The influence of the EU on Britain.

golfaddick said:

Stig said:

Given that much law is based on John Stuart Mill's principle that people are free to do as they please on the proviso that it doesn't harm others. And given that we know that Brexit will be harmful to the majority. Is there not some way that it would be illegal for the government to pursue Brexit knowing the harm that it would cause? With most government actions there are winners and losers and it can be argued that where individuals are harmed it is for the greater good. What is abundantly clear with Brexit is that there is no greater good and therefore no mitigation for the harm that will be done.

"and given that we KNOW that brexit will be harmful to the majority..."

do we ?? for certain ?? If so, then please can you tell me the numbers for tomorrows lottery as I wouldn't mind a winning ticket.

Interesting that you choose to ignore Chizz's question, but pick up on this.

Just how much evidence do you need to accept that you have pulled a ricket, and have the balls to admit it, Golfie?

golfaddick said:

Stig said:

Given that much law is based on John Stuart Mill's principle that people are free to do as they please on the proviso that it doesn't harm others. And given that we know that Brexit will be harmful to the majority. Is there not some way that it would be illegal for the government to pursue Brexit knowing the harm that it would cause? With most government actions there are winners and losers and it can be argued that where individuals are harmed it is for the greater good. What is abundantly clear with Brexit is that there is no greater good and therefore no mitigation for the harm that will be done.

"and given that we KNOW that brexit will be harmful to the majority..."

do we ?? for certain ?? If so, then please can you tell me the numbers for tomorrows lottery as I wouldn't mind a winning ticket.

In the sense that we know throwing ourselves off the top of The Shard is going to result in our deaths yes. I mean a giant eagle might swoop down and pluck us from the air or we might fall into the back of a passing mattress delivery truck... but the overwhelming likelihood is we will die.

Just as the evidence that was presented before the referendum and in the time since indicates Brexit will not, on balance, have a overall positive affect for most of us in the UK. I know that's a subjective statement and leaves me open to claims of confirmation bias and having different priorities to Leavers.

I don't for, example, give a toss if the levels of food colouring allowed in curries are decided in Westminster or Brussels, provided they ensure that the food itself ends up safe for me to eat. I accept that for some, that's an important matter of sovereignty but I don't particularly see the UK having to unilaterally undertake the research, legislation and enforcement behind issues like that as any sort of genuinely positive outcome.

But, and this is the nub of what's going on, there is nothing coming out of all this to counteract my natural bias towards thinking that we benefit, both economically and in many other areas, such as my food safety example, from our EU membership. We've seen report after report come out warning of the predicted impacts of Brexit on our economy and our everyday lives. All we are seeing from Leavers is yet more rhetorical claims that, with a fair wind, things might not be as bad as predicted and more allegations of Project Fear. Rather than calmly and factually addressing those reports and maybe even convincing people like me that there is at least some logic behind all this.

While you and many others are pinning your hopes on that giant eagle breaking your fall some of us are just suggesting that it might be more sensible to take the lift instead!

A-R-T-H-U-R said:

I heard the lift and the whole building was crammed full of immigrants, forcing the unconventional departure method.

That's the downside of spending too much time on social media, seeking out material for the Twitter thread...

Here's a nice one stop site for when the Brexit bullshit goes into overdrive:

http://www.brexitlies.com/

Chippycafc said:

Algarveaddick said:

Here's a nice one stop site for when the Brexit bullshit goes into overdrive:

http://www.brexitlies.com/

Not as good as this one....http://facts4eu.org/news_aug_b_2018.shtml

Good to see you embracing Google Chips. Easier than you thought ?

Chippycafc said:

Algarveaddick said:

Here's a nice one stop site for when the Brexit bullshit goes into overdrive:

http://www.brexitlies.com/

Not as good as this one....http://facts4eu.org/news_aug_b_2018.shtml

Yes - that's exactly the type of bullshit overdrive I was referring to chirps. Good find.

Algarveaddick said:

Chippycafc said:

Algarveaddick said:

Here's a nice one stop site for when the Brexit bullshit goes into overdrive:

http://www.brexitlies.com/

Not as good as this one....http://facts4eu.org/news_aug_b_2018.shtml

Yes - that's exactly the type of bullshit overdrive I was referring to chirps. Good find.

And yours wasn't...can't you ever say a sentence without swearing.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Chippycafc said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Chippycafc said:

Algarveaddick said:

Here's a nice one stop site for when the Brexit bullshit goes into overdrive:

http://www.brexitlies.com/

Not as good as this one....http://facts4eu.org/news_aug_b_2018.shtml

Good to see you embracing Google Chips. Easier than you thought ?

Was mailed to me...said the other day...do keep up....all my own work....not like others.

All your own work ?

It was mailed to you. Did you write it, send it to someone who sent it back and you posted it ?

Yet again you post something unintelligible for us to guess the meaning.

As Cordoban will tell you, "The game of the chipster"

Why do you guys even engage...?

Algarveaddick said:

Kind of the point of forums?

Debate is a process that involves discussion on a particular topic. In a debate, opposing arguments are put forward to argue for opposing viewpoints.

However, one side putting forward arguments based on a number of valid sources against another saying blah blah blah, experts suck, etc.. is not a debate.

Stu_of_Kunming said:

Algarveaddick said:

Kind of the point of forums?

To get trolled on a daily basis?

You are right Stu.

Stu_of_Kunming said:

Algarveaddick said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

Algarveaddick said:

Kind of the point of forums?

To get trolled on a daily basis?

You are right Stu.

I love reading that back and forth between most the of reasonable posters(Len, stonemouse, dippelhall being some on the Brexit side) , but when you get bogged down arguing with one of the most blatant trolls I've ever seen - maybe apart from the 'guy in Germany' - it simply baffles me, it must be like smashing your head against a wall, just more painful.

Dangermouse's more sedentary brother?

So what do our loyal remainers think of their loyalty and their opinion of today's march.

Chippycafc said:

So what do our loyal remainers think of their loyalty and their opinion of today's march.

Rubbish