The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Yep sound like a bunch of chancers in that respect. If they've not got confirmed funding at this stage after a year or so of alleged interest makes me think they're blagging.nth london addick said:
They ain’t got the money yet to buy us let alone any of the othersAirman Brown said:
Context is all. It’s not as if the Aussies are likely to be able to buy Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs or West Ham - of the club’s that have realistically been available to them, the remainder fall short of Charlton and Fulham (although actually Craven Cottage, while historic and picturesque, is pretty ramshackle).JamesSeed said:‘He described Fulham as being the only other club in London they might have been interested in. Why? Because both clubs 'have great fans, and a great stadium', which they see as key.’
Ok this wasn’t a sit down meeting with minutes taken, this was a chat over a beer. And we talked about family and what we’ve been up to for the last five years before the Charlton stuff.
We were talking about Charlton fans, being special, and he said that’s part of why they chose Charlton. He then said they also like Fulham’s fans and also commented that both clubs had great stadiums. This remarks were made to a third party who was with us, When I said they see that as key, I think what he actually said was ‘really important to us’, and I suspect that was more weighted towards the fans part than the stadium part.
I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition @AFKABartram !
(I’ve always wanted to say that!)
That should be the thing that is raising and ringing the loudest alarm bells
All the way through this the noises from those releasing info about this Aussie bid is the fear for a lack of cash
Now the third week of May they still don’t have the cash
I don't want us to be part of some new experiment with national teams having us as a European base and being considered as interchangeable with Fulham or being a showcase shop window for Oz talent. Just want to be run like a normal football club in South east London without gimmicks or angles and where the primary agenda is striving for football success whether we achieve it or not.
Because of the utter shitshow of the past few years there's an understandable desperation that "anything is better" and taking a blinkered approach. Of course optimism and hope are vital but not blind optimism and papering over the fact allegedly people are trying to take over without sufficient funds to buy let alone run us as a going concern in a loss making league.
Nothing I've read gives me anymore confidence that this is anything other than a load of false hope that will petter out again in a week for some reason or other or worse we'll end up with another bunch of talk the talk but fail to deliver bullshit merchants.
Really hope I'm wrong but seems more of the same in the joyless saga of supporting this dire club.3 -
What do you know. Charlton isn't even your real middle name, fgs.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Yep sound like a bunch of chancers in that respect. If they've not got confirmed funding at this stage after a year or so of alleged interest makes me think they're blagging.nth london addick said:
They ain’t got the money yet to buy us let alone any of the othersAirman Brown said:
Context is all. It’s not as if the Aussies are likely to be able to buy Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs or West Ham - of the club’s that have realistically been available to them, the remainder fall short of Charlton and Fulham (although actually Craven Cottage, while historic and picturesque, is pretty ramshackle).JamesSeed said:‘He described Fulham as being the only other club in London they might have been interested in. Why? Because both clubs 'have great fans, and a great stadium', which they see as key.’
Ok this wasn’t a sit down meeting with minutes taken, this was a chat over a beer. And we talked about family and what we’ve been up to for the last five years before the Charlton stuff.
We were talking about Charlton fans, being special, and he said that’s part of why they chose Charlton. He then said they also like Fulham’s fans and also commented that both clubs had great stadiums. This remarks were made to a third party who was with us, When I said they see that as key, I think what he actually said was ‘really important to us’, and I suspect that was more weighted towards the fans part than the stadium part.
I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition @AFKABartram !
(I’ve always wanted to say that!)
That should be the thing that is raising and ringing the loudest alarm bells
All the way through this the noises from those releasing info about this Aussie bid is the fear for a lack of cash
Now the third week of May they still don’t have the cash
I don't want us to be part of some new experiment with national teams having us as a European base and being considered as interchangeable with Fulham or being a showcase shop window for Oz talent. Just want to be run like a normal football club in South east London without gimmicks or angles and where the primary agenda is striving for football success whether we achieve it or not.
Because of the utter shitshow of the past few years there's an understandable desperation that "anything is better" and taking a blinkered approach. Of course optimism and hope are vital but not blind optimism and papering over the fact allegedly people are trying to take over without sufficient funds to buy let alone run us as a going concern in a loss making league.
Nothing I've read gives me anymore confidence that this is anything other than a load of false hope that will petter out again in a week for some reason or other or worse we'll end up with another bunch of talk the talk but fail to deliver bullshit merchants.
Really hope I'm wrong but seems more of the same in the joyless saga of supporting this dire club.
