The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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This is accurate ... except it was the 70’sDA9 said:
I was told Brighton away, 7-0 loss early 80’s, major tear up in the park outside the goldstone after the game, OB fell off his horse as it reared up during the melee, almost happened at Horwich station after Bolton FA cup QF game as wellElfsborgAddick said:Grimsby away years ago and a police horse, something like that.
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I doubt very much ordinary fans are the target of a £50m share issue.
If it is true, and I'm far from convinced it is, then they will be looking for corporate investors IMHO.
Duchatelet isn't a terrible owner because he doesn't spend money or doesn't have money. He has and he does.
He's a bad owner because he has no interest or intention to make the club successful on the pitch and never has. Right from the start he said he wasn't interested in winning games.
We shall have to see what the Aussies, if they actually, finally, do a deal, have planned.
Remember the six questions that people laughed at when the Spivs took over? Still need them answered under the new lot.
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No, what were they?Henry Irving said:I doubt very much ordinary fans are the target of a £50m share issue.
If it is true, and I'm far from convinced it is, then they will be looking for corporate investors IMHO.
Duchatelet isn't a terrible owner because he doesn't spend money or doesn't have money. He has and he does.
He's a bad owner because he has no interest or intention to make the club successful on the pitch and never has. Right from the start he said he wasn't interested in winning games.
We shall have to see what the Aussies, if they actually, finally, do a deal, have planned.
Remember the six questions that people laughed at when the Spivs took over? Still need them answered under the new lot.
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Airman Brown said:
Nobody really knows whether the Aussies would be good for Charlton or better than any other potential owner, but if they get the club out of the grip of Duchatelet they will have done us all a service.
Thank you Airman Brown.1 -
Actually 30% less than Huddersfield that season, who finished 4th.charente addick said:
High League 1 wages though.Scoham said:
Not many League 1 clubs that get promoted spend their way out of this league. Powell made a lot signings but not many were for a fee. Those that we did pay a fee for weren’t big money signings.nth london addick said:What needs to happen is realistic expectations, whatever happens after RD will need to be received by the fan base with patience
That will be the most difficult thing for many
If the rumours are right and it’s the Aussie lot then spending our way out of the league will be unlikely
Again I will remind people about AFCW. Owned by the fans running a £4m budget, and have raised the finance to build their own ground.
I wouldn't be surprised if we have a top 3 budget this year because of all the wasted money. I suppose RD will have made sure that we rather than STVV are paying for most of Vetokele. How much is Navy Sarr on? The players whose contracts we have cancelled, there will still be some amortised costs this year from those.
And if I am right you can bet a tinny of XXXX that by now Andrew Muir is well aware of all that.
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We have to give any new owners a chance, even if only for the fact they aren't Roly. But I won't be joining in any chants of "We've got our Charlton back", until we see what the new lot are about.
It isn't about money for me, it is about becoming enmeshed in the club and embracing what makes us special. Having oodles of cash helps though.12 -
cfgs said:
We have to give any new owners a chance, even if only for the fact they aren't Roly. But I won't be joining in any chants of "We've got our Charlton back", until we see what the new lot are about.
It isn't about money for me, it is about becoming enmeshed in the club and embracing what makes us special. Having oodles of cash helps though.
That’s why I said fans need patience as all of the points you make about what you want owners to be are far more important in the long runcfgs said:We have to give any new owners a chance, even if only for the fact they aren't Roly. But I won't be joining in any chants of "We've got our Charlton back", until we see what the new lot are about.
It isn't about money for me, it is about becoming enmeshed in the club and embracing what makes us special. Having oodles of cash helps though.
But most people don’t care about anything other than the results on a Saturday and if the investment is not there in plain player signings then those fans will soon become impatient0 -
1. Who owns the club?sillav nitram said:
No, what were they?Henry Irving said:I doubt very much ordinary fans are the target of a £50m share issue.
If it is true, and I'm far from convinced it is, then they will be looking for corporate investors IMHO.
