His views are far worse and far more dangerous. Because Roland Duchatelet is an influential, rich, charismatic, businessman, entrepreneur and politician. He shouldn't use his platform to criticise immigrants. He shouldn't use his platform to call for the banning of a religion. He shouldn't call for mosques to be shut and imams deported. He shouldn't "other" people who are second or third generation immigrants in his country.
But if he does want to publicise those views, he should not be the "President" of a football club which has a long and proud tradition of fighting racism.
Charismatic? You sure Chizz?
Yes, absolutely. I take charismatic to mean being of strong character, fascinating, full of personality and being able to use those traits in order to lead. He's certainly had one or two people demonstrate that they are in his thrall.
Hitler had charisma. As did Mussolini and Stalin. And, along with Trump and Farage, they go a long way to prove you can have charisma, while being a dick.
His views are far worse and far more dangerous. Because Roland Duchatelet is an influential, rich, charismatic, businessman, entrepreneur and politician. He shouldn't use his platform to criticise immigrants. He shouldn't use his platform to call for the banning of a religion. He shouldn't call for mosques to be shut and imams deported. He shouldn't "other" people who are second or third generation immigrants in his country.
But if he does want to publicise those views, he should not be the "President" of a football club which has a long and proud tradition of fighting racism.
Charismatic? You sure Chizz?
Yes, absolutely. I take charismatic to mean being of strong character, fascinating, full of personality and being able to use those traits in order to lead. He's certainly had one or two people demonstrate that they are in his thrall.
You need to revise your interpretation of charismatic
His views are far worse and far more dangerous. Because Roland Duchatelet is an influential, rich, charismatic, businessman, entrepreneur and politician. He shouldn't use his platform to criticise immigrants. He shouldn't use his platform to call for the banning of a religion. He shouldn't call for mosques to be shut and imams deported. He shouldn't "other" people who are second or third generation immigrants in his country.
But if he does want to publicise those views, he should not be the "President" of a football club which has a long and proud tradition of fighting racism.
Charismatic? You sure Chizz?
Yes, absolutely. I take charismatic to mean being of strong character, fascinating, full of personality and being able to use those traits in order to lead. He's certainly had one or two people demonstrate that they are in his thrall.
You need to revise your interpretation of charismatic
No, I can go with the "strong character, fascinating, full of personality and being able to use those traits in order to lead" definition, just having trouble matching that to the Roland we know and loathe.
His views are far worse and far more dangerous. Because Roland Duchatelet is an influential, rich, charismatic, businessman, entrepreneur and politician. He shouldn't use his platform to criticise immigrants. He shouldn't use his platform to call for the banning of a religion. He shouldn't call for mosques to be shut and imams deported. He shouldn't "other" people who are second or third generation immigrants in his country.
But if he does want to publicise those views, he should not be the "President" of a football club which has a long and proud tradition of fighting racism.
Charismatic? You sure Chizz?
Yes, absolutely. I take charismatic to mean being of strong character, fascinating, full of personality and being able to use those traits in order to lead. He's certainly had one or two people demonstrate that they are in his thrall.
You need to revise your interpretation of charismatic
How would you interpret "charismatic" @Six-a-bag-of-nuts ? I am happy to stand by the definition I posted.
actually own a recruitment company and recruit in all industries.
Problem with this Country is too many parasites stealing a living off the back of hard working individuals.
Make HMRC seem almost decent.
superb, bravo addickted, got to say it made me chuckle, lucky i have skin like an elephant otherwise i might have been offended.
don't tell me, you hate donald trump, love khan, voted to remain, are probably a fan of corbyn, would describe tommy robinson as a racist and of course a hard core antifa fan who of course is would describe himself at liberal.
actually own a recruitment company and recruit in all industries.
Problem with this Country is too many parasites stealing a living off the back of hard working individuals.
Make HMRC seem almost decent.
superb, bravo addickted, got to say it made me chuckle, lucky i have skin like an elephant otherwise i might have been offended.
don't tell me, you hate donald trump, love khan, voted to remain, are probably a fan of corbyn, would describe tommy robinson as a racist and of course a hard core antifa fan who of course is would describe himself at liberal.
actually own a recruitment company and recruit in all industries.
Problem with this Country is too many parasites stealing a living off the back of hard working individuals.
Make HMRC seem almost decent.
superb, bravo addickted, got to say it made me chuckle, lucky i have skin like an elephant otherwise i might have been offended.
don't tell me, you hate donald trump, love khan, voted to remain, are probably a fan of corbyn, would describe tommy robinson as a racist and of course a hard core antifa fan who of course is would describe himself at liberal.
Wow.....you don’t know how wrong you are.
glad to hear it SA, i could say the same about addickted. listen i think Duche is the biggest cunt going, but it doesnt mean by agreeing with something he says about politics that i think any more of him, but he has a point.
actually own a recruitment company and recruit in all industries.
Problem with this Country is too many parasites stealing a living off the back of hard working individuals.
Make HMRC seem almost decent.
superb, bravo addickted, got to say it made me chuckle, lucky i have skin like an elephant otherwise i might have been offended.
don't tell me, you hate donald trump, love khan, voted to remain, are probably a fan of corbyn, would describe tommy robinson as a racist and of course a hard core antifa fan who of course is would describe himself at liberal.