Joking apart, there's plenty of money sloshing around, but I think if you genuinely want to get to the Premier League, the more backing you have the better. The principal man in the consortium may have 4 or 5 hundred million in the bank, but I find it quite reassuring that he knows that further backing is essential, don't you?27 -
I find it alarming that it's nearly end of may and the deal has not been done. The longer it goes the less time we have to prepare for next term and the more likely the lack of planning and instability will lead to another turgid season of huge underachievement and further cementing our position as a third tier club with dwindling crowds.JamesSeed said:
What do you know. Charlton isn't even your real middle name, fgs.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Yep sound like a bunch of chancers in that respect. If they've not got confirmed funding at this stage after a year or so of alleged interest makes me think they're blagging.nth london addick said:
They ain’t got the money yet to buy us let alone any of the othersAirman Brown said:
Context is all. It’s not as if the Aussies are likely to be able to buy Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs or West Ham - of the club’s that have realistically been available to them, the remainder fall short of Charlton and Fulham (although actually Craven Cottage, while historic and picturesque, is pretty ramshackle).JamesSeed said:‘He described Fulham as being the only other club in London they might have been interested in. Why? Because both clubs 'have great fans, and a great stadium', which they see as key.’
Ok this wasn’t a sit down meeting with minutes taken, this was a chat over a beer. And we talked about family and what we’ve been up to for the last five years before the Charlton stuff.
We were talking about Charlton fans, being special, and he said that’s part of why they chose Charlton. He then said they also like Fulham’s fans and also commented that both clubs had great stadiums. This remarks were made to a third party who was with us, When I said they see that as key, I think what he actually said was ‘really important to us’, and I suspect that was more weighted towards the fans part than the stadium part.
I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition @AFKABartram !
(I’ve always wanted to say that!)
That should be the thing that is raising and ringing the loudest alarm bells
All the way through this the noises from those releasing info about this Aussie bid is the fear for a lack of cash
Now the third week of May they still don’t have the cash
I don't want us to be part of some new experiment with national teams having us as a European base and being considered as interchangeable with Fulham or being a showcase shop window for Oz talent. Just want to be run like a normal football club in South east London without gimmicks or angles and where the primary agenda is striving for football success whether we achieve it or not.
Because of the utter shitshow of the past few years there's an understandable desperation that "anything is better" and taking a blinkered approach. Of course optimism and hope are vital but not blind optimism and papering over the fact allegedly people are trying to take over without sufficient funds to buy let alone run us as a going concern in a loss making league.
Nothing I've read gives me anymore confidence that this is anything other than a load of false hope that will petter out again in a week for some reason or other or worse we'll end up with another bunch of talk the talk but fail to deliver bullshit merchants.
Really hope I'm wrong but seems more of the same in the joyless saga of supporting this dire club.
Joking apart, there's plenty of money sloshing around, but I think if you genuinely want to get to the Premier League, the more backing you have the better. The principal man in the consortium may have 4 or 5 hundred million in the bank, but I find it quite reassuring that he knows that further backing is essential, don't you?
Muir has alleged been on the scene for ages and of course more money is better but further investment can be sought on am ongoing basis. He either wants to buy us or not at this stage and is willing to commit the required resources or not.
Our most successful season of recent times came with uber blaggers jiminez and slater got in, got Powell and bankrolled an epic pre season that saw us dominate the league. That went tits up when the key funder realised what he had been sold may have been slightly exaggerated and pulled the plug.
Friendlies start in or so weeks and this drags on with no CEO, FD, permanent manager and a further decimated squad with loanees returning.
If the additional funders don't materialise then it's been a complete waste of time and potential kept out other interested parties.
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RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Yep sound like a bunch of chancers in that respect. If they've not got confirmed funding at this stage after a year or so of alleged interest makes me think they're blagging.nth london addick said:
They ain’t got the money yet to buy us let alone any of the othersAirman Brown said:
Context is all. It’s not as if the Aussies are likely to be able to buy Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs or West Ham - of the club’s that have realistically been available to them, the remainder fall short of Charlton and Fulham (although actually Craven Cottage, while historic and picturesque, is pretty ramshackle).JamesSeed said:‘He described Fulham as being the only other club in London they might have been interested in. Why? Because both clubs 'have great fans, and a great stadium', which they see as key.’
Ok this wasn’t a sit down meeting with minutes taken, this was a chat over a beer. And we talked about family and what we’ve been up to for the last five years before the Charlton stuff.
We were talking about Charlton fans, being special, and he said that’s part of why they chose Charlton. He then said they also like Fulham’s fans and also commented that both clubs had great stadiums. This remarks were made to a third party who was with us, When I said they see that as key, I think what he actually said was ‘really important to us’, and I suspect that was more weighted towards the fans part than the stadium part.