Duchatelet isn't a terrible owner because he doesn't spend money or doesn't have money. He has and he does.
He's a bad owner because he has no interest or intention to make the club successful on the pitch and never has. Right from the start he said he wasn't interested in winning games.
We shall have to see what the Aussies, if they actually, finally, do a deal, have planned.
Remember the six questions that people laughed at when the Spivs took over? Still need them answered under the new lot.
WIOTOS
2. What is the business plan?
3. How is the business plan being funded?
4. What are the plans for the Valley?
5. What are the plans for the training ground?
6. What is the exit strategy?11 -
Tbh results are the most important thing, but people have to be realistic there aren't many owners like Citeh's out there.nth london addick said:cfgs said:We have to give any new owners a chance, even if only for the fact they aren't Roly. But I won't be joining in any chants of "We've got our Charlton back", until we see what the new lot are about.
It isn't about money for me, it is about becoming enmeshed in the club and embracing what makes us special. Having oodles of cash helps though.
That’s why I said fans need patience as all of the points you make about what you want owners to be are far more important in the long runcfgs said:We have to give any new owners a chance, even if only for the fact they aren't Roly. But I won't be joining in any chants of "We've got our Charlton back", until we see what the new lot are about.
It isn't about money for me, it is about becoming enmeshed in the club and embracing what makes us special. Having oodles of cash helps though.
But most people don’t care about anything other than the results on a Saturday and if the investment is not there in plain player signings then those fans will soon become impatient0 - Sponsored links:
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All valid apart from the last one.Henry Irving said:
1. Who owns the club?sillav nitram said:
No, what were they?Henry Irving said:I doubt very much ordinary fans are the target of a £50m share issue.
If it is true, and I'm far from convinced it is, then they will be looking for corporate investors IMHO.
Duchatelet isn't a terrible owner because he doesn't spend money or doesn't have money. He has and he does.
He's a bad owner because he has no interest or intention to make the club successful on the pitch and never has. Right from the start he said he wasn't interested in winning games.
We shall have to see what the Aussies, if they actually, finally, do a deal, have planned.
Remember the six questions that people laughed at when the Spivs took over? Still need them answered under the new lot.
WIOTOS
2. What is the business plan?
3. How is the business plan being funded?
4. What are the plans for the Valley?
5. What are the plans for the training ground?
6. What is the exit strategy?
I seriously doubt you'd get an honest answer and I hope it's not something they've thought of in any great detail.3 -
Drifting off topic but without the prose.
Whatever happens and whoever is our owner next term we are in for yet another squad makeover. Nothing under Duchatelet has been done with a view to building up to having a strong squad. It’s been piecemeal, bizarre and inadequate. That’s the first thing that needs to change. It’s unlikely that we are going to be able to keep Amos or Dasilva. Mavididi, Zyro and the Palace disappointment will all be sent packing. Perhaps harsh on Stephy actually who I wouldn’t mind seeing back. Before we progress at all we need to be signing perhaps eight players and unless we sign a new strike force we won’t be going anywhere.
I’m confident in saying league one next season and I expect us to be up there but I’m not expecting instant success. I’ll settle for a four year plan to get us top half Championship.
I don’t want Harry Kewell and will be very disappointed if he’s appointed.8 -
Disagree completely. That they won't give an honest answer should be a reason to worry, not to not ask the question. Imagine we'd known what Duchatelet's aim was from the start?carly burn said:
All valid apart from the last one.Henry Irving said:
1. Who owns the club?sillav nitram said:
No, what were they?Henry Irving said:I doubt very much ordinary fans are the target of a £50m share issue.
If it is true, and I'm far from convinced it is, then they will be looking for corporate investors IMHO.
Duchatelet isn't a terrible owner because he doesn't spend money or doesn't have money. He has and he does.
He's a bad owner because he has no interest or intention to make the club successful on the pitch and never has. Right from the start he said he wasn't interested in winning games.