No.
I just don't like 'recruitment consultants'. About as popular as a Jehovah's Witness at the local Mosque.
Pester me constantly, just because of my area of expertise. Piss off - I can find my own job thanks.
His views are far worse and far more dangerous. Because Roland Duchatelet is an influential, rich, charismatic, businessman, entrepreneur and politician. He shouldn't use his platform to criticise immigrants. He shouldn't use his platform to call for the banning of a religion. He shouldn't call for mosques to be shut and imams deported. He shouldn't "other" people who are second or third generation immigrants in his country.
But if he does want to publicise those views, he should not be the "President" of a football club which has a long and proud tradition of fighting racism.
Charismatic? You sure Chizz?
Yes, absolutely. I take charismatic to mean being of strong character, fascinating, full of personality and being able to use those traits in order to lead. He's certainly had one or two people demonstrate that they are in his thrall.
You need to revise your interpretation of charismatic
How would you interpret "charismatic" @Six-a-bag-of-nuts ? I am happy to stand by the definition I posted.
Oh I dunno Chizz, look it up in the Oxford English. I probably didn't mean that anyway. I probably meant that Duchatelet is about as Charismatic as my bum.
Am I right that they used Weegie's Free Translation Service - verbatim? If ever there was a need for proof that pro journos lift stuff from CL or the Trust site, that is it.
Shame they didn't pick up on his migration clap-trap, but still his own words show him to be an idiot losing £10million a year but in being in no rush to sell.
I think Roland must have given this interview before Bank Holiday Monday, because he was certainly singing a different tune about protesters in the interview he gave the following week! In fact, he seemed quite put out.
Oh Dear, what a pity!
Let's hope he realises that there is only one way he is going to rid himself of these unwelcome intrusions into his cosy little world in Sint-Truiden
I would argue charismatic is defined by someone with a compelling presence, offering confident and ease of communication in the presence of others. I am not sure M.Duchatelet sits easily within such criteria.
I have not worked extensively in Belgium but the wide ranging thoughts of M.Duchatelet for me encapsulate a very provincial mindset.
As random thoughts they are nothing exceptional. 90% corporate tax attorneys, mid corporate accountants and small business men, not to mention 100% of right wing politicians will argue to the tax burden. They neglect to recognise every commercial enterprise is reliant on a social infrastructure within which to operate.
I have not researched his education but even if he attended the most cosmopolitan of universities it appears to have had little effect on a home town boy. His view of the world comes over as very narrow if not naive.
Referencing his limited teaching experience as his justification for a negative labelling of the entire Belgian teaching profession is mind numbingly simplistic and arrogant.
To argue the profession is overloaded and "burdening the tax payer" may have some merit but then wanting society to pay everybody a minimum income for effectively staying at home is a difficult circle to square.
A minimum income theory is worthy of debate but it is not people's ingrained working culture which deters progress it is nobody can get the numbers to work without placing a "very heavy burden on tax paying working people".
His immigration comments almost suggest he has never really associated with an immigrant in his life. Considering the international nature of his footballing "enterprises" involving clubs, managers,agents and players it appears troublingly superficial.
I recognise it was just an interview but his replies appear to lack any capacity of thinking through his "ideas and concepts".
Any thought process which suggests any individual of any race, colour or creed should somehow be seen as inferior to the indigenous population, even generations later, and not be allowed to play a full part in shaping their future society certainly sounds racist. Whether his words are being taken out of context or not it is not just harsh it challenges the concept of democracy and free speech.
In football he appears to have been naive in acquiring Ujpest completely failing to understand the complexity of the possibly allegedly fraudulent financial arrangements he and son were taking on.
In acquiring Charlton he was naive in completely misunderstanding the culture of a London community, the flavour and complexity of the industry while failing to comprehend the detail of the diligence undertaken.
Just how many mistakes do you want to make?
Every time one of his ideas is challenged or "hits the buffers" it is, it seems because "ordinary people" do not get it.
What I find striking is the apparent perception you are a visionary simply because "you think outside of the box".
In my experience there are many people of talent who do have many an idea "outside the box" but they then recognise the need to a) clarify, inform & educate for others to sign into the value b) prove its value by implementing the strategies and policies to deliver the value.
Having a good idea and a different way of thinking is fine but just because nobody understands or signs into what you are talking about does not mean you are a visionary it just means you cannot communicate.
He in effect appears to blame everybody else for this major character flaw.
He defines the network of clubs opportunity where it is true many synergies do present opportunities but without analysing respective local markets and understanding of any of the skill sets and multi level industry knowledge and experience required you can but fail to deliver the concept.
The simplistic interpretation his mistake was not understanding the emotional aspect of the game ignores the failure in not understanding how to deliver the project in terms of the personnel, financial & human resource and communication investment required.
Did he or the people he employed have any idea of how far they were out of their depth? The results suggest absolutely none.
Thanks to 3 blokes I have this picture of his sitting in his little garden shed contemplating his latest good idea quietly humming to himself aglow in the knowledge of just how clever he is.
