The influence of the EU on Britain.
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When I was growing, English people always seemed to be saying "We were better off in the war - best days of my life". In fact my mother often talks fondly of the war and the feeling of comradery. Sing songs down in the tube station overnight and all that!blackpool72 said:I know a couple of Bulgarian guys who live in South London.
They work for a company that collect car tyres for recycling.
They are both adamant that they had a better standard of living under communism.
Like others have said I find it hard that they think like this but the fact is that they do.
Don't think she really wants Hitler back though!8 -
There are no words ( other than Andrea fucking Leadsom, which covers it alll really)
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I see David Davis now twisting the knife he used on Teresa May’s back calling for a cabinet rebellion on May’s Brexit strategy. What a piece of work this man is. Happy to sit in a top job in which he achieved absolutely zero until it suited him to jump ship. Obviously sees an opportunity to grab her job. Like Johnson these people are self serving bastards.
Only positive I can see is that it’s now pretty obvious that the Tories are going to split asunder. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.
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Since when was it either noble or the “right” decision to continue to pursue a policy that will knowingly make everyone’s lives worse off in the name of a political ideology?8 -
That's what's known as a false dichotomy, and shows the black and white (and wrong) thinking that got us into this messkentaddick said:
Since when was it either noble or the “right” decision to continue to pursue a policy that will knowingly make everyone’s lives worse off in the name of a political ideology?0 -
its not political fucking ideology its what the electorate voted for ffs !!kentaddick said:
Since when was it either noble or the “right” decision to continue to pursue a policy that will knowingly make everyone’s lives worse off in the name of a political ideology?
Leave means leave. not stay in some convoluted customs union or tied to the EU in any wsy shape or form.
I for 1 salute MP's like her. Prepared to stand up & be counted & not meekly agree with whatever shitfest TM concocts with the EU.8 -
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/14/will-mrs-may-bastards-risk-destroying-their-own-government
“The difficulty from the very beginning has been how to find an arrangement that simultaneously worked with the EU, satisfied the Conservative party and was capable of commanding a majority in the Commons. One way of looking at the last 28 months of Brexit torture is as a protracted and painful education in the impossibility of finding a satisfactory solution to this conundrum. Another way of looking at the last 28 months is as a long and expensive education for Britain that any deal is going to be suboptimal, because there is no deal with the EU that is better than the terms we currently enjoy as members. Any number of cabinet resignations are not going to change that.”4 -
Oh dear Golfie - fifth time (I think) I have had to trot this out. Your heroes said we would be staying in the single market though, didn't they...golfaddick said:
its not political fucking ideology its what the electorate voted for ffs !!kentaddick said:
Since when was it either noble or the “right” decision to continue to pursue a policy that will knowingly make everyone’s lives worse off in the name of a political ideology?
Leave means leave. not stay in some convoluted customs union or tied to the EU in any wsy shape or form.
I for 1 salute MP's like her. Prepared to stand up & be counted & not meekly agree with whatever shitfest TM concocts with the EU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY
So you are wrong. Again.14 -
100% this. The biggest and single most important issue for Britain is remaining in the single market and the lies told by the scum in the video who peddled that and then tried to tell us they didn’t. Brexit campaign was a con trick of epic proportions and millions of us fell for it and now we’re falling for con trick II. The will of the people has to be honoured no matter how fucking mental that is.Algarveaddick said:
Oh dear Golfie - fifth time (I think) I have had to trot this out. Your heroes said we would be staying in the single market though, didn't they...golfaddick said:
its not political fucking ideology its what the electorate voted for ffs !!kentaddick said:
Since when was it either noble or the “right” decision to continue to pursue a policy that will knowingly make everyone’s lives worse off in the name of a political ideology?
Leave means leave. not stay in some convoluted customs union or tied to the EU in any wsy shape or form.
I for 1 salute MP's like her. Prepared to stand up & be counted & not meekly agree with whatever shitfest TM concocts with the EU.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY
So you are wrong. Again.
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His is being disrespectful to May. He shouldn't have taken the job in the first place and whatever your political beliefs, you should be able to recognise a traitor when you see one.ShootersHillGuru said:I see David Davis now twisting the knife he used on Teresa May’s back calling for a cabinet rebellion on May’s Brexit strategy. What a piece of work this man is. Happy to sit in a top job in which he achieved absolutely zero until it suited him to jump ship. Obviously sees an opportunity to grab her job. Like Johnson these people are self serving bastards.
