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Very similar, yes. In fact, I'd go so far as to say eerily identical (apart from the motives for ignoring/covering it up).Friend Or Defoe said:
Similar to celebrities (yewtree) which went on for years and the pedophile rings in Westminster?Big_Bad_World said:
You'd also like to think that the police would take the reporting of these crimes seriously and wouldn't run away from them for the best part of 10 years for fear of being incorrectly labelled as racist.Friend Or Defoe said:
I would like to think people would speak to the police about these crimes and not post them on a forum as investigations are on going...i_b_b_o_r_g said:Callumcafc said:Repeat after me: Stephen exposed nothing.
Nobody has said that he personally did as far as I can tell, but I think he knew a lot more about it before the likes of you and me. Imagine if someone had've anonymously posted the details of these cases on this forum alone, 5 or 6 years back, think the abuse they would've took from some of you lot.Callumcafc said:Repeat after me: Stephen exposed nothing.
Funny old world, eh?
I don't find it funny.
Strange that you took my use of the word 'funny', in the context I used it, literally. Funny old world, eh?
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Welcome.... To Paedogeddon.Leroy Ambrose said:
If the past few pages don't highlight this perfectly, I don't know what does.Leroy Ambrose said:Extremely clever to choose a subject where you literally cannot argue against the crime. And if you offer any dissenting view against what he's doing, you're instantly labelled a paedo or paedo sympathiser in a ludicrous strawman argument. He's a fucking louse. As much of a shitstain on the pants of humanity as the filthy turds involved in grooming.
"He's not shouting loudly enough about how much he hates paedos. He must like paedos!"
About time Brasseye was repeated isn't it?1 -
Worst thing is, what is going on that we don't know about?Big_Bad_World said:
Very similar, yes. In fact, I'd go so far as to say eerily identical (apart from the motives for ignoring/covering it up).Friend Or Defoe said:
Similar to celebrities (yewtree) which went on for years and the pedophile rings in Westminster?Big_Bad_World said:
You'd also like to think that the police would take the reporting of these crimes seriously and wouldn't run away from them for the best part of 10 years for fear of being incorrectly labelled as racist.Friend Or Defoe said:
I would like to think people would speak to the police about these crimes and not post them on a forum as investigations are on going...i_b_b_o_r_g said:Callumcafc said:Repeat after me: Stephen exposed nothing.
Nobody has said that he personally did as far as I can tell, but I think he knew a lot more about it before the likes of you and me. Imagine if someone had've anonymously posted the details of these cases on this forum alone, 5 or 6 years back, think the abuse they would've took from some of you lot.Callumcafc said:Repeat after me: Stephen exposed nothing.
Funny old world, eh?
I don't find it funny.
Strange that you took my use of the word 'funny', in the context I used it, literally. Funny old world, eh?
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The unknown unknowns.Friend Or Defoe said:
Worst thing is, what is going on that we don't know about?Big_Bad_World said:
Very similar, yes. In fact, I'd go so far as to say eerily identical (apart from the motives for ignoring/covering it up).Friend Or Defoe said:
Similar to celebrities (yewtree) which went on for years and the pedophile rings in Westminster?Big_Bad_World said:
You'd also like to think that the police would take the reporting of these crimes seriously and wouldn't run away from them for the best part of 10 years for fear of being incorrectly labelled as racist.Friend Or Defoe said:
I would like to think people would speak to the police about these crimes and not post them on a forum as investigations are on going...i_b_b_o_r_g said:Callumcafc said:Repeat after me: Stephen exposed nothing.
Nobody has said that he personally did as far as I can tell, but I think he knew a lot more about it before the likes of you and me. Imagine if someone had've anonymously posted the details of these cases on this forum alone, 5 or 6 years back, think the abuse they would've took from some of you lot.Callumcafc said:Repeat after me: Stephen exposed nothing.
Funny old world, eh?
I don't find it funny.
Strange that you took my use of the word 'funny', in the context I used it, literally. Funny old world, eh?
I have very few doubts that the problem is a lot more widespread than is, or has been, reported. I don't see any coincidence when a high profile person dies that only then do the realities of that persons life come to the fore (Saville, for example). My reasoning is that there is a massive house of cards ready to fall.2 -
I'm sure this is very true. Part of the problem with yewtree was that the criminals were untouchable, in positions of power and influence, and in the case of Rotherham et al, the victims were considered the lowest of the low (got a couple of stories of my own about kids in care being sexually abused by older people they thought they were getting affection from. Tragic, but I'd imagine widespread) and the perpetrators were covered up by their familues closing ranks and the police not wanting to get involved due to not wanting to upset the community. Do those imbalances of power occur elsewhere? Absolutely.Big_Bad_World said:
The unknown unknowns.Friend Or Defoe said:
Worst thing is, what is going on that we don't know about?Big_Bad_World said:
Very similar, yes. In fact, I'd go so far as to say eerily identical (apart from the motives for ignoring/covering it up).Friend Or Defoe said:
Similar to celebrities (yewtree) which went on for years and the pedophile rings in Westminster?Big_Bad_World said:
You'd also like to think that the police would take the reporting of these crimes seriously and wouldn't run away from them for the best part of 10 years for fear of being incorrectly labelled as racist.Friend Or Defoe said:
I would like to think people would speak to the police about these crimes and not post them on a forum as investigations are on going...i_b_b_o_r_g said:Callumcafc said:Repeat after me: Stephen exposed nothing.
