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  • I know there were only 15 people in the crowd but did any of the other 14 think Ajose was on side. He started behind the full back and out paced him?
  • I know there were only 15 people in the crowd but did any of the other 14 think Ajose was on side. He started behind the full back and out paced him?

    My initial reaction was onside, but I wasn't side on to know for sure.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,386

    I know there were only 15 people in the crowd but did any of the other 14 think Ajose was on side. He started behind the full back and out paced him?

    Not sure, but he knew he'd been flagged offside I think. Not sure he would have been so cool with the finish if he hadn't.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,946
    JamesSeed said:

    I know there were only 15 people in the crowd but did any of the other 14 think Ajose was on side. He started behind the full back and out paced him?

    Not sure, but he knew he'd been flagged offside I think. Not sure he would have been so cool with the finish if he hadn't.
    Yes it was a cute finish, but the keeper had stopped anyway

    I've no idea whether he was onside or not
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,432
    https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5aad5f95182dd/robinson-on-a-lack-of-cutting-edge-in-a-0-0-draw-with-fleetwood-town

    On formation

    "I thought Nicky and Michal looked good as a two up front. We played two systems today and got the same outcome. We went to 4-4-2 and it was the same."

    Maybe try starting games that way and give it longer than 30 minutes Karl.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,768
    Oggy Red said:

    With twenty minutes to go defensively strong ought to go out the window when you need 3 points!

    We did that against Oxford, 2-1 up in the 88th minute.

    Defensively strong did go out of the window! :smile:

    No we didn't - but the point is you need 3 points so you take risks. So yes, courage involves risk - some have it and some don't! Against a team like Fleetwood it is a calculated risk.
  • Redvalleyeast
    Redvalleyeast Posts: 4,737
    Now that ive thawed out i can give my reasoned views to this afternoons "entertainment"......


















    What a load of fucking shit.
  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,290
    Very poor.
    The only slight thing was that I thought Zyro and Ajose should enough together to deserve a start together as a pair next week. I suspect most people there agreed. Almost everyone it seems except Robbo who has already written off the idea. Even if he does double track and play it, it hardly fills the confidence when he says this sort of thing does it. He's just waiting for his payoff now.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,768
    I think Ajose and Magennis could work with Zyro (prefer Mav though) and Fosu playing wide - at home against poorer teams that is.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,946
    Scoham said:

    https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5aad5f95182dd/robinson-on-a-lack-of-cutting-edge-in-a-0-0-draw-with-fleetwood-town

    On formation

    "I thought Nicky and Michal looked good as a two up front. We played two systems today and got the same outcome. We went to 4-4-2 and it was the same."

    Maybe try starting games that way and give it longer than 30 minutes Karl.

    Soon after going to 442, he then took off Marshall, a conventional winger who's strength is getting crosses into the box, maybe Ajose could have got on the end of one...

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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,712
    Now home, thawed out & had a kebab. so here's my take on this afternoon............

    Absolute rubbish. I've never seen a side so bereft of ideas & with the first thought to pass backwards or sideways. At times JFC was playing as an extra defender he was so deep. Started brightly but faded after 25 mins & from then on is was turgid. Good move to go 4-4-2, but why take off Magennis ??? Ajose looked sharp & was always available, but again played too deep at times. Sarr was a decent deputy at LB & made some great clearances (especially in the 1st half) but unfortunately doesn't have the skill to do anything with the ball going forward (but then he is a defender & so I can't moan at him for that). Aribo tried to go forward with it, as did Fosu, but the latter is a shadow of his pre-injury form. Kaikai offered v.little going forward but did get stuck in defensively. Bauer & Pearce both solid, although Pearce did dwell on the ball once too often which nearly (and should have) led to a goal for Fleetwood.

    As for the game...........rubbish corners & hopeless in front of goal. I could have played in goal for Fleetwood and not conceded. That is now 1 goal in the last 4 games. 1st clean sheet for Fleetwood this calendar year (10/12 games ?) which followed Blackpool's first win at home for 5 months. We are abysmal & the sooner KR leaves the better. I see he is now blaming Bowyer & JJ for the lack of goals....wtf ?? he brought the players in, he takes the training sessions, he picks the team. The buck stops with him. When the team was announced at 2pm me & Golfie Jnr agreed that we had a great team on paper (for this league) and if they could not beat the 4th from bottom side AT HOME then there is something very wrong. Not only did we not win, but we didn't score or even look like troubling their goalkeeper. We could have played until midnight & still not scored. I have no idea was goes on every week during training but I suggest that a coaching badge is not worth the paper its written on.

    Clueless.
  • jonseventyfive
    jonseventyfive Posts: 3,358
    Pretty dire stuff that matched the snow drizzle.
  • Trying to be objective: frustrating game in dire weather not actually a terrible result - I think we're unbeaten so far in all 10 games against the bottom 6 sides, which is what a team aiming at promotion would expect.

    Our trouble is dropping points everywhere else. Walsall (a) + Oxford U (a) + Blackpool (h) + Oxford U (h) + Doncaster R (a) + Blackpool (a) all come to mind. We really should have had an additional 11 points from those fixtures alone. (And I'm not even mentioning both Gillingham matches). Had Robinson been able to gather those we would be in a comfortable play-off spot. But....I've seen enough of his set up and style to conclude (for some months) that he isn't up to doing that.