We shall have to see what the Aussies, if they actually, finally, do a deal, have planned.
Remember the six questions that people laughed at when the Spivs took over? Still need them answered under the new lot.
WIOTOS
2. What is the business plan?
3. How is the business plan being funded?
4. What are the plans for the Valley?
5. What are the plans for the training ground?
6. What is the exit strategy?
I seriously doubt you'd get an honest answer and I hope it's not something they've thought of in any great detail.
And they should very much be thinking about how they are going to get out if they are looking for other investors as they would be one of their questions.
The exit strategy could be to sell once we're in the Prem, win the champions league then sell, give it five years then close the club down, hand the club over to the museum, merge with Millwall or something else. The answer would, if answered honestly, a clear idea of what the owners what from the club and then fans can decide.4 -
You’ve heard about the merger too then Henry ?2
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But how would we know if it's an honest answer or not?Henry Irving said:
Disagree completely. That they won't give an honest answer should be a reason to worry, not to not ask the question. Imagine we'd known what Duchatelet's aim was from the start?carly burn said:
All valid apart from the last one.Henry Irving said:
1. Who owns the club?sillav nitram said:
No, what were they?Henry Irving said:I doubt very much ordinary fans are the target of a £50m share issue.
If it is true, and I'm far from convinced it is, then they will be looking for corporate investors IMHO.
Duchatelet isn't a terrible owner because he doesn't spend money or doesn't have money. He has and he does.
He's a bad owner because he has no interest or intention to make the club successful on the pitch and never has. Right from the start he said he wasn't interested in winning games.
We shall have to see what the Aussies, if they actually, finally, do a deal, have planned.
Remember the six questions that people laughed at when the Spivs took over? Still need them answered under the new lot.
WIOTOS
2. What is the business plan?
3. How is the business plan being funded?
4. What are the plans for the Valley?
5. What are the plans for the training ground?
6. What is the exit strategy?
I seriously doubt you'd get an honest answer and I hope it's not something they've thought of in any great detail.
And they should very much be thinking about how they are going to get out if they are looking for other investors as they would be one of their questions.
The exit strategy could be to sell once we're in the Prem, win the champions league then sell, give it five years then close the club down, hand the club over to the museum, merge with Millwall or something else. The answer would, if answered honestly, a clear idea of what the owners what from the club and then fans can decide.
If they do answer they'll just say what the fans want to hear won't they.?
In the fickle world of football an exit strategy probably changes on a monthly basis. No way you'd get an answer imo.
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You didn't mention the planned move to the Peninsula!Henry Irving said:
Disagree completely. That they won't give an honest answer should be a reason to worry, not to not ask the question. Imagine we'd known what Duchatelet's aim was from the start?carly burn said:
All valid apart from the last one.Henry Irving said:
1. Who owns the club?sillav nitram said:
No, what were they?Henry Irving said:I doubt very much ordinary fans are the target of a £50m share issue.
If it is true, and I'm far from convinced it is, then they will be looking for corporate investors IMHO.
Duchatelet isn't a terrible owner because he doesn't spend money or doesn't have money. He has and he does.
He's a bad owner because he has no interest or intention to make the club successful on the pitch and never has. Right from the start he said he wasn't interested in winning games.
We shall have to see what the Aussies, if they actually, finally, do a deal, have planned.
Remember the six questions that people laughed at when the Spivs took over? Still need them answered under the new lot.
WIOTOS
2. What is the business plan?
3. How is the business plan being funded?
4. What are the plans for the Valley?
5. What are the plans for the training ground?
6. What is the exit strategy?
I seriously doubt you'd get an honest answer and I hope it's not something they've thought of in any great detail.
And they should very much be thinking about how they are going to get out if they are looking for other investors as they would be one of their questions.
The exit strategy could be to sell once we're in the Prem, win the champions league then sell, give it five years then close the club down, hand the club over to the museum, merge with Millwall or something else. The answer would, if answered honestly, a clear idea of what the owners what from the club and then fans can decide.
