
    I would suggest that would be the first deal to be done unless buyer is pumping in Equity,which I very much doubt.
    I know if it was me in their position ,after helping to keep Club alive by leaving interest free loans in for Murray,Slater and Duchatalet that I might now be a little bit less flexible.
    Just saying.

  • Davidsmith
    Davidsmith Posts: 207
    Deal was done then Duchatalet realised that Ex Directors came first in Debt Queue, and if he had to pay them off to give clean title to buyer, then he would get less.
    Now looking for someone who will let him leave debt in place or a mug who will put his debt second in line with no assets like he did.
    This deal is a long way off.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,220
    Davidsmith said:

    Deal was done then Duchatalet realised that Ex Directors came first in Debt Queue, and if he had to pay them off to give clean title to buyer, then he would get less.
    Now looking for someone who will let him leave debt in place or a mug who will put his debt second in line with no assets like he did.
    This deal is a long way off.

    What is your source for that?
  • Davidsmith
    Davidsmith Posts: 207
    Ask Richard Murray you know him well, ask him if Roland will pay him and the other Ex Directors off, he bought Club without clearing charges why? Did he know? Did Meire and Joyes screw up?
    Any new buyer with a brain wants those charges lifted, and they are more valuable than Roland’s loans that are unsecured.
    My source, It’s common knowledge those guys want their money back if buyers want charges released and who wouldn’t in their shoes.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,458
    Thought ex directors only got their money when/if we reached the prem?
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,559
    Is this the same David Smith who used to be involved?
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    edited December 2017
    carly burn said:

    Thought ex directors only got their money when/if we reached the prem?

    They have first legal charge debentures I believe and nothing can be done with the assets until they are either repaid or they enter into some form of Postponement/Letters of Priority however one would hope this has already been addressed but maybe not, I'm NITK btw.
  • Davidsmith
    Davidsmith Posts: 207
    Unless someone wants to remove the charge on assets and then they have to pay the Debentures off.
    Duchatalet either didn’t care about first charge on assets when he purchased Club or some say did quick DD and never read all the documents or his people didn’t. Murray must have known terms though as he is biggest creditor in Debentures?
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    edited December 2017
    Davidsmith said:

    Unless someone wants to remove the charge on assets and then they have to pay the Debentures off.
    Duchatalet either didn’t care about first charge on assets when he purchased Club or some say did quick DD and never read all the documents or his people didn’t. Murray must have known terms though as he is biggest creditor in Debentures?

    This should have been identified in the DD and I'm sure would have been by the legal team engaged to undertake the work so all the ex directors would have had to be contacted with a proposition as to the repayment/postponement of their loans/charges.
  • Davidsmith
    Davidsmith Posts: 207
    My last comment as have to go.They want repayment , of course it came up in DD.
    Read my first comments above, Deal was Done and it must have popped up in DD, who pays?

    That’s all I can say.
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  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    Was told a long while ago that Meire didn’t understand the ex-directors’ charges, but given they have been very extensively discussed in the last few years - and to my certain knowledge Duchatelet has a direct line of communication to the ex-directors other than Murray and has had for a while - I would doubt he didn’t understand it at this stage.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    Davidsmith said:

    My last comment as have to go.They want repayment , of course it came up in DD.
    Read my first comments above, Deal was Done and it must have popped up in DD, who pays?

    That’s all I can say.

    Who pays? Assuming repayment is the only answer for one or several of the ex directors then that's for the buyer and seller to thrash out of course and that's all I can say, looking from the outside in.
  • Davidsmith
    Davidsmith Posts: 207
    Red Chaser you are spot on . Thus stalemate on deal. Airman I don’t know who he has direct communication with other than Murray, but if he has he ain’t understood they want repaying , and not fans of his .
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    Davidsmith said:

    Red Chaser you are spot on . Thus stalemate on deal. Airman I don’t know who he has direct communication with other than Murray, but if he has he ain’t understood they want repaying , and not fans of his .