I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition @AFKABartram !
(I’ve always wanted to say that!)
That should be the thing that is raising and ringing the loudest alarm bells
All the way through this the noises from those releasing info about this Aussie bid is the fear for a lack of cash
Now the third week of May they still don’t have the cash
I don't want us to be part of some new experiment with national teams having us as a European base and being considered as interchangeable with Fulham or being a showcase shop window for Oz talent. Just want to be run like a normal football club in South east London without gimmicks or angles and where the primary agenda is striving for football success whether we achieve it or not.
Because of the utter shitshow of the past few years there's an understandable desperation that "anything is better" and taking a blinkered approach. Of course optimism and hope are vital but not blind optimism and papering over the fact allegedly people are trying to take over without sufficient funds to buy let alone run us as a going concern in a loss making league.
Nothing I've read gives me anymore confidence that this is anything other than a load of false hope that will petter out again in a week for some reason or other or worse we'll end up with another bunch of talk the talk but fail to deliver bullshit merchants.
Really hope I'm wrong but seems more of the same in the joyless saga of supporting this dire club.
This isn't a dire club.
I don't think it would bother many of us if the Aussies played matches at The Valley occasionally, if the knock on effect was to create a new revenue stream, and grow our fanbase a lttle bit. I'd take new fans from wherever we can get them, rather than seeing a three quarters empty Valley.
No one has said we're interchangeable with Fulham, someone said that both clubs had great fans (and good stadiums), and who could argue with that?
There's nothing wrong with a bit of healthy scepticism though.12 -
From what he was saying they've been in detailed discussions for a very long time, which is what you've said all along I believe.Airman Brown said:
NLA - I also think there is some reason for caution, but I believe you are overstating it when you say they don't have the cash. If I understand correctly, you are extrapolating it from a reported statement that they don't have the final sign-off on the deal from a couple of investors. That could mean nothing because it is clear there has been detailed discussion between RD's representative and the Aussies over the last fortnight.nth london addick said:
They ain’t got the money yet to buy us let alone any of the othersAirman Brown said:
Context is all. It’s not as if the Aussies are likely to be able to buy Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs or West Ham - of the club’s that have realistically been available to them, the remainder fall short of Charlton and Fulham (although actually Craven Cottage, while historic and picturesque, is pretty ramshackle).JamesSeed said:‘He described Fulham as being the only other club in London they might have been interested in. Why? Because both clubs 'have great fans, and a great stadium', which they see as key.’
Ok this wasn’t a sit down meeting with minutes taken, this was a chat over a beer. And we talked about family and what we’ve been up to for the last five years before the Charlton stuff.
We were talking about Charlton fans, being special, and he said that’s part of why they chose Charlton. He then said they also like Fulham’s fans and also commented that both clubs had great stadiums. This remarks were made to a third party who was with us, When I said they see that as key, I think what he actually said was ‘really important to us’, and I suspect that was more weighted towards the fans part than the stadium part.
I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition @AFKABartram !
(I’ve always wanted to say that!)
That should be the thing that is raising and ringing the loudest alarm bells
All the way through this the noises from those releasing info about this Aussie bid is the fear for a lack of cash
Now the third week of May they still don’t have the cash
I have also never thought they would settle the ex-directors' loans up front - the lack of progress on that has been a major driver of public scepticism.
The Aussies' behaviour - not just appearing in public but multiple briefings by more than one person, including of mainstream media (at least three outlets, to my knowledge) - doesn't suggest to me an exercise in brinkmanship. Indeed, it would be useless as brinkmanship because those outlets have not published what they have been told. The Aussies are very confident it is happening.
Still, they may be wrong. My caution comes because I know they have been confident previously, and so have the club's own lawyers, but matters haven't progressed. RD is also an awkward bastard. However, what's been happening in the last two or three weeks goes well beyond anything we have seen or heard before. It's not consistent with them not having the cash unless they are all fools, and I see no evidence of that.2 -
Yes. What I mean is that they have been sitting round the table in the last three weeks and if there were still things that needed to be resolved at those meetings they may also have needed to be put back to third parties for sign-off.JamesSeed said:
From what he was saying they've been in detailed discussions for a very long time, which is what you've said all along I believe.Airman Brown said:
NLA - I also think there is some reason for caution, but I believe you are overstating it when you say they don't have the cash. If I understand correctly, you are extrapolating it from a reported statement that they don't have the final sign-off on the deal from a couple of investors. That could mean nothing because it is clear there has been detailed discussion between RD's representative and the Aussies over the last fortnight.nth london addick said:
They ain’t got the money yet to buy us let alone any of the othersAirman Brown said:
Context is all. It’s not as if the Aussies are likely to be able to buy Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs or West Ham - of the club’s that have realistically been available to them, the remainder fall short of Charlton and Fulham (although actually Craven Cottage, while historic and picturesque, is pretty ramshackle).JamesSeed said:‘He described Fulham as being the only other club in London they might have been interested in. Why? Because both clubs 'have great fans, and a great stadium', which they see as key.’