Seriously if I asked my boss what the exit strategy was she would say something like "at this point there isn't one". And that would be the truth.
There are potential scenarios or 'what ifs' but that would not be a strategy.
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Won't that apply to the other five questions too? They could lie in response to them too.carly burn said:
But how would we know if it's an honest answer or not?Henry Irving said:
Disagree completely. That they won't give an honest answer should be a reason to worry, not to not ask the question. Imagine we'd known what Duchatelet's aim was from the start?carly burn said:
All valid apart from the last one.Henry Irving said:
1. Who owns the club?sillav nitram said:
No, what were they?Henry Irving said:I doubt very much ordinary fans are the target of a £50m share issue.
If it is true, and I'm far from convinced it is, then they will be looking for corporate investors IMHO.
Duchatelet isn't a terrible owner because he doesn't spend money or doesn't have money. He has and he does.
He's a bad owner because he has no interest or intention to make the club successful on the pitch and never has. Right from the start he said he wasn't interested in winning games.
We shall have to see what the Aussies, if they actually, finally, do a deal, have planned.
Remember the six questions that people laughed at when the Spivs took over? Still need them answered under the new lot.
WIOTOS
2. What is the business plan?
3. How is the business plan being funded?
4. What are the plans for the Valley?
5. What are the plans for the training ground?
6. What is the exit strategy?
I seriously doubt you'd get an honest answer and I hope it's not something they've thought of in any great detail.
And they should very much be thinking about how they are going to get out if they are looking for other investors as they would be one of their questions.
The exit strategy could be to sell once we're in the Prem, win the champions league then sell, give it five years then close the club down, hand the club over to the museum, merge with Millwall or something else. The answer would, if answered honestly, a clear idea of what the owners what from the club and then fans can decide.
If they do answer they'll just say what the fans want to hear won't they.?
In the fickle world of football an exit strategy probably changes on a monthly basis. No way you'd get an answer imo.
Who owned the club under the spivs?
It's a difficult question, I know, but that is why it matters and why it is valid.0 -
Maybe the thing to keep in mind is about control of the land. This appeared to be Jimenez plan B after Kevin Cash withdrew his support. The property / land aspect is an important part of Duchatelet football club deals. He may see that as a way to get his money back. It will be interesting to hear what the Aussies have to say about that. Hearing that potentially, the Aussies are still looking to raise investment after being involved so long, I am not finding encouraging.razil said:Sounds like worst case the spivs mk2 but without the skills of Varney. That may be a bit unfair on them as I doubt they are anything as bad as Jiminez
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See question 4bobmunro said:
You didn't mention the planned move to the Peninsula!Henry Irving said:
Disagree completely. That they won't give an honest answer should be a reason to worry, not to not ask the question. Imagine we'd known what Duchatelet's aim was from the start?carly burn said:
All valid apart from the last one.Henry Irving said:
1. Who owns the club?sillav nitram said:
No, what were they?Henry Irving said:I doubt very much ordinary fans are the target of a £50m share issue.
If it is true, and I'm far from convinced it is, then they will be looking for corporate investors IMHO.
Duchatelet isn't a terrible owner because he doesn't spend money or doesn't have money. He has and he does.
He's a bad owner because he has no interest or intention to make the club successful on the pitch and never has. Right from the start he said he wasn't interested in winning games.
We shall have to see what the Aussies, if they actually, finally, do a deal, have planned.
Remember the six questions that people laughed at when the Spivs took over? Still need them answered under the new lot.
WIOTOS
2. What is the business plan?
3. How is the business plan being funded?
4. What are the plans for the Valley?
5. What are the plans for the training ground?
6. What is the exit strategy?
I seriously doubt you'd get an honest answer and I hope it's not something they've thought of in any great detail.
And they should very much be thinking about how they are going to get out if they are looking for other investors as they would be one of their questions.