It explains a very great deal about the way we have regressed.
Am I right that they used Weegie's Free Translation Service - verbatim? If ever there was a need for proof that pro journos lift stuff from CL or the Trust site, that is it.
Indeed. I've got the journalist's contact so the bill is in the post ;-)
Meanwhile I am very flattered to have seemingly prompted an @Grapevine treatise.
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Hitler had charisma. As did Mussolini and Stalin. And, along with Trump and Farage, they go a long way to prove you can have charisma, while being a dick.
Make HMRC seem almost decent.
don't tell me, you hate donald trump, love khan, voted to remain, are probably a fan of corbyn, would describe tommy robinson as a racist and of course a hard core antifa fan who of course is would describe himself at liberal.
I just don't like 'recruitment consultants'. About as popular as a Jehovah's Witness at the local Mosque.
Pester me constantly, just because of my area of expertise. Piss off - I can find my own job thanks.
I probably didn't mean that anyway.
I probably meant that Duchatelet is about as Charismatic as my bum.
https://standard.co.uk/sport/football/charlton-owner-roland-duchatelet-investing-in-football-has-been-the-mistake-of-my-life-a3928341.html
'The football business doesn’t suit me. Too irrational. If you want to lose real money, buy a football club.'
Not exactly the best way to encourage bidders to meet his inflated valuation of a club losing £10m each year.
Oh Dear, what a pity!
Let's hope he realises that there is only one way he is going to rid himself of these unwelcome intrusions into his cosy little world in Sint-Truiden
Just sell the club, our famous football club,....
I would argue charismatic is defined by someone with a compelling presence, offering confident and ease of communication in the presence of others. I am not sure M.Duchatelet sits easily within such criteria.
I have not worked extensively in Belgium but the wide ranging thoughts of M.Duchatelet for me encapsulate a very provincial mindset.
As random thoughts they are nothing exceptional. 90% corporate tax attorneys, mid corporate accountants and small business men, not to mention 100% of right wing politicians will argue to the tax burden. They neglect to recognise every commercial enterprise is reliant on a social infrastructure within which to operate.
I have not researched his education but even if he attended the most cosmopolitan of universities it appears to have had little effect on a home town boy. His view of the world comes over as very narrow if not naive.
Referencing his limited teaching experience as his justification for a negative labelling of the entire Belgian teaching profession is mind numbingly simplistic and arrogant.
To argue the profession is overloaded and "burdening the tax payer" may have some merit but then wanting society to pay everybody a minimum income for effectively staying at home is a difficult circle to square.
A minimum income theory is worthy of debate but it is not people's ingrained working culture which deters progress it is nobody can get the numbers to work without placing a "very heavy burden on tax paying working people".
His immigration comments almost suggest he has never really associated with an immigrant in his life. Considering the international nature of his footballing "enterprises" involving clubs, managers,agents and players it appears troublingly superficial.
I recognise it was just an interview but his replies appear to lack any capacity of thinking through his "ideas and concepts".
Any thought process which suggests any individual of any race, colour or creed should somehow be seen as inferior to the indigenous population, even generations later, and not be allowed to play a full part in shaping their future society certainly sounds racist. Whether his words are being taken out of context or not it is not just harsh it challenges the concept of democracy and free speech.
In football he appears to have been naive in acquiring Ujpest completely failing to understand the complexity of the possibly allegedly fraudulent financial arrangements he and son were taking on.
In acquiring Charlton he was naive in completely misunderstanding the culture of a London community, the flavour and complexity of the industry while failing to comprehend the detail of the diligence undertaken.
Just how many mistakes do you want to make?
Every time one of his ideas is challenged or "hits the buffers" it is, it seems because "ordinary people" do not get it.
What I find striking is the apparent perception you are a visionary simply because "you think outside of the box".
In my experience there are many people of talent who do have many an idea "outside the box" but they then recognise the need to a) clarify, inform & educate for others to sign into the value b) prove its value by implementing the strategies and policies to deliver the value.
Having a good idea and a different way of thinking is fine but just because nobody understands or signs into what you are talking about does not mean you are a visionary it just means you cannot communicate.
He in effect appears to blame everybody else for this major character flaw.
He defines the network of clubs opportunity where it is true many synergies do present opportunities but without analysing respective local markets and understanding of any of the skill sets and multi level industry knowledge and experience required you can but fail to deliver the concept.
The simplistic interpretation his mistake was not understanding the emotional aspect of the game ignores the failure in not understanding how to deliver the project in terms of the personnel, financial & human resource and communication investment required.
Did he or the people he employed have any idea of how far they were out of their depth? The results suggest absolutely none.
Thanks to 3 blokes I have this picture of his sitting in his little garden shed contemplating his latest good idea quietly humming to himself aglow in the knowledge of just how clever he is.
It explains a very great deal about the way we have regressed.
Meanwhile I am very flattered to have seemingly prompted an @Grapevine treatise.
Lucky idiot springs to mind.
Complete fruit loop....
Of all of the owners in all of the world, we get him.
Katrien and Karlen went barking mad purely down to his influence - that might be pushing it a little !