Nobody has said that he personally did as far as I can tell, but I think he knew a lot more about it before the likes of you and me. Imagine if someone had've anonymously posted the details of these cases on this forum alone, 5 or 6 years back, think the abuse they would've took from some of you lot.Callumcafc said:Repeat after me: Stephen exposed nothing.
Funny old world, eh?
I don't find it funny.
Strange that you took my use of the word 'funny', in the context I used it, literally. Funny old world, eh?
I have very few doubts that the problem is a lot more widespread than is, or has been, reported. I don't see any coincidence when a high profile person dies that only then do the realities of that persons life come to the fore (Saville, for example). My reasoning is that there is a massive house of cards ready to fall.
Anything to do with prostitution and criminal gangs, and slavery, several cases of maids and workers effectively being imprisoned.ba few recent cases I can point to if need be.
To a much lesser extent there was the whole #metoo thing and I've heard plenty of war stories about what people have put up with in work (not rape or anything close).7 -
There is undoubtedly a problem with gangs of men of Pakistani origin grooming girls from the care system. The issue here is power, kids in care are regarded as the lowest of the low and treated accordingly. Hence the police refusing to investigate because of the background of the victims. You'd hope that this particular lesson has been learned by the police and CPS, but I wouldn't hold my breath and expect them to go back to ignoring victims from that sort of background. As McBobbin points out, it's exactly the same sort of kids that the Yewtree cases were abusing. There are class actions going on from groups of care survivors (their word) from various childrens' homes because of the abuse that was tolerated or even arranged at the care homes in the 60s or 70s.
I've no issue with Tommy Robinson using an alias, particularly as you rarely find white working class lads with double barrelled names. It's not like he isn't a public figure and, as he has pled guilty to this, he is clearly accountable.
His issue is that he thinks Islam is the main problem and responsible for all this abuse. A couple of years ago he quit the EDL after talking to Muslims and accepting that demonising all muslims was just creating a siege mentality and that there were better ways of targetting the wrong uns. I took him at his word on this, and can remember commenting here and elsewhere to say fair play for actually learning. Since then, he's reverted to being just another right wing street fighter for whom Islam as a whole is the problem. This may have something to do with the growth of far right media in the US and Canada post Trump. There is now a very profitable career to be made by being a talking head there and I suspect that he had his eye on that when he committed contempt of court. He'll do his time and then come out and deny that he was really guilty and continue to claim that his free speech was curtailed. It doesn't matter about facts, because no one cares about them as the last few years have surely proved. He has an agenda, it's to promote a far right racist vision and he can't just denounce all races, but he can denounce muslims. He can say "Islam isn't a race"; but everyone knows he doesn't mean all muslims, he means Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.
Islam isn't monolithic any more than Christianity is. But if you attack all Muslims you create a siege mentality.10 -
Brilliant post.
If what you really want is to see England's brave white lads duking it out against a load of Pakistani Muslims...put the cricket on0 -
That fact you think it's just "white lads" against "pakistani muslims" just shows the fuck allness you know.Leuth said:Brilliant post.
If what you really want is to see England's brave white lads duking it out against a load of Pakistani Muslims...put the cricket on6 -
What does "ducking it out" mean? Not a phrase I've heard before. As usual though Leuth, it sounds anti England.5
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Bang on, but he feels great for saying things like that. That's what we should all take away from this.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
That fact you think it's just "white lads" against "pakistani muslims" just shows the fuck allness you know.Leuth said:Brilliant post.
If what you really want is to see England's brave white lads duking it out against a load of Pakistani Muslims...put the cricket on
Race baiting at its finest. I think he's just outed himself as being the mirror image of what he thinks TR is.4 - Sponsored links:
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Just making a light-hearted reference to the fact we have sports to exercise this kind of aggression! And I'm watching it right now, as it happens.
TR wants a racewar, obviously, as do some of you. Who knows, you might get it3 -
Nah, you showed everyone your true colours there.
There's no disguising your race baiting as light-hearted.
Shame on you.4 -
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i "fathom" why you have posted thisLeuth said:Brilliant post.