Only positive I can see is that it’s now pretty obvious that the Tories are going to split asunder. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.0 - Sponsored links:
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Pretty sure I have seen Boris bigging up the Norway option as well.0
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The other day the thing that you said threatened 'leave means leave' was the IRA, now you say it is whatever shitfest TM concocts with the EU. Are you now saying TM is a member of the IRA?golfaddick said:
its not political fucking ideology its what the electorate voted for ffs !!kentaddick said:
Since when was it either noble or the “right” decision to continue to pursue a policy that will knowingly make everyone’s lives worse off in the name of a political ideology?
Leave means leave. not stay in some convoluted customs union or tied to the EU in any wsy shape or form.
I for 1 salute MP's like her. Prepared to stand up & be counted & not meekly agree with whatever shitfest TM concocts with the EU.4 -
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/economics-and-finance/former-chief-economist-at-wto-no-deal-brexiteers-are-playing-fast-and-loose-with-the-facts
Great article/ project fear propaganda. Worth a couple of minutes.0 -
Those like @Southbank who argue that :
- the EU is dominated by Germany
- the EU is "bullying" or "trying to punish" Britain
- politics in other EU countries is moving towards a similar 'exit' policy.
need to listen to this absolutely on the money report from the BBC's Mark Mardell this lunchtime from the Netherlands. Starts at 10.21 mins. If nothing else listen from 13.30 to a Mr Mulder, a Dutch MP in charge of Brexit preparation who delivers one of the best lines I've heard in the last three years, referring to a 'special relationship'....
Listen to the Dutch, for chrissake...0 -
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1KG1XP&ved=2ahUKEwjN8t6R0IbeAhVLCcAKHQFSC3UQFjABegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw0yzFfi6B3Dqk5DnxiXFLJd&cf=1PragueAddick said:Those like @Southbank who argue that :
- the EU is dominated by Germany
- the EU is "bullying" or "trying to punish" Britain
- politics in other EU countries is moving towards a similar 'exit' policy.
need to listen to this absolutely on the money report from the BBC's Mark Mardell this lunchtime from the Netherlands. Starts at 10.21 mins. If nothing else listen from 13.30 to a Mr Mulder, a Dutch MP in charge of Brexit preparation who delivers one of the best lines I've heard in the last three years, referring to a 'special relationship'....
Listen to the Dutch, for chrissake...
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Eurosceptic parties could reach a total of 17.3% of MEPs? Hardly suggests a great tide of anti-EU feeling in Europe.Southbank said:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1KG1XP&ved=2ahUKEwjN8t6R0IbeAhVLCcAKHQFSC3UQFjABegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw0yzFfi6B3Dqk5DnxiXFLJd&cf=1PragueAddick said:Those like @Southbank who argue that :
- the EU is dominated by Germany
- the EU is "bullying" or "trying to punish" Britain
- politics in other EU countries is moving towards a similar 'exit' policy.
need to listen to this absolutely on the money report from the BBC's Mark Mardell this lunchtime from the Netherlands. Starts at 10.21 mins. If nothing else listen from 13.30 to a Mr Mulder, a Dutch MP in charge of Brexit preparation who delivers one of the best lines I've heard in the last three years, referring to a 'special relationship'....
Listen to the Dutch, for chrissake...
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In a world when 37% is the clear and undisputable will of the people, then I guess 17% is a tsunami of support7
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It is dominated by Germany though.PragueAddick said:Those like @Southbank who argue that :
- the EU is dominated by Germany
- the EU is "bullying" or "trying to punish" Britain
- politics in other EU countries is moving towards a similar 'exit' policy.
need to listen to this absolutely on the money report from the BBC's Mark Mardell this lunchtime from the Netherlands. Starts at 10.21 mins. If nothing else listen from 13.30 to a Mr Mulder, a Dutch MP in charge of Brexit preparation who delivers one of the best lines I've heard in the last three years, referring to a 'special relationship'....
Listen to the Dutch, for chrissake...2 -
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To be fair he’s right about one thing. Leave means leave. If Brexit is such a good thing we should just leave and reap the benefits of it.....a deal is irrelevant. If leaving the EU is such a good thing, all this deal stuff would be nonsense.Algarveaddick said:
Oh dear Golfie - fifth time (I think) I have had to trot this out. Your heroes said we would be staying in the single market though, didn't they...golfaddick said:
its not political fucking ideology its what the electorate voted for ffs !!kentaddick said:
Since when was it either noble or the “right” decision to continue to pursue a policy that will knowingly make everyone’s lives worse off in the name of a political ideology?
