The rise of the vegans.
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That is a perfect post to explain my thoughts on it @Dippenhall4
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Steve - you're mugging yourself off here. I genuinely don't think people like yourself realise how much of a disservice you do to your 'cause'
Simply put - your proselytising without evidence to back it up, your continual use of 'fake news' sources to back you up, your hyperbole in using deliberately misleading statements and lack of ability to articulate a paragraph that doesn't contain at least SOME bullshit makes you look crazy. It's clear you have an agenda - which is fine. Lots of people have agendas. Your problem is that you can't promote that agenda effectively from a position of lunacy.
Can people eat a balanced, healthy vegetarian diet? Absolutely. Not in question. Can people eat a balanced, healthy vegan diet? Yes. It's not as easy, and there will need to be some supplements included, and a lot of sacrifice in the way of convenience, and some acclimatisation to the different tastes involved with an exclusively plant-based diet - but it can be done
But... Does 'all protein come from plants'? No.
Is it legit for you to anthropomorphise cats and think they are somehow 'wrong' for exhibiting completely natural feline behaviour because it displeases you? No.
Is there a conspiracy from the meat industry to 'keep Vegans back'? No.
Grow up Steve. You'll have more chance of converting people to your 'cause' if you do
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Out of interest did anyone actually watch any of the videos suggested?0
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Thought I would just add as well that calling someone preachy is tedious and a lazy way of bringing them down, especially on a thread about the subject they want to discuss. If he was belting it out on a thread titled the great summer steak out I could probably understand the calling him it, but it's not.
This thread sort of reminds me of the vegan advert being used at cinemas to push veganism and it facing a basklash of complaints. Hilarious really when you can't avoid seeing an advert for meat or dairy and then one advert comes on and it had people up in arms calling it preaching and how they can eat what they want.
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Maybe both of you should the selective viewing approach to the meat and dairy ads you can't avoid. Nothing to defend about the provenance of the sources then I guess?0
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All protein comes from plants, where do you think animals get it from, they do not make it themselves.Leroy Ambrose said:Steve - you're mugging yourself off here. I genuinely don't think people like yourself realise how much of a disservice you do to your 'cause'
Simply put - your proselytising without evidence to back it up, your continual use of 'fake news' sources to back you up, your hyperbole in using deliberately misleading statements and lack of ability to articulate a paragraph that doesn't contain at least SOME bullshit makes you look crazy. It's clear you have an agenda - which is fine. Lots of people have agendas. Your problem is that you can't promote that agenda effectively from a position of lunacy.
Can people eat a balanced, healthy vegetarian diet? Absolutely. Not in question. Can people eat a balanced, healthy vegan diet? Yes. It's not as easy, and there will need to be some supplements included, and a lot of sacrifice in the way of convenience, and some acclimatisation to the different tastes involved with an exclusively plant-based diet - but it can be done
But... Does 'all protein come from plants'? No.
Is it legit for you to anthropomorphise cats and think they are somehow 'wrong' for exhibiting completely natural feline behaviour because it displeases you? No.
Is there a conspiracy from the meat industry to 'keep Vegans back'? No.
Grow up Steve. You'll have more chance of converting people to your 'cause' if you do
I have never said anything about cats, all I said was our dog is vegan. We have a cat but do not give him vegan food.
And most definitely there is a conspiracy from the meat, diary and pharmaceutical industries to keep vegans back.
It is also a fact that people that go vegan live a much less stressful life, so I very much think you should give it a try.5 -
I'm a very stressed vegan
Perhaps becoming a fruitarian is my only hope.5 -
@Braziliance / @Stevelamb - Do you think it's healthy to put a baby on a vegan diet when they are ready to move to solids?0
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Sorry not following you mate?Super_Eddie_Youds said:Maybe both of you should the selective viewing approach to the meat and dairy ads you can't avoid. Nothing to defend about the provenance of the sources then I guess?
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Tbh I am not sure. I know of a lot of vegan families that have raised their kids fine but then I've heard stories of kids lacking in Iron etc. Then again I've heard of stories of kids being on a normal diet and being fine and then not fine growing up.WSS said:@Braziliance / @Stevelamb - Do you think it's healthy to put a baby on a vegan diet when they are ready to move to solids?
I'll look into it more but I imagine genetics could play a huge part in how well a kid responds to a diet growing up?