Ok this wasn’t a sit down meeting with minutes taken, this was a chat over a beer. And we talked about family and what we’ve been up to for the last five years before the Charlton stuff.
We were talking about Charlton fans, being special, and he said that’s part of why they chose Charlton. He then said they also like Fulham’s fans and also commented that both clubs had great stadiums. This remarks were made to a third party who was with us, When I said they see that as key, I think what he actually said was ‘really important to us’, and I suspect that was more weighted towards the fans part than the stadium part.
I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition @AFKABartram !
(I’ve always wanted to say that!)
That should be the thing that is raising and ringing the loudest alarm bells
All the way through this the noises from those releasing info about this Aussie bid is the fear for a lack of cash
Now the third week of May they still don’t have the cash
I have also never thought they would settle the ex-directors' loans up front - the lack of progress on that has been a major driver of public scepticism.
The Aussies' behaviour - not just appearing in public but multiple briefings by more than one person, including of mainstream media (at least three outlets, to my knowledge) - doesn't suggest to me an exercise in brinkmanship. Indeed, it would be useless as brinkmanship because those outlets have not published what they have been told. The Aussies are very confident it is happening.
Still, they may be wrong. My caution comes because I know they have been confident previously, and so have the club's own lawyers, but matters haven't progressed. RD is also an awkward bastard. However, what's been happening in the last two or three weeks goes well beyond anything we have seen or heard before. It's not consistent with them not having the cash unless they are all fools, and I see no evidence of that.3 -
Old English I believe, derived from the words "æsc" (ash) and "lēah" (meadow).Henry Irving said:
Ashley? Where did his name come from?Chris_from_Sidcup said:If Ashley is part of a proposed group then that surely won't be happening. Newcastle aren't even close to being taken over, and the latest is that Ashley has upped his asking price yet again.
So if RD has a buyer close to purchasing us in the next 1-2 weeks he's surely going to take that rather than fund us throughout the summer (and for however many more months), on the off chance Newcastle gets sold soon.22 -
It’s more concerning to me that a group of people looking to buy us since October have still not had the deal ratified by all of their investorsAirman Brown said:
NLA - I also think there is some reason for caution, but I believe you are overstating it when you say they don't have the cash. If I understand correctly, you are extrapolating it from a reported statement that they don't have the final sign-off on the deal from a couple of investors. That could mean nothing because it is clear there has been detailed discussion between RD's representative and the Aussies over the last fortnight.nth london addick said:
They ain’t got the money yet to buy us let alone any of the othersAirman Brown said:
Context is all. It’s not as if the Aussies are likely to be able to buy Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs or West Ham - of the club’s that have realistically been available to them, the remainder fall short of Charlton and Fulham (although actually Craven Cottage, while historic and picturesque, is pretty ramshackle).JamesSeed said:‘He described Fulham as being the only other club in London they might have been interested in. Why? Because both clubs 'have great fans, and a great stadium', which they see as key.’
Ok this wasn’t a sit down meeting with minutes taken, this was a chat over a beer. And we talked about family and what we’ve been up to for the last five years before the Charlton stuff.
We were talking about Charlton fans, being special, and he said that’s part of why they chose Charlton. He then said they also like Fulham’s fans and also commented that both clubs had great stadiums. This remarks were made to a third party who was with us, When I said they see that as key, I think what he actually said was ‘really important to us’, and I suspect that was more weighted towards the fans part than the stadium part.
I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition @AFKABartram !
(I’ve always wanted to say that!)
That should be the thing that is raising and ringing the loudest alarm bells
All the way through this the noises from those releasing info about this Aussie bid is the fear for a lack of cash
Now the third week of May they still don’t have the cash
I have also never thought they would settle the ex-directors' loans up front - the lack of progress on that has been a major driver of public scepticism.
The Aussies' behaviour - not just appearing in public but multiple briefings by more than one person, including of mainstream media (at least three outlets, to my knowledge) - doesn't suggest to me an exercise in brinkmanship. Indeed, it would be useless as brinkmanship because those outlets have not published what they have been told. The Aussies are very confident it is happening.
