Slightly concerning if the new owners don't have 40m to buy him out completely
Been my concern with the Aussie bid all along that they don’t have the money needed to run the club
I will wait and see what the official line is before getting excited
If someone doesn’t have 40 mil to buy us out lock stock and smoking barrels then there is serious implications on them being able to make us compete in this league let alone any other ambitious plans they may think they can achieve
Just asking if there’s a reason why someone wouldn’t want to pay all the money immediately?
Or is it sale or return?
If you were buying the club for £50m, would you think a deal to pay £30m and the balance of £20m back at the rate of 10% of youth player sales a good one?
I’m simply asking the question, which nobody has given any answer too, what benefit if any, would it be to a buyer, not to pay everything upfront?
The debt carries a 3% rate of interest. If I was a wealthy entrepreneur I would be looking to make nearer 20% on my capital. So if I can use someone else’s capital at a cost of 3% I use my own £40m of capital elsewhere earning 20% leaving me 17% after paying back the loan.
I don't doubt you, Dipps, but tell me please - if I was a wealthy entrepreneur how would I make 20% on my capital?
Shares yep that ended so well last time for us small shareholders !The letters of thanks and the column inches in the program ,will cherish them for ever.
Nobody really knows whether the Aussies would be good for Charlton or better than any other potential owner, but if they get the club out of the grip of Duchatelet they will have done us all a service.
Whether they could attract further investors would depend on the credibility of their business plan and management - onerous obligations to RD would of themselves damage their proposition.
This isn’t the 1990s or 2000s, so we are probably looking at a few wealthy individuals rather than an open sale of shares to the public for which I guess you would have to be listed somewhere (as Charlton were on the AIM) rather than a private company?
I would be inclined to buy a very modest number of shares, but absolutely not if Duchatelet owns any part of the club. It would be absurd to oppose him then financially associate with him.
Are the Aussies really any closer than they were two months ago?
I have a feeling Thursdays visit was a pressure applying exercise.
They don't sell match tickets for the directors box as far as I can tell. Somebody must have invited or approved of Mr Muir being there.
RM is in charge of day to day matters and it was he that met them in reception. Proof if any was needed that RM is backing the fans in getting rid of Rolly.
Certainly you can’t run a football club if you’re skint but you can run a football club if you have a good plan and the right people to make it happen without throwing silly money at it.
An example are our opponents tomorrow and as much as it hurts me to say it our knuckle dragging neighbours.
If it’s the Aussies which seems likely, I’m expecting that good plan with sensible amounts of expenditure. Anything less and you might as well flush the money they’ve already spent straight down the toilet.
A well run club with a good plan to build up to some success is exactly what we need. We can all get behind that. Even the Spivs had that part right. They just fell out with the finance.
In any case should the unlikely happen and we get promoted, we might see that other consortium back in play.
What needs to happen is realistic expectations, whatever happens after RD will need to be received by the fan base with patience
That will be the most difficult thing for many
If the rumours are right and it’s the Aussie lot then spending our way out of the league will be unlikely
Not many League 1 clubs that get promoted spend their way out of this league. Powell made a lot signings but not many were for a fee. Those that we did pay a fee for weren’t big money signings.
What needs to happen is realistic expectations, whatever happens after RD will need to be received by the fan base with patience
That will be the most difficult thing for many
If the rumours are right and it’s the Aussie lot then spending our way out of the league will be unlikely
Not many League 1 clubs that get promoted spend their way out of this league. Powell made a lot signings but not many were for a fee. Those that we did pay a fee for weren’t big money signings.
Grimsby away years ago and a police horse, something like that.
I was told Brighton away, 7-0 loss early 80’s, major tear up in the park outside the goldstone after the game, OB fell off his horse as it reared up during the melee, almost happened at Horwich station after Bolton FA cup QF game as well
I doubt very much ordinary fans are the target of a £50m share issue.
If it is true, and I'm far from convinced it is, then they will be looking for corporate investors IMHO.
Duchatelet isn't a terrible owner because he doesn't spend money or doesn't have money. He has and he does.
He's a bad owner because he has no interest or intention to make the club successful on the pitch and never has. Right from the start he said he wasn't interested in winning games.
We shall have to see what the Aussies, if they actually, finally, do a deal, have planned.
Remember the six questions that people laughed at when the Spivs took over? Still need them answered under the new lot.
I doubt very much ordinary fans are the target of a £50m share issue.
If it is true, and I'm far from convinced it is, then they will be looking for corporate investors IMHO.
Duchatelet isn't a terrible owner because he doesn't spend money or doesn't have money. He has and he does.
He's a bad owner because he has no interest or intention to make the club successful on the pitch and never has. Right from the start he said he wasn't interested in winning games.
We shall have to see what the Aussies, if they actually, finally, do a deal, have planned.
Remember the six questions that people laughed at when the Spivs took over? Still need them answered under the new lot.
Nobody really knows whether the Aussies would be good for Charlton or better than any other potential owner, but if they get the club out of the grip of Duchatelet they will have done us all a service.
What needs to happen is realistic expectations, whatever happens after RD will need to be received by the fan base with patience
That will be the most difficult thing for many
If the rumours are right and it’s the Aussie lot then spending our way out of the league will be unlikely
Not many League 1 clubs that get promoted spend their way out of this league. Powell made a lot signings but not many were for a fee. Those that we did pay a fee for weren’t big money signings.
High League 1 wages though.
Actually 30% less than Huddersfield that season, who finished 4th.
Again I will remind people about AFCW. Owned by the fans running a £4m budget, and have raised the finance to build their own ground.
I wouldn't be surprised if we have a top 3 budget this year because of all the wasted money. I suppose RD will have made sure that we rather than STVV are paying for most of Vetokele. How much is Navy Sarr on? The players whose contracts we have cancelled, there will still be some amortised costs this year from those.
And if I am right you can bet a tinny of XXXX that by now Andrew Muir is well aware of all that.
We have to give any new owners a chance, even if only for the fact they aren't Roly. But I won't be joining in any chants of "We've got our Charlton back", until we see what the new lot are about.
It isn't about money for me, it is about becoming enmeshed in the club and embracing what makes us special. Having oodles of cash helps though.
We have to give any new owners a chance, even if only for the fact they aren't Roly. But I won't be joining in any chants of "We've got our Charlton back", until we see what the new lot are about.
It isn't about money for me, it is about becoming enmeshed in the club and embracing what makes us special. Having oodles of cash helps though.
We have to give any new owners a chance, even if only for the fact they aren't Roly. But I won't be joining in any chants of "We've got our Charlton back", until we see what the new lot are about.
It isn't about money for me, it is about becoming enmeshed in the club and embracing what makes us special. Having oodles of cash helps though.
That’s why I said fans need patience as all of the points you make about what you want owners to be are far more important in the long run
But most people don’t care about anything other than the results on a Saturday and if the investment is not there in plain player signings then those fans will soon become impatient
I doubt very much ordinary fans are the target of a £50m share issue.
If it is true, and I'm far from convinced it is, then they will be looking for corporate investors IMHO.
Duchatelet isn't a terrible owner because he doesn't spend money or doesn't have money. He has and he does.
He's a bad owner because he has no interest or intention to make the club successful on the pitch and never has. Right from the start he said he wasn't interested in winning games.
We shall have to see what the Aussies, if they actually, finally, do a deal, have planned.
Remember the six questions that people laughed at when the Spivs took over? Still need them answered under the new lot.
We have to give any new owners a chance, even if only for the fact they aren't Roly. But I won't be joining in any chants of "We've got our Charlton back", until we see what the new lot are about.
It isn't about money for me, it is about becoming enmeshed in the club and embracing what makes us special. Having oodles of cash helps though.
We have to give any new owners a chance, even if only for the fact they aren't Roly. But I won't be joining in any chants of "We've got our Charlton back", until we see what the new lot are about.
It isn't about money for me, it is about becoming enmeshed in the club and embracing what makes us special. Having oodles of cash helps though.
That’s why I said fans need patience as all of the points you make about what you want owners to be are far more important in the long run
But most people don’t care about anything other than the results on a Saturday and if the investment is not there in plain player signings then those fans will soon become impatient
Tbh results are the most important thing, but people have to be realistic there aren't many owners like Citeh's out there.
I doubt very much ordinary fans are the target of a £50m share issue.
If it is true, and I'm far from convinced it is, then they will be looking for corporate investors IMHO.
Duchatelet isn't a terrible owner because he doesn't spend money or doesn't have money. He has and he does.
He's a bad owner because he has no interest or intention to make the club successful on the pitch and never has. Right from the start he said he wasn't interested in winning games.
We shall have to see what the Aussies, if they actually, finally, do a deal, have planned.