I would rather a kid eat what he/she has to eat to grow healthily if required obviously though. Same as people taking medicine.1 - Sponsored links:
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So long as they get Vit B12 and Vit D I see no reason why not. We often go to vegan festivals and they are full of kids being raised vegan and none are ill so no I see no problem putting a baby on a vegan diet once they are ready to move to solids.Braziliance said:
Tbh I am not sure. I know of a lot of vegan families that have raised their kids fine but then I've heard stories of kids lacking in Iron etc. Then again I've heard of stories of kids being on a normal diet and being fine and then not fine growing up.WSS said:@Braziliance / @Stevelamb - Do you think it's healthy to put a baby on a vegan diet when they are ready to move to solids?
I'll look into it more but I imagine genetics could play a huge part in how well a kid responds to a diet growing up?
I would rather a kid eat what he/she has to eat to grow healthily if required obviously though. Same as people taking medicine.0 -
I haven't for three reasons:Braziliance said:Out of interest did anyone actually watch any of the videos suggested?
1. I'm very cautious about what videos I watch in public. Party because I don't want to fill the air with noise that others might not appreciate. Partly because I don't know exactly what the content is and I don't want others to label me as an oddbod if it's a bit far out.
2. I don't take videos very seriously as a method of conveying scientific facts or intellectual arguments. There are too many preachy, evangelical pseudo-scientists who are quite happy to strut their stuff in front of an audience/camera but rather less committed to actually undertaking genuine research and submitting it for peer review. I had a hunch that the videos posted here might be like this.
3. Selfish, self-protection from any brutal images that I wouldn't be able to erase from my mind.
Given the responses I've seen here, I'm glad I chose not to.1 -
Likewise, maybe it is some sort of fake news.Braziliance said:
Sorry not following you mate?Super_Eddie_Youds said:Maybe both of you should the selective viewing approach to the meat and dairy ads you can't avoid. Nothing to defend about the provenance of the sources then I guess?
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steve if you dont mind me asking what is a typical days meals0
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Your dog isn't vegan, you feed it vegan foodStevelamb said:
All protein comes from plants, where do you think animals get it from, they do not make it themselves.Leroy Ambrose said:Steve - you're mugging yourself off here. I genuinely don't think people like yourself realise how much of a disservice you do to your 'cause'
Simply put - your proselytising without evidence to back it up, your continual use of 'fake news' sources to back you up, your hyperbole in using deliberately misleading statements and lack of ability to articulate a paragraph that doesn't contain at least SOME bullshit makes you look crazy. It's clear you have an agenda - which is fine. Lots of people have agendas. Your problem is that you can't promote that agenda effectively from a position of lunacy.
Can people eat a balanced, healthy vegetarian diet? Absolutely. Not in question. Can people eat a balanced, healthy vegan diet? Yes. It's not as easy, and there will need to be some supplements included, and a lot of sacrifice in the way of convenience, and some acclimatisation to the different tastes involved with an exclusively plant-based diet - but it can be done
But... Does 'all protein come from plants'? No.
Is it legit for you to anthropomorphise cats and think they are somehow 'wrong' for exhibiting completely natural feline behaviour because it displeases you? No.
Is there a conspiracy from the meat industry to 'keep Vegans back'? No.
Grow up Steve. You'll have more chance of converting people to your 'cause' if you do
I have never said anything about cats, all I said was our dog is vegan. We have a cat but do not give him vegan food.
And most definitely there is a conspiracy from the meat, diary and pharmaceutical industries to keep vegans back.
It is also a fact that people that go vegan live a much less stressful life, so I very much think you should give it a try.7 -
As dust often includes human and animal hair and skin I doubt itGreenie said:0 -
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I haven't for three reasons:Braziliance said:Out of interest did anyone actually watch any of the videos suggested?
1. I'm very cautious about what videos I watch in public. Party because I don't want to fill the air with noise that others might not appreciate. Partly because I don't know exactly what the content is and I don't want others to label me as an oddbod if it's a bit far out.
2. I don't take videos very seriously as a method of conveying scientific facts or intellectual arguments. There are too many preachy, evangelical pseudo-scientists who are quite happy to strut their stuff in front of an audience/camera but rather less committed to actually undertaking genuine research and submitting it for peer review. I had a hunch that the videos posted here might be like this.
3. Selfish, self-protection from any brutal images that I wouldn't be able to erase from my mind.
Given the responses I've seen here, I'm glad I chose not to.
2. These are documentaries I have suggested not just people rambling. Again how can you shut it down without even attempting to watch?