Still, they may be wrong. My caution comes because I know they have been confident previously, and so have the club's own lawyers, but matters haven't progressed. RD is also an awkward bastard. However, what's been happening in the last two or three weeks goes well beyond anything we have seen or heard before. It's not consistent with them not having the cash unless they are all fools, and I see no evidence of that.
The rumours of the aussies having no money have yet to go away with Bob Whitehead’s tweets , David Smiths posts on here and others who would know
If the deal hadn’t been ratified and signed off then we can’t be as close as what people hope
And tbh if the funds haven’t been raised by now and signed off then it leaves you wondering are we to be yet another project
I don’t buy line that they would buy cafc or Fulham based on ground and fans as the reason of interest
I do buy the fact that Fulham and us are probably the most patient and willing to wait and see if people can do what they think is a good idea before we start to protest in the manor in which we do
So it’s like ground hog day in certain ways with the uncertainty of the plan the uncertainty of the final objective
Maybe I am being too over cautious but this is seeming third time and still we don’t have someone willing to move us on without it being confusing and with caveats3 -
James..
Is it your understanding that a transfer kitty will be available.0 - Sponsored links:
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Doubt they could afford Fulham either. Didn’t the current owner pay circa 140m for them??Airman Brown said:
Context is all. It’s not as if the Aussies are likely to be able to buy Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs or West Ham - of the club’s that have realistically been available to them, the remainder fall short of Charlton and Fulham (although actually Craven Cottage, while historic and picturesque, is pretty ramshackle).JamesSeed said:‘He described Fulham as being the only other club in London they might have been interested in. Why? Because both clubs 'have great fans, and a great stadium', which they see as key.’
Ok this wasn’t a sit down meeting with minutes taken, this was a chat over a beer. And we talked about family and what we’ve been up to for the last five years before the Charlton stuff.
We were talking about Charlton fans, being special, and he said that’s part of why they chose Charlton. He then said they also like Fulham’s fans and also commented that both clubs had great stadiums. This remarks were made to a third party who was with us, When I said they see that as key, I think what he actually said was ‘really important to us’, and I suspect that was more weighted towards the fans part than the stadium part.
I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition @AFKABartram !
(I’ve always wanted to say that!)3 -
Why is it my job to do the dishwashing?i_b_b_o_r_g said:To continue the dishwasher sage -
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I think the first thing they should do is sign Paul Hurst, especially if Shrewsbury dont go up.RedJohn said:James..
Is it your understanding that a transfer kitty will be available.2 -
But they don’t know, which is the point. Bob and friends have never been contacted by the Australians, but how important that is depends on how big an issue you think the loans are. With no leases and nothing being borrowed against the assets, the loan holders have no cards to play and can be ignored.nth london addick said:
It’s more concerning to me that a group of people looking to buy us since October have still not had the deal ratified by all of their investorsAirman Brown said:
NLA - I also think there is some reason for caution, but I believe you are overstating it when you say they don't have the cash. If I understand correctly, you are extrapolating it from a reported statement that they don't have the final sign-off on the deal from a couple of investors. That could mean nothing because it is clear there has been detailed discussion between RD's representative and the Aussies over the last fortnight.nth london addick said:
They ain’t got the money yet to buy us let alone any of the othersAirman Brown said:
Context is all. It’s not as if the Aussies are likely to be able to buy Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs or West Ham - of the club’s that have realistically been available to them, the remainder fall short of Charlton and Fulham (although actually Craven Cottage, while historic and picturesque, is pretty ramshackle).JamesSeed said:‘He described Fulham as being the only other club in London they might have been interested in. Why? Because both clubs 'have great fans, and a great stadium', which they see as key.’
Ok this wasn’t a sit down meeting with minutes taken, this was a chat over a beer. And we talked about family and what we’ve been up to for the last five years before the Charlton stuff.
We were talking about Charlton fans, being special, and he said that’s part of why they chose Charlton. He then said they also like Fulham’s fans and also commented that both clubs had great stadiums. This remarks were made to a third party who was with us, When I said they see that as key, I think what he actually said was ‘really important to us’, and I suspect that was more weighted towards the fans part than the stadium part.
I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition @AFKABartram !
(I’ve always wanted to say that!)
That should be the thing that is raising and ringing the loudest alarm bells
All the way through this the noises from those releasing info about this Aussie bid is the fear for a lack of cash
Now the third week of May they still don’t have the cash
I have also never thought they would settle the ex-directors' loans up front - the lack of progress on that has been a major driver of public scepticism.