The exit strategy could be to sell once we're in the Prem, win the champions league then sell, give it five years then close the club down, hand the club over to the museum, merge with Millwall or something else. The answer would, if answered honestly, a clear idea of what the owners what from the club and then fans can decide.
Seriously if I asked my boss what the exit strategy was she would say something like "at this point there isn't one". And that would be the truth.
There are potential scenarios or 'what ifs' but that would not be a strategy.
You work for a family business so the strategy would be to hand on a profitable business to the kids would be my guess. But I would think she has an exit strategy ie when she'll retire and make you boss.0 -
If a merger does take place, will we
be Charlwall
Or Milton
Really would be paradise lost
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Agree, but it was through being one of the biggest clubs in the division and selling Jenkinson. Not from an owner buying his way out of the league. There were also said to be clubs with bigger budgets than us that season.charente addick said:
High League 1 wages though.Scoham said:
Not many League 1 clubs that get promoted spend their way out of this league. Powell made a lot signings but not many were for a fee. Those that we did pay a fee for weren’t big money signings.nth london addick said:What needs to happen is realistic expectations, whatever happens after RD will need to be received by the fan base with patience
That will be the most difficult thing for many
If the rumours are right and it’s the Aussie lot then spending our way out of the league will be unlikely3 -
There is that, of course - but she'd better fecking hurry up as I think I might retire before her (if she'll let me!).Henry Irving said:
See question 4bobmunro said:
You didn't mention the planned move to the Peninsula!Henry Irving said:
Disagree completely. That they won't give an honest answer should be a reason to worry, not to not ask the question. Imagine we'd known what Duchatelet's aim was from the start?carly burn said:
All valid apart from the last one.Henry Irving said:
1. Who owns the club?sillav nitram said:
No, what were they?Henry Irving said:I doubt very much ordinary fans are the target of a £50m share issue.
If it is true, and I'm far from convinced it is, then they will be looking for corporate investors IMHO.
Duchatelet isn't a terrible owner because he doesn't spend money or doesn't have money. He has and he does.
He's a bad owner because he has no interest or intention to make the club successful on the pitch and never has. Right from the start he said he wasn't interested in winning games.
We shall have to see what the Aussies, if they actually, finally, do a deal, have planned.
Remember the six questions that people laughed at when the Spivs took over? Still need them answered under the new lot.
WIOTOS
2. What is the business plan?
3. How is the business plan being funded?
4. What are the plans for the Valley?
5. What are the plans for the training ground?
6. What is the exit strategy?
I seriously doubt you'd get an honest answer and I hope it's not something they've thought of in any great detail.
And they should very much be thinking about how they are going to get out if they are looking for other investors as they would be one of their questions.
The exit strategy could be to sell once we're in the Prem, win the champions league then sell, give it five years then close the club down, hand the club over to the museum, merge with Millwall or something else. The answer would, if answered honestly, a clear idea of what the owners what from the club and then fans can decide.
Seriously if I asked my boss what the exit strategy was she would say something like "at this point there isn't one". And that would be the truth.
There are potential scenarios or 'what ifs' but that would not be a strategy.
You work for a family business so the strategy would be to hand on a profitable business to the kids would be my guess. But I would think she has an exit strategy ie when she'll retire and make you boss.3 -
As it is for every League One team.nth london addick said:What needs to happen is realistic expectations, whatever happens after RD will need to be received by the fan base with patience
That will be the most difficult thing for many
If the rumours are right and it’s the Aussie lot then spending our way out of the league will be unlikely1 -
Naby Sarr, according to Robinson, is on £8k a week. For two more years. He must be the highest paid player at the club now.PragueAddick said:
Actually 30% less than Huddersfield that season, who finished 4th.charente addick said:
High League 1 wages though.Scoham said:
Not many League 1 clubs that get promoted spend their way out of this league. Powell made a lot signings but not many were for a fee. Those that we did pay a fee for weren’t big money signings.nth london addick said:What needs to happen is realistic expectations, whatever happens after RD will need to be received by the fan base with patience
That will be the most difficult thing for many
If the rumours are right and it’s the Aussie lot then spending our way out of the league will be unlikely
Again I will remind people about AFCW. Owned by the fans running a £4m budget, and have raised the finance to build their own ground.