3. That's why I have said I would question someone's morality if their views stayed the same after watching soemthing like Cowspiracy or Earthlings. For the record as well there are a lot of respectable and not seen as 'oddbods' celebrities who are vegan and are on record saying that earthlings is why they made the switch. So it's hardly some mumbo jumbo. Documentaries backed by hard evidence.
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This is a typical working day.palarsehater said:steve if you dont mind me asking what is a typical days meals
I start the day with a pint of cashew milk and add to it 2 tablespoons of ground flax seeds a quarter of a teaspoon of turmeric and freshly ground black pepper.
Next is strawberries about 20-30.
Next is toast or crumpets with marmite or peanut butter.
Then I have a couple of wraps filled with houmous, lettuce,red peppers,radish and sweet chilli sauce.
Next about 40 blueberries or a couple of oranges or bananas.
Next is a pint of tomato juice with a splash of Worcester sauce.
Loads of water.
I tend not to eat of an evening lol.
The weekends differ if we go out it will be an indian, thai, chinese, japanese, or a restaurant that offers vegan options such as zizi, or for something special the OXO tower or Tredwells, Vanilla Black there are just loads to be had.
Also my wife is vegan and a wonderful cook.
We also run a vegan B&B in SE12.
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Not surprised you don’t eat in the evening, you must be too busy on the bog.Stevelamb said:
This is a typical working day.palarsehater said:steve if you dont mind me asking what is a typical days meals
I start the day with a pint of cashew milk and add to it 2 tablespoons of ground flax seeds a quarter of a teaspoon of turmeric and freshly ground black pepper.
Next is strawberries about 20-30.
Next is toast or crumpets with marmite or peanut butter.
Then I have a couple of wraps filled with houmous, lettuce,red peppers,radish and sweet chilli sauce.
Next about 40 blueberries or a couple of oranges or bananas.
Next is a pint of tomato juice with a splash of Worcester sauce.
Loads of water.
I tend not to eat of an evening lol.
The weekends differ if we go out it will be an indian, thai, chinese, japanese, or a restaurant that offers vegan options such as zizi, or for something special the OXO tower or Tredwells, Vanilla Black there are just loads to be had.
Also my wife is vegan and a wonderful cook.
We also run a vegan B&B in SE12.8 -
I bet he has to pat it down with a shovel.DaveMehmet said:
Not surprised you don’t eat in the evening, you must be too busy on the bog.Stevelamb said:
This is a typical working day.palarsehater said:steve if you dont mind me asking what is a typical days meals
I start the day with a pint of cashew milk and add to it 2 tablespoons of ground flax seeds a quarter of a teaspoon of turmeric and freshly ground black pepper.
Next is strawberries about 20-30.
Next is toast or crumpets with marmite or peanut butter.
Then I have a couple of wraps filled with houmous, lettuce,red peppers,radish and sweet chilli sauce.
Next about 40 blueberries or a couple of oranges or bananas.
Next is a pint of tomato juice with a splash of Worcester sauce.
Loads of water.
I tend not to eat of an evening lol.
The weekends differ if we go out it will be an indian, thai, chinese, japanese, or a restaurant that offers vegan options such as zizi, or for something special the OXO tower or Tredwells, Vanilla Black there are just loads to be had.
Also my wife is vegan and a wonderful cook.
We also run a vegan B&B in SE12.0 -
Beat me to it. I’m afraid that diet would do me no good at all.DaveMehmet said:
Not surprised you don’t eat in the evening, you must be too busy on the bog.Stevelamb said:
This is a typical working day.palarsehater said:steve if you dont mind me asking what is a typical days meals
I start the day with a pint of cashew milk and add to it 2 tablespoons of ground flax seeds a quarter of a teaspoon of turmeric and freshly ground black pepper.
Next is strawberries about 20-30.
Next is toast or crumpets with marmite or peanut butter.
Then I have a couple of wraps filled with houmous, lettuce,red peppers,radish and sweet chilli sauce.
Next about 40 blueberries or a couple of oranges or bananas.
Next is a pint of tomato juice with a splash of Worcester sauce.
Loads of water.
I tend not to eat of an evening lol.
The weekends differ if we go out it will be an indian, thai, chinese, japanese, or a restaurant that offers vegan options such as zizi, or for something special the OXO tower or Tredwells, Vanilla Black there are just loads to be had.
Also my wife is vegan and a wonderful cook.