Leave means leave. not stay in some convoluted customs union or tied to the EU in any wsy shape or form.
I for 1 salute MP's like her. Prepared to stand up & be counted & not meekly agree with whatever shitfest TM concocts with the EU.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY
So you are wrong. Again.2 - Sponsored links:
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I had missed that the Dutch have recruited an additional 1000 customs staff in preparation of a "chaotic Brexit". We, on the other hand, don't even appear to know how many we already have let alone have recruited and trained enough to cope with the extra work leaving will bring about...PragueAddick said:Those like @Southbank who argue that :
- the EU is dominated by Germany
- the EU is "bullying" or "trying to punish" Britain
- politics in other EU countries is moving towards a similar 'exit' policy.
need to listen to this absolutely on the money report from the BBC's Mark Mardell this lunchtime from the Netherlands. Starts at 10.21 mins. If nothing else listen from 13.30 to a Mr Mulder, a Dutch MP in charge of Brexit preparation who delivers one of the best lines I've heard in the last three years, referring to a 'special relationship'....
Listen to the Dutch, for chrissake...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-customs-officers-eu-uk-no-deal-europe-ports-airports-home-office-a8456881.html
Yet still people are prepared to put our faith in these fecking morons in charge.7 -
Ironic really, all of the Brexit nutters will have their blue passports back....but will be stuck in queues so long that they won't be able to use them.Bournemouth Addick said:
I had missed that the Dutch have recruited an additional 1000 customs staff in preparation of a "chaotic Brexit". We, on the other hand, don't even appear to know how many we already have let alone have recruited and trained enough to cope with the extra work leaving will bring about...PragueAddick said:Those like @Southbank who argue that :
- the EU is dominated by Germany
- the EU is "bullying" or "trying to punish" Britain
- politics in other EU countries is moving towards a similar 'exit' policy.
need to listen to this absolutely on the money report from the BBC's Mark Mardell this lunchtime from the Netherlands. Starts at 10.21 mins. If nothing else listen from 13.30 to a Mr Mulder, a Dutch MP in charge of Brexit preparation who delivers one of the best lines I've heard in the last three years, referring to a 'special relationship'....
Listen to the Dutch, for chrissake...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-customs-officers-eu-uk-no-deal-europe-ports-airports-home-office-a8456881.html
Yet still people are prepared to put our faith in these fecking morons in charge.2 -
"We are committed to ensuring that Border Force has the resources it needs to keep the UK safe." Queues at Heathrow and Gatwick were already exceeding two hours this summer. How are these people allowed to lie so freely?1
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Yet they are two points ahead in the polls. Perhaps this country and the tories deserve each other.harveys_gardener said:"We are committed to ensuring that Border Force has the resources it needs to keep the UK safe." Queues at Heathrow and Gatwick were already exceeding two hours this summer. How are these people allowed to lie so freely?
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If it is a no-deal scenario then you are going to see utter carnage at all UK seaports and transport links.
The Kent coast, in particular, could get absolutely paralysed with tail-backs from lorries waiting to be allowed to board ferries going to Europe.
Once the UK leaves the EU then it becomes a rival state, why would the French make it easier for UK companies to import goods into Europe? Why would the Belgians do similar at Zeebrugge?
Now we really are going to get to the fun part and I can't hardly wait to see these Brexit charlatans exposed once and for all by cold, hard reality.1 -
ABC.ShootersHillGuru said:
Yet they are two points ahead in the polls. Perhaps this country and the country deserve each other.harveys_gardener said:"We are committed to ensuring that Border Force has the resources it needs to keep the UK safe." Queues at Heathrow and Gatwick were already exceeding two hours this summer. How are these people allowed to lie so freely?
Anyone but Corbyn, (McDonnell & Abbott).0 -
The one thing that every German government have sedulously sought to achieve in the EU, mindful as they are of recent history, is not dominating it.MuttleyCAFC said:
It is dominated by Germany though.PragueAddick said:Those like @Southbank who argue that :
- the EU is dominated by Germany
- the EU is "bullying" or "trying to punish" Britain
- politics in other EU countries is moving towards a similar 'exit' policy.
need to listen to this absolutely on the money report from the BBC's Mark Mardell this lunchtime from the Netherlands. Starts at 10.21 mins. If nothing else listen from 13.30 to a Mr Mulder, a Dutch MP in charge of Brexit preparation who delivers one of the best lines I've heard in the last three years, referring to a 'special relationship'....