If what you really want is to see England's brave white lads duking it out against a load of Pakistani Muslims...put the cricket on0 -
You realise the crap you and your ilk spout is just as likely to fuel a race war, right?Leuth said:Just making a light-hearted reference to the fact we have sports to exercise this kind of aggression! And I'm watching it right now, as it happens.
TR wants a racewar, obviously, as do some of you. Who knows, you might get it3 -
"Let's punish criminals, protect children and integrate Muslims respectfully"0
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You are off your bin mateLeuth said:Just making a light-hearted reference to the fact we have sports to exercise this kind of aggression! And I'm watching it right now, as it happens.
TR wants a racewar, obviously, as do some of you. Who knows, you might get it
How did you come to the decision that he wants or is trying to start a race war and even better, how on earth have you decided that posters on this thread do either? I'm very hard to offend but I think you have managed it with that stupid, ignorant comment
Is it beyond the realms of possibility the thing he's actually been making a noise about is real? Like, ya know, as was highlighted in the bbc programme? It's not about a race war which I'm sure you have said just to be provocative
Tommy Robinson or whatever you want to call him, has seen this happen in his own community. I actually respect what he's doing because it takes a big pair, he isn't throwing things at people. He's being vocal, he's speaking to people, he's asking questions.
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Many of TR's followers on Twitter talk of such a war, probably not even what TR wants but he's putting fuel on this fire.Carter said:
You are off your bin mateLeuth said:Just making a light-hearted reference to the fact we have sports to exercise this kind of aggression! And I'm watching it right now, as it happens.
TR wants a racewar, obviously, as do some of you. Who knows, you might get it
How did you come to the decision that he wants or is trying to start a race war and even better, how on earth have you decided that posters on this thread do either? I'm very hard to offend but I think you have managed it with that stupid, ignorant comment
Is it beyond the realms of possibility the thing he's actually been making a noise about is real? Like, ya know, as was highlighted in the bbc programme? It's not about a race war which I'm sure you have said just to be provocative
Tommy Robinson or whatever you want to call him, has seen this happen in his own community. I actually respect what he's doing because it takes a big pair, he isn't throwing things at people. He's being vocal, he's speaking to people, he's asking questions.1 -
Carter said:
he isn't throwing things at people.
The reality is this is a war. These people are waging war on us. This has gone on for 1,400 years. This is nothing new. And the whole time while this goes on, the police leaders or political leaders want to invite more! They want to invite more!
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"The last thing we want is a war in this country, but it is the inevitable outcome for the way the country is going. Now, the British people are not going to sit back and take much more."1
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Oh lookStu_of_Kunming said:"The last thing we want is a war in this country,but it is the inevitable outcome for the way the country is going. Now, the British people are not going to sit back and take much more."
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Seeing something as inevitable is the same as wanting it to happen?Leuth said:
Oh lookStu_of_Kunming said:"The last thing we want is a war in this country,but it is the inevitable outcome for the way the country is going. Now, the British people are not going to sit back and take much more."
I'll give you a clue, it's not.1 -
These things are on going and Stephen is reporting on them like other journalists. He isn't doing anything else such as preventing it or helping the victims. The other journalists are also reporting on incidents in other sectors of society Stephen isn't but is the brave one here.1
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Former EDL leader claims full race war is inevitable? I am fairly content which side his bread is buttered on0
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colthe3rd said:Carter said:
he isn't throwing things at people.
The reality is this is a war. These people are waging war on us. This has gone on for 1,400 years. This is nothing new. And the whole time while this goes on, the police leaders or political leaders want to invite more! They want to invite more!
Is this really what you think? Can you name how many times Islamic countries have invaded Britain? Or even tried? In 1400 years? I don't even understand where this line of thought is coming from, can you explain?3 -
Is this really what you think? Can you name how many times Islamic countries have invaded Britain? Or even tried? In 1400 years? I don't even understand where this line of thought is coming from, can you explain?rananegra said:colthe3rd said:Carter said:he isn't throwing things at people.
The reality is this is a war. These people are waging war on us. This has gone on for 1,400 years. This is nothing new. And the whole time while this goes on, the police leaders or political leaders want to invite more! They want to invite more!
He's quoting TR1 -
Aah, thanks for context - it wasn't obviousLeuth said:
He's quoting TRrananegra said:colthe3rd said:
The reality is this is a war. These people are waging war on us. This has gone on for 1,400 years. This is nothing new. And the whole time while this goes on, the police leaders or political leaders want to invite more! They want to invite more!Carter said:
he isn't throwing things at people.
Is this really what you think? Can you name how many times Islamic countries have invaded Britain? Or even tried? In 1400 years? I don't even understand where this line of thought is coming from, can you explain?
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