The Aussies' behaviour - not just appearing in public but multiple briefings by more than one person, including of mainstream media (at least three outlets, to my knowledge) - doesn't suggest to me an exercise in brinkmanship. Indeed, it would be useless as brinkmanship because those outlets have not published what they have been told. The Aussies are very confident it is happening.
Still, they may be wrong. My caution comes because I know they have been confident previously, and so have the club's own lawyers, but matters haven't progressed. RD is also an awkward bastard. However, what's been happening in the last two or three weeks goes well beyond anything we have seen or heard before. It's not consistent with them not having the cash unless they are all fools, and I see no evidence of that.
The rumours of the aussies having no money have yet to go away with Bob Whitehead’s tweets , David Smiths posts on here and others who would know
If the deal hadn’t been ratified and signed off then we can’t be as close as what people hope
And tbh if the funds haven’t been raised by now and signed off then it leaves you wondering are we to be yet another project
I don’t buy line that they would buy cafc or Fulham based on ground and fans as the reason of interest
I do buy the fact that Fulham and us are probably the most patient and willing to wait and see if people can do what they think is a good idea before we start to protest in the manor in which we do
So it’s like ground hog day in certain ways with the uncertainty of the plan the uncertainty of the final objective
Maybe I am being too over cautious but this is seeming third time and still we don’t have someone willing to move us on without it being confusing and with caveats
The loans are only repayable or attract interest on promotion to the PL, in which case they become a trivial consideration because of the relative sums.
You also have to bear in mind they may have been painted as completely unreasonable and intractable by Duchatelet and Murray for their own purposes or, to be more charitable, because that is their view of them.4 -
No one said that. They said fans are important, and that we have a great ground, as do Fulham. That's all. They've never claimed to be lifelong Charlton fans or anything.nth london addick said:
It’s more concerning to me that a group of people looking to buy us since October have still not had the deal ratified by all of their investorsAirman Brown said:
NLA - I also think there is some reason for caution, but I believe you are overstating it when you say they don't have the cash. If I understand correctly, you are extrapolating it from a reported statement that they don't have the final sign-off on the deal from a couple of investors. That could mean nothing because it is clear there has been detailed discussion between RD's representative and the Aussies over the last fortnight.nth london addick said:
They ain’t got the money yet to buy us let alone any of the othersAirman Brown said:
Context is all. It’s not as if the Aussies are likely to be able to buy Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs or West Ham - of the club’s that have realistically been available to them, the remainder fall short of Charlton and Fulham (although actually Craven Cottage, while historic and picturesque, is pretty ramshackle).JamesSeed said:‘He described Fulham as being the only other club in London they might have been interested in. Why? Because both clubs 'have great fans, and a great stadium', which they see as key.’
Ok this wasn’t a sit down meeting with minutes taken, this was a chat over a beer. And we talked about family and what we’ve been up to for the last five years before the Charlton stuff.
We were talking about Charlton fans, being special, and he said that’s part of why they chose Charlton. He then said they also like Fulham’s fans and also commented that both clubs had great stadiums. This remarks were made to a third party who was with us, When I said they see that as key, I think what he actually said was ‘really important to us’, and I suspect that was more weighted towards the fans part than the stadium part.
I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition @AFKABartram !
(I’ve always wanted to say that!)
That should be the thing that is raising and ringing the loudest alarm bells
All the way through this the noises from those releasing info about this Aussie bid is the fear for a lack of cash
Now the third week of May they still don’t have the cash
I have also never thought they would settle the ex-directors' loans up front - the lack of progress on that has been a major driver of public scepticism.
The Aussies' behaviour - not just appearing in public but multiple briefings by more than one person, including of mainstream media (at least three outlets, to my knowledge) - doesn't suggest to me an exercise in brinkmanship. Indeed, it would be useless as brinkmanship because those outlets have not published what they have been told. The Aussies are very confident it is happening.
Still, they may be wrong. My caution comes because I know they have been confident previously, and so have the club's own lawyers, but matters haven't progressed. RD is also an awkward bastard. However, what's been happening in the last two or three weeks goes well beyond anything we have seen or heard before. It's not consistent with them not having the cash unless they are all fools, and I see no evidence of that.
The rumours of the aussies having no money have yet to go away with Bob Whitehead’s tweets , David Smiths posts on here and others who would know
If the deal hadn’t been ratified and signed off then we can’t be as close as what people hope
And tbh if the funds haven’t been raised by now and signed off then it leaves you wondering are we to be yet another project
I don’t buy line that they would buy cafc or Fulham based on ground and fans as the reason of interest
I do buy the fact that Fulham and us are probably the most patient and willing to wait and see if people can do what they think is a good idea before we start to protest in the manor in which we do
So it’s like ground hog day in certain ways with the uncertainty of the plan the uncertainty of the final objective
Maybe I am being too over cautious but this is seeming third time and still we don’t have someone willing to move us on without it being confusing and with caveats
I understand where you're coming from, as this has been dragging on for an awfully long time. But we DO have someone willing to move us on. But no one with an ounce of business sense is going to do that without getting the legal side 100% sorted first. (That was what RD did though. Hmmm. That turned out well).