I wouldn't be surprised if we have a top 3 budget this year because of all the wasted money. I suppose RD will have made sure that we rather than STVV are paying for most of Vetokele. How much is Navy Sarr on? The players whose contracts we have cancelled, there will still be some amortised costs this year from those.
And if I am right you can bet a tinny of XXXX that by now Andrew Muir is well aware of all that.
I don’t think you can amortise the fees paid for players on cancelled contracts over future years, although deals cancelled in 2017/18 - Teixeira the obvious one - would feature.
Severance payments would be in the relevant year’s operating costs. Fees are separate from that. Very likely we are paying Vetokele.1 -
How much are we still paying Igor?1
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Huddersfield were on a 27-season long unbeaten run then so most of that wage bill would have been performance-related bonuses.PragueAddick said:
Actually 30% less than Huddersfield that season, who finished 4th.charente addick said:
High League 1 wages though.Scoham said:
Not many League 1 clubs that get promoted spend their way out of this league. Powell made a lot signings but not many were for a fee. Those that we did pay a fee for weren’t big money signings.nth london addick said:What needs to happen is realistic expectations, whatever happens after RD will need to be received by the fan base with patience
That will be the most difficult thing for many
If the rumours are right and it’s the Aussie lot then spending our way out of the league will be unlikely19 -
Wow, they were unbeaten for 27 seasons, is that in the Guinness Book of records?Briston_Addick said:
Huddersfield were on a 27-season long unbeaten run then so most of that wage bill would have been performance-related bonuses.PragueAddick said:
Actually 30% less than Huddersfield that season, who finished 4th.charente addick said:
High League 1 wages though.Scoham said:
Not many League 1 clubs that get promoted spend their way out of this league. Powell made a lot signings but not many were for a fee. Those that we did pay a fee for weren’t big money signings.nth london addick said:What needs to happen is realistic expectations, whatever happens after RD will need to be received by the fan base with patience
That will be the most difficult thing for many
If the rumours are right and it’s the Aussie lot then spending our way out of the league will be unlikely4 -
I think the word is “whoosh”!sillav nitram said:
Wow, they were unbeaten for 27 seasons, is that in the Guinness Book of records?Briston_Addick said:
Huddersfield were on a 27-season long unbeaten run then so most of that wage bill would have been performance-related bonuses.PragueAddick said:
Actually 30% less than Huddersfield that season, who finished 4th.charente addick said:
High League 1 wages though.Scoham said:
Not many League 1 clubs that get promoted spend their way out of this league. Powell made a lot signings but not many were for a fee. Those that we did pay a fee for weren’t big money signings.nth london addick said:What needs to happen is realistic expectations, whatever happens after RD will need to be received by the fan base with patience
That will be the most difficult thing for many
If the rumours are right and it’s the Aussie lot then spending our way out of the league will be unlikely10 -
Unfortunately not, they got knocked out of the world cup by Chelsea who hadn't been beaten since before the war.sillav nitram said:
Wow, they were unbeaten for 27 seasons, is that in the Guinness Book of records?Briston_Addick said:
Huddersfield were on a 27-season long unbeaten run then so most of that wage bill would have been performance-related bonuses.PragueAddick said:
Actually 30% less than Huddersfield that season, who finished 4th.charente addick said:
High League 1 wages though.Scoham said:
Not many League 1 clubs that get promoted spend their way out of this league. Powell made a lot signings but not many were for a fee. Those that we did pay a fee for weren’t big money signings.nth london addick said:What needs to happen is realistic expectations, whatever happens after RD will need to be received by the fan base with patience
That will be the most difficult thing for many
If the rumours are right and it’s the Aussie lot then spending our way out of the league will be unlikely
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