Listen to the Dutch, for chrissake...
Germany is certainly the leading economy in the EU, but is generally happier to have had France or other EU states (including the UK) to take the lead in major political decisions about the future of the EU.
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ffs !! no one is my hero. I didnt vote for any person or party. I voted to leave the EU. TM's Chequers plan (which is being watered down as I type) does not constitute leaving on 29th March. I dont care what anyone said pre or post June 2016. All I care about is that the Government deliver what they asked me to vote on. If they can't then fair enough.....but say it. Own up. Go on tv & say "sorry, we asked you to vote on something that is undeliverable. we were wrong. The UK can not leave the EU, ending freedom of trade & movement of people. we are incompetent because we didnt check this out before asking you. we will now have a GE so that you, the people, can decide what happens next".Algarveaddick said:
Oh dear Golfie - fifth time (I think) I have had to trot this out. Your heroes said we would be staying in the single market though, didn't they...golfaddick said:
its not political fucking ideology its what the electorate voted for ffs !!kentaddick said:
Since when was it either noble or the “right” decision to continue to pursue a policy that will knowingly make everyone’s lives worse off in the name of a political ideology?
Leave means leave. not stay in some convoluted customs union or tied to the EU in any wsy shape or form.
I for 1 salute MP's like her. Prepared to stand up & be counted & not meekly agree with whatever shitfest TM concocts with the EU.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY
So you are wrong. Again.
Its quite simple. they asked a yes or no question......we should have an answer.
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What was it about a government that gave us the word "omnishambles" that convinced you they could deliver the withdrawal of the country from the most complex set of multilateral trading and regulatory arrangements in history then golfie? Was it their approach to the pasty tax?golfaddick said:
ffs !! no one is my hero. I didnt vote for any person or party. I voted to leave the EU. TM's Chequers plan (which is being watered down as I type) does not constitute leaving on 29th March. I dont care what anyone said pre or post June 2016. All I care about is that the Government deliver what they asked me to vote on. If they can't then fair enough.....but say it. Own up. Go on tv & say "sorry, we asked you to vote on something that is undeliverable. we were wrong. The UK can not leave the EU, ending freedom of trade & movement of people. we are incompetent because we didnt check this out before asking you. we will now have a GE so that you, the people, can decide what happens next".Algarveaddick said:
Oh dear Golfie - fifth time (I think) I have had to trot this out. Your heroes said we would be staying in the single market though, didn't they...golfaddick said:
its not political fucking ideology its what the electorate voted for ffs !!kentaddick said:
Since when was it either noble or the “right” decision to continue to pursue a policy that will knowingly make everyone’s lives worse off in the name of a political ideology?
Leave means leave. not stay in some convoluted customs union or tied to the EU in any wsy shape or form.
I for 1 salute MP's like her. Prepared to stand up & be counted & not meekly agree with whatever shitfest TM concocts with the EU.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY
So you are wrong. Again.
Its quite simple. they asked a yes or no question......we should have an answer.
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I think the evidence points elswhere. When you look at the treatment of Greece - Germany was right of the heart of that. The Euro is a currency that is brilliant for Germany, less so for other countries. Having said all that, we will suffer a massive financial hit leaving the EU so we ought to agree it is daft to leave at least.NornIrishAddick said:
The one thing that every German government have sedulously sought to achieve in the EU, mindful as they are of recent history, is not dominating it.MuttleyCAFC said:
It is dominated by Germany though.PragueAddick said:Those like @Southbank who argue that :
- the EU is dominated by Germany
- the EU is "bullying" or "trying to punish" Britain
- politics in other EU countries is moving towards a similar 'exit' policy.
need to listen to this absolutely on the money report from the BBC's Mark Mardell this lunchtime from the Netherlands. Starts at 10.21 mins. If nothing else listen from 13.30 to a Mr Mulder, a Dutch MP in charge of Brexit preparation who delivers one of the best lines I've heard in the last three years, referring to a 'special relationship'....
Listen to the Dutch, for chrissake...
Germany is certainly the leading economy in the EU, but is generally happier to have had France or other EU states (including the UK) to take the lead in major political decisions about the future of the EU.0