When I mentioned that the transfer window was open, they said they knew, but that they're in this for the long haul. They've of course been trying to get this across the line as early as possible. Bear in mind that they also weren't put off when we failed to gain promotion, for the same reason.6 -
Assuming there are multiple investors in this deal and assuming detailed negotiations have taken place over the last three weeks as reported by Airman then you would expect that those last weeks of negotiations would throw up a few things that would need to be signed off by the individual investors. I would think that each of those money men would have their legal teams run over any new or re negotiated details.nth london addick said:
It’s more concerning to me that a group of people looking to buy us since October have still not had the deal ratified by all of their investorsAirman Brown said:
NLA - I also think there is some reason for caution, but I believe you are overstating it when you say they don't have the cash. If I understand correctly, you are extrapolating it from a reported statement that they don't have the final sign-off on the deal from a couple of investors. That could mean nothing because it is clear there has been detailed discussion between RD's representative and the Aussies over the last fortnight.nth london addick said:
They ain’t got the money yet to buy us let alone any of the othersAirman Brown said:
Context is all. It’s not as if the Aussies are likely to be able to buy Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs or West Ham - of the club’s that have realistically been available to them, the remainder fall short of Charlton and Fulham (although actually Craven Cottage, while historic and picturesque, is pretty ramshackle).JamesSeed said:‘He described Fulham as being the only other club in London they might have been interested in. Why? Because both clubs 'have great fans, and a great stadium', which they see as key.’
Ok this wasn’t a sit down meeting with minutes taken, this was a chat over a beer. And we talked about family and what we’ve been up to for the last five years before the Charlton stuff.
We were talking about Charlton fans, being special, and he said that’s part of why they chose Charlton. He then said they also like Fulham’s fans and also commented that both clubs had great stadiums. This remarks were made to a third party who was with us, When I said they see that as key, I think what he actually said was ‘really important to us’, and I suspect that was more weighted towards the fans part than the stadium part.
I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition @AFKABartram !
(I’ve always wanted to say that!)
That should be the thing that is raising and ringing the loudest alarm bells
All the way through this the noises from those releasing info about this Aussie bid is the fear for a lack of cash
Now the third week of May they still don’t have the cash
I have also never thought they would settle the ex-directors' loans up front - the lack of progress on that has been a major driver of public scepticism.
The Aussies' behaviour - not just appearing in public but multiple briefings by more than one person, including of mainstream media (at least three outlets, to my knowledge) - doesn't suggest to me an exercise in brinkmanship. Indeed, it would be useless as brinkmanship because those outlets have not published what they have been told. The Aussies are very confident it is happening.
Still, they may be wrong. My caution comes because I know they have been confident previously, and so have the club's own lawyers, but matters haven't progressed. RD is also an awkward bastard. However, what's been happening in the last two or three weeks goes well beyond anything we have seen or heard before. It's not consistent with them not having the cash unless they are all fools, and I see no evidence of that.
The rumours of the aussies having no money have yet to go away with Bob Whitehead’s tweets , David Smiths posts on here and others who would know
If the deal hadn’t been ratified and signed off then we can’t be as close as what people hope
And tbh if the funds haven’t been raised by now and signed off then it leaves you wondering are we to be yet another project
I don’t buy line that they would buy cafc or Fulham based on ground and fans as the reason of interest
I do buy the fact that Fulham and us are probably the most patient and willing to wait and see if people can do what they think is a good idea before we start to protest in the manor in which we do
So it’s like ground hog day in certain ways with the uncertainty of the plan the uncertainty of the final objective
Maybe I am being too over cautious but this is seeming third time and still we don’t have someone willing to move us on without it being confusing and with caveats
It makes sense to me that it couldn’t get to the stage we are seemingly at including EFL ratification if there was not detailed proof of funds.
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Glicksteen,Fry,Barrow Boys,RD-------our history is full of top notch "owners"----whom ever comes next ,bring it on ----seen it,herd it ,lived it.3
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Well I really hope it all works out and they turn out to be the best mob since Murray/Varney.JamesSeed said:
Too right! They aim to get us into the Premier League and know that that takes money. That's why they have a group of investors, rather than just Andrew Muir's money.RedJohn said:James..