    As for the team we put out on the day I thought Amos was OK, Sarr had a good match, Pearce and Bauer both OK, Konsa v. average (does anyone really think him worth £8m?) + we looked good in midfield but, as usual, couldn't score because we don't have an automatic goal scorer in our squad. At best Magennis is a supporting striker. He can't carry the line by himself. In so far as they had a chance I thought the Zyro + Ajose partnership looked quite positive.

    Looks like the new owner will happen - at some point. We need a new manager, but, not convinced about new players across the board. A new manager might get more out of this lot.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,386

    I think Ajose and Magennis could work with Zyro (prefer Mav though) and Fosu playing wide - at home against poorer teams that is.

    I though Zyro looked the better target man?
  • Nicholas
    Nicholas Posts: 7,635
    Goodbye Karl thanks for the memories nah not really fuckoff
  • For a man who stated that the buck stops with the Manager, he is again blaming everything and everybody bar him . I really wanted to give him a chance at the start of the season but he really is useless and needs to find alternative employment.
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,163
    The only time we went forward was after about 30 mins when the small crowd got on the players backs, lasted 5 minutes.
  • My thoughts- Mogodon's great picture in the match thread

    Looking at that picture just makes me sad.I didn't bother today after last week.my next game will be Portsmouth...on the piss.
  • BR3red
    BR3red Posts: 1,715

    Trying to be objective: frustrating game in dire weather not actually a terrible result - I think we're unbeaten so far in all 10 games against the bottom 6 sides, which is what a team aiming at promotion would expect.

    Our trouble is dropping points everywhere else. Walsall (a) + Oxford U (a) + Blackpool (h) + Oxford U (h) + Doncaster R (a) + Blackpool (a) all come to mind. We really should have had an additional 11 points from those fixtures alone. (And I'm not even mentioning both Gillingham matches). Had Robinson been able to gather those we would be in a comfortable play-off spot. But....I've seen enough of his set up and style to conclude (for some months) that he isn't up to doing that.

    As for the team we put out on the day I thought Amos was OK, Sarr had a good match, Pearce and Bauer both OK, Konsa v. average (does anyone really think him worth £8m?) + we looked good in midfield but, as usual, couldn't score because we don't have an automatic goal scorer in our squad. At best Magennis is a supporting striker. He can't carry the line by himself. In so far as they had a chance I thought the Zyro + Ajose partnership looked quite positive.

    Looks like the new owner will happen - at some point. We need a new manager, but, not convinced about new players across the board. A new manager might get more out of this lot.

    Sorry but you are not being objective comparing us with 10 games unbeaten against bottom sides.

    The reality is we are a bottom 6 side (on form)

    We are 19th in the league last 6 games.

    Fleetwood??


    23rd....

    Spin it how you wish, we are just not very good.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,916
    i really think its time for jacko to be given a go - everyone is bored to death of the predictability of it all now - go 442 and give jfc and magennis a rest - nothing to lose - this 4231 crap is going nowhere

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  • JamesSeed said:

    I think Ajose and Magennis could work with Zyro (prefer Mav though) and Fosu playing wide - at home against poorer teams that is.

    I though Zyro looked the better target man?
    That’s because he was moving rather than standing on the spot and he had Ajose to double up with. I thought Ajose actually looked like a hungry striker today. I’d start him next game but only if he’s got somebody up there with him
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,386
    DOUCHER said:

    i really think its time for jacko to be given a go - everyone is bored to death of the predictability of it all now - go 442 and give jfc and magennis a rest - nothing to lose - this 4231 crap is going nowhere

    Played 442 in the second half. Would Jacko want it? I doubt it.
  • Oakster
    Oakster Posts: 6,812
    All of you moaning about 4231 on here








    should have made the effort to go & the gate might have broken the 5000 mark
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,916
    JamesSeed said:

    DOUCHER said:

    i really think its time for jacko to be given a go - everyone is bored to death of the predictability of it all now - go 442 and give jfc and magennis a rest - nothing to lose - this 4231 crap is going nowhere

    Played 442 in the second half. Would Jacko want it? I doubt it.
    don't know but why not? great experience, rd on his way out - a chance to give this season one last go, get fans on side - seems a no brainer to me
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,916
    we were more of a threat second half that's for sure
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,869
    edited March 2018
    DOUCHER said:

    we were more of a threat second half that's for sure

    I think our game plan consists of start fast and try and get a goal in the first ten mins of a half. If that doesn’t happen our energy level and attacking intent drops and the other team plays their way into the half.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,916

    DOUCHER said:

    we were more of a threat second half that's for sure

    I think our game plan consists of start fast and try and get a goal in the first ten mins of a half. If that doesn’t happen our energy level and attacking intent drops Andy the other team plays their way into the half.
    agreed but we never do score early on. the only difference to the normal pattern today was that the oppo didn't score late on. mavidivi coming back is our only chance - that and dropping magennis and jfc and playing zyro, ajose and i thought kalkai put his body onm the line today and just needs a break. fosu and mavidivi r mustard and if fit and we get the rest right, there is a chance this season. bauer is key as well.
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,771
    DOUCHER said:

    i really think its time for jacko to be given a go - everyone is bored to death of the predictability of it all now - go 442 and give jfc and magennis a rest - nothing to lose - this 4231 crap is going nowhere

    If I was Jacko I'd run a mile if asked to manage this sorry lot.
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,829
    Be lucky if we see another win this season