Remember the six questions that people laughed at when the Spivs took over? Still need them answered under the new lot.
WIOTOS
No, what were they?
1. Who owns the club?
2. What is the business plan?
3. How is the business plan being funded?
4. What are the plans for the Valley?
5. What are the plans for the training ground?
6. What is the exit strategy?
All valid apart from the last one. I seriously doubt you'd get an honest answer and I hope it's not something they've thought of in any great detail.
Whatever happens and whoever is our owner next term we are in for yet another squad makeover. Nothing under Duchatelet has been done with a view to building up to having a strong squad. It’s been piecemeal, bizarre and inadequate. That’s the first thing that needs to change. It’s unlikely that we are going to be able to keep Amos or Dasilva. Mavididi, Zyro and the Palace disappointment will all be sent packing. Perhaps harsh on Stephy actually who I wouldn’t mind seeing back. Before we progress at all we need to be signing perhaps eight players and unless we sign a new strike force we won’t be going anywhere.
I’m confident in saying league one next season and I expect us to be up there but I’m not expecting instant success. I’ll settle for a four year plan to get us top half Championship.
I don’t want Harry Kewell and will be very disappointed if he’s appointed.
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Whether they could attract further investors would depend on the credibility of their business plan and management - onerous obligations to RD would of themselves damage their proposition.
This isn’t the 1990s or 2000s, so we are probably looking at a few wealthy individuals rather than an open sale of shares to the public for which I guess you would have to be listed somewhere (as Charlton were on the AIM) rather than a private company?
It would be absurd to oppose him then financially associate with him.
That will be the most difficult thing for many
If the rumours are right and it’s the Aussie lot then spending our way out of the league will be unlikely
Anyone got a tin hat?
The Spanners did without and we somehow got to 6th without Roland spending much.
An example are our opponents tomorrow and as much as it hurts me to say it our knuckle dragging neighbours.
If it’s the Aussies which seems likely, I’m expecting that good plan with sensible amounts of expenditure. Anything less and you might as well flush the money they’ve already spent straight down the toilet.
A well run club with a good plan to build up to some success is exactly what we need. We can all get behind that. Even the Spivs had that part right. They just fell out with the finance.
In any case should the unlikely happen and we get promoted, we might see that other consortium back in play.
If it is true, and I'm far from convinced it is, then they will be looking for corporate investors IMHO.
Duchatelet isn't a terrible owner because he doesn't spend money or doesn't have money. He has and he does.
He's a bad owner because he has no interest or intention to make the club successful on the pitch and never has. Right from the start he said he wasn't interested in winning games.
We shall have to see what the Aussies, if they actually, finally, do a deal, have planned.
Remember the six questions that people laughed at when the Spivs took over? Still need them answered under the new lot.
WIOTOS
Again I will remind people about AFCW. Owned by the fans running a £4m budget, and have raised the finance to build their own ground.
I wouldn't be surprised if we have a top 3 budget this year because of all the wasted money. I suppose RD will have made sure that we rather than STVV are paying for most of Vetokele. How much is Navy Sarr on? The players whose contracts we have cancelled, there will still be some amortised costs this year from those.
And if I am right you can bet a tinny of XXXX that by now Andrew Muir is well aware of all that.
It isn't about money for me, it is about becoming enmeshed in the club and embracing what makes us special. Having oodles of cash helps though.
But most people don’t care about anything other than the results on a Saturday and if the investment is not there in plain player signings then those fans will soon become impatient
2. What is the business plan?
3. How is the business plan being funded?
4. What are the plans for the Valley?
5. What are the plans for the training ground?
6. What is the exit strategy?
I seriously doubt you'd get an honest answer and I hope it's not something they've thought of in any great detail.
Whatever happens and whoever is our owner next term we are in for yet another squad makeover. Nothing under Duchatelet has been done with a view to building up to having a strong squad. It’s been piecemeal, bizarre and inadequate. That’s the first thing that needs to change. It’s unlikely that we are going to be able to keep Amos or Dasilva. Mavididi, Zyro and the Palace disappointment will all be sent packing. Perhaps harsh on Stephy actually who I wouldn’t mind seeing back. Before we progress at all we need to be signing perhaps eight players and unless we sign a new strike force we won’t be going anywhere.
I’m confident in saying league one next season and I expect us to be up there but I’m not expecting instant success. I’ll settle for a four year plan to get us top half Championship.
I don’t want Harry Kewell and will be very disappointed if he’s appointed.