Is it your understanding that a transfer kitty will be available.
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No different to Palace in that respect, or Arsenal, or Everton until recently.JamesSeed said:
Too right! They aim to get us into the Premier League and know that that takes money. That's why they have a group of investors, rather than just Andrew Muir's money.RedJohn said:James..
Is it your understanding that a transfer kitty will be available.0 -
I'm lost. Because James Seed was your grandfather, you dropped your boned chicken with marmalade glaze in your lap? Cause and effect has changed a bit since my day.JamesSeed said:Thanks for kind remarks. It just fell in to my lap.
This is because I am a descendant of Seed. It was always going to be this way.1 -
So that's actually "South Chelsea, South Cla'ham and Cla'ham Addicks".JamesSeed said:
‘BBC Addicks’ anyone?Covered End said:Battersea.
‘Battersea, Balham and Clapham Addicks’ of course.
I think we could get a good guest for our launch ;-)1 -
I understand the caution but some of the posts this morning are way too negative
Remember this - we have multiple sources including direct from the Aussies themselves saying that the takeover is expected to be completeld in between 1-3 weeks. I’m happy with that and if even half the stuff James Seed has reported comes off we will be massively better off as a club (and I don’t nean financially) than for many a year.32 -
Tbh, I was always expecting some negative replies to my meeting with my chap.
That's fair enough, but I can't keep replying to each and every point raised, you end up going round in circles. And sometimes people seem to have misread what I wrote.
Probably best that I leave it now until the deal is announced official (WIOTOW), or I've spoken to them again. Of course I can only pass on what I'm allowed to.
Sorry, but this dishwasher doesn't load itself you know.32 -
You're so close to getting a flag.I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:Don’t shoot messenger but the “British” consortium is Mike Ashley supposedly. Just hasn’t sold the Geordies yet.
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Sorry to hear your wife's left you.The Red Robin said:
Don't have onegolfaddick said:
which is the definition of a dishwasher, isn't it ?The Red Robin said:
Pure laziness then basically.cafc-west said:
I've read that people have 2 so that they don't unload the d/w - they remove clean stuff as needed - use it and put in the other d/w then when full it goes on and they repeat the cycle. Saves cupboard space and time. I don't even have 1...i_b_b_o_r_g said:
I'm having dramas with a customer at the moment because I cannot fit a washing machine and normal sized dishwasher on any side of their kitchen, so they've decided to keep the washing machine and have 2 slimline dishwashers on 2 sides of the kitchen. It's only a holiday home ffs.JamesSeed said:
I have friends who have two dishwashers. Highly recommended apparently.KiwiValley said:Great news James and a great relief . I , we, were all very anxious about how you were going to manage the cleanup. A dishwasher is a fantastic labour saving device and it’s a credit to you that you've had the foresight to have had one installed. Speaks volumes about the likely success of future dinner parties. I for one am ending my boycott - I’m free next saturday night .
8pm, Aussie consortium willing.
Is owning 2 dishwashers the lates status symbol?8 -
I think I'm the only Addick in the the whole of the BBC (SCSCC) area. The meetings should be fun :-(AddicksAddict said:
So that's actually "South Chelsea, South Cla'ham and Cla'ham Addicks".JamesSeed said:
‘BBC Addicks’ anyone?Covered End said:Battersea.
‘Battersea, Balham and Clapham Addicks’ of course.
I think we could get a good guest for our launch ;-)1 -
And the needle returns to the start of the song mateGoonerhater said:Glicksteen,Fry,Barrow Boys,RD-------our history is full of top notch "owners"----whom ever comes next ,bring it on ----seen it,herd it ,lived it.
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I have said many times I believe Murray is the main blocking mechanism on any takeover because he will want it right for him first and cafc second so I agree with your last part
I think that very early on there was contact with those that have loans and I believe thier e posts and tweets are very good barometers of where we are in the process not taking away anything from the great info put up by @JamesSeed this weekend
@Davidsmith has been absolutely spot on with his info so far imo
Mine is a word of caution that’s all there have been so many false dawns so many hopes raised only to be dashed
Our job as fans is to enjoy the football first and foremost and be more concerned about those kicking a ball , however recent history at cafc has never just allowed that over the last 30 odd years , so maybe just maybe we should excerise our own DD and not be as willing to accept anyone but Roland just because of the shit we have had to endure
Let’s hope I am wrong in being cautious and all things Aussie are the bollox
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Spotted round the back of the East Stand recently.RedJohn said:James..
Is it your understanding that a transfer kitty will be available.6