    Nothing is impossible with Duchatelet, but what kind of idiot would have bought the business without understanding these charges?
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    Davidsmith said:

    Red Chaser you are spot on . Thus stalemate on deal. Airman I don’t know who he has direct communication with other than Murray, but if he has he ain’t understood they want repaying , and not fans of his .

    Not wishing to blow smoke up my own rear end I know I am David just tap on like under my posts :wink:
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    edited December 2017
    Airman Brown said:

    Davidsmith said:

    Red Chaser you are spot on . Thus stalemate on deal. Airman I don’t know who he has direct communication with other than Murray, but if he has he ain’t understood they want repaying , and not fans of his .

    Nothing is impossible with Duchatelet, but what kind of idiot would have bought the business without understanding these charges?
    One who had a lawyer, albeit whose qualifications not gained in the UK, involved in the process? :open_mouth:

    Edit; oh and more money than sense it transpires
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,220
    Davidsmith said:

    Ask Richard Murray you know him well, ask him if Roland will pay him and the other Ex Directors off, he bought Club without clearing charges why? Did he know? Did Meire and Joyes screw up?
    Any new buyer with a brain wants those charges lifted, and they are more valuable than Roland’s loans that are unsecured.
    My source, It’s common knowledge those guys want their money back if buyers want charges released and who wouldn’t in their shoes.

    Lots of assumptions about what the old director want there. I don't know what each one wants other than as fans they want the best for the club as they see it.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,458
    edited December 2017
    Henry Irving said:

    Davidsmith said:

    Ask Richard Murray you know him well, ask him if Roland will pay him and the other Ex Directors off, he bought Club without clearing charges why? Did he know? Did Meire and Joyes screw up?
    Any new buyer with a brain wants those charges lifted, and they are more valuable than Roland’s loans that are unsecured.
    My source, It’s common knowledge those guys want their money back if buyers want charges released and who wouldn’t in their shoes.

    Lots of assumptions about what the old director want there. I don't know what each one wants other than as fans they want the best for the club as they see it.
    And that's the problem. Murray sees his continued involvement as best for the club.

    All my opinion of course ,If a deal looks like it involves giving him the elbow then he won't sanction it.

    Bloke needs to take a long hard look at himself.
    Far from being it's saviour, he's sending this club further and further down the shitter.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    edited December 2017
    carly burn said:

    Henry Irving said:

    Davidsmith said:

    Ask Richard Murray you know him well, ask him if Roland will pay him and the other Ex Directors off, he bought Club without clearing charges why? Did he know? Did Meire and Joyes screw up?
    Any new buyer with a brain wants those charges lifted, and they are more valuable than Roland’s loans that are unsecured.
    My source, It’s common knowledge those guys want their money back if buyers want charges released and who wouldn’t in their shoes.

    Lots of assumptions about what the old director want there. I don't know what each one wants other than as fans they want the best for the club as they see it.
    And that's the problem. Murray sees his continued involvement as best for the club.

    All my opinion of course ,If a deal looks like it involves giving him the elbow then he won't sanction it.

    Bloke needs to take a long hard look at himself.
    Muzza needs one of those mirrors that the evil queen in Snow White used to have :wink:
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    carly burn said:

    Henry Irving said:

    Davidsmith said:

    Ask Richard Murray you know him well, ask him if Roland will pay him and the other Ex Directors off, he bought Club without clearing charges why? Did he know? Did Meire and Joyes screw up?
    Any new buyer with a brain wants those charges lifted, and they are more valuable than Roland’s loans that are unsecured.
    My source, It’s common knowledge those guys want their money back if buyers want charges released and who wouldn’t in their shoes.

    Lots of assumptions about what the old director want there. I don't know what each one wants other than as fans they want the best for the club as they see it.
    And that's the problem. Murray sees his continued involvement as best for the club.

    All my opinion of course ,If a deal looks like it involves giving him the elbow then he won't sanction it.

    Bloke needs to take a long hard look at himself.
    Hopefully murray won't have any say in it
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