We also run a vegan B&B in SE12.0 -
Due to a staff crisis i will be working the Vegan vibe tonight so i’ll give it a try.0
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Greenwich Market & Plant Bass LDN are back with their new monthly collaboration to bring you the best Vegan Street Food, Vegan Drinks, & most importantly Vegan Vibes!!
This time, aswel as Dj's & ping pong, will be the addition of talks by a few hardworking individuals with inspirational and educational stories. Watch this space for more info on that. Till then you can feast your eyes on this absolutely stunning line up of greatness!!
VEGAN VIBES LINE UP
LITTLE LEAF FOOD, VEGANAUTI, RED TENT ETHIOPIA, RENEE'S KITCHEN, EN ROOT, PIGOUT, VEGAN GARDEN, SHAKEY SHAKEY, HIPPIE TURKS, FEEL GOOD CAFE,
BIFFS JACK SHACK, V-BURGER CAMDEN, MARLI'S KITCHEN, KALLY COOKS, PATTY BY NATURE
OSU COCONUTS, CITY JUICES, LA PAPAPAN
SPECIAL GUEST - KASIA ETHICAL WARE
WILDE JASMINE, BYE EDEN SKINCARE, VEGAN ACCOUNTANT, VEGAN LARDER, MCKINLEY & PAGET, TGA
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DATE AND TIME
Fri 13 July 2018
18:00 – 22:30 BST
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Greenwich Market
7a College Approach
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I am unable to make this venue this evening as it is Friday 13th July and today I start my 60th year on the planet.
Back on here Monday. Hope you all have a great weekend.
Stephen the Vegan.
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All makes sense now.Stevelamb said:
We also run a vegan B&B in SE12.palarsehater said:steve if you dont mind me asking what is a typical days meals
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It’s called Windy villas.Stu_of_Kunming said:
All makes sense now.Stevelamb said:
We also run a vegan B&B in SE12.palarsehater said:steve if you dont mind me asking what is a typical days meals
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You can’t necessarily look at someone and tell if they are well or ill.Stevelamb said:
So long as they get Vit B12 and Vit D I see no reason why not. We often go to vegan festivals and they are full of kids being raised vegan and none are ill so no I see no problem putting a baby on a vegan diet once they are ready to move to solids.Braziliance said:
Tbh I am not sure. I know of a lot of vegan families that have raised their kids fine but then I've heard stories of kids lacking in Iron etc. Then again I've heard of stories of kids being on a normal diet and being fine and then not fine growing up.WSS said:@Braziliance / @Stevelamb - Do you think it's healthy to put a baby on a vegan diet when they are ready to move to solids?
I'll look into it more but I imagine genetics could play a huge part in how well a kid responds to a diet growing up?
I would rather a kid eat what he/she has to eat to grow healthily if required obviously though. Same as people taking medicine.
If they’re ill they’ll probably be at home rather than a festival.0 -
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Blimey, thats a fruit intake, I guess the body gets used to it.Stevelamb said:
This is a typical working day.palarsehater said:steve if you dont mind me asking what is a typical days meals
I start the day with a pint of cashew milk and add to it 2 tablespoons of ground flax seeds a quarter of a teaspoon of turmeric and freshly ground black pepper.
Next is strawberries about 20-30.
Next is toast or crumpets with marmite or peanut butter.
Then I have a couple of wraps filled with houmous, lettuce,red peppers,radish and sweet chilli sauce.
Next about 40 blueberries or a couple of oranges or bananas.
Next is a pint of tomato juice with a splash of Worcester sauce.
Loads of water.
I tend not to eat of an evening lol.
The weekends differ if we go out it will be an indian, thai, chinese, japanese, or a restaurant that offers vegan options such as zizi, or for something special the OXO tower or Tredwells, Vanilla Black there are just loads to be had.
Also my wife is vegan and a wonderful cook.
We also run a vegan B&B in SE12.
Where abouts is the B&B in SE12...??0 -
">Have any of the vegans on here had kids? Did you start feeding them a vegan based diet from 6 months/a year old?
Yes. But fed solids much earlier than 6 months. When she was about two and a half years old we let her eat chocolate easter eggs because it seemed cruel not to let her scoff chocolate like her little buddies. Carob easter eggs were a bit naff then. Now a healthy thirty something vegan and very successful to boot. Only a very distant Addick though, despite my artful endeavours. (Mind you she still has her Charlton Teddy bear...)
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