The influence of the EU on Britain.
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Sorry I have missed that, what Cohen said that and where did they say it?Rothko said:
It as Cohen pointed out, they want as much damage done, so people turn to the hard left, this is just the startCordoban Addick said:
Why will they love that?Rothko said:Cohen is right on Corbyn, old Jez believes in Socialism in one country, and if that means the country is badly badly damaged, to get that, then great.
And this is the thing him and Milne will love
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/dec/16/jaguar-land-rover-to-axe-up-to-5000-jobs?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR0P9e5AgZxTwNjb6h0wFI7FA5jpcqKdqiQTOCgRKX4V-akoL5Ilw2Zkkjg
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Ta. If Corbyn is a Marxist-Leninist he has to be just about the worst one in history. Which I guess would chime with the view of those that think he is crap at everything.Rothko said:
Cohen, who likes a bit of anti-left sensationalism, uses this quote. “When someone shows you who they are, believe them,” (Maya Angelou) as if to justify his own article. What exactly does that mean? What has Corbyn shown us that he is? When has he ever argued for economic collapse? His policies are barely to the left of Ed Miliband!
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Yes, I counted Turkey and didn't count Russia.PragueAddick said:
The world, almost certainly. I sort of retreated from long distance travel. I'll have a think about rest of Europe, but I don't think i can make 40. BTW, where does "Europe" end for you? Turkey counts I guess, but not Russia?captainbob said:Bournemouth Addick said:
Ooh we have a new leader...PragueAddick said:
I am only missing Estonia (really want to go) and Malta (really want us to kick them out, gangster run, money-laundering, journalist-murdering useless piece of rock)se9addick said:
I’ve been to 18 too, missing some of the smaller ones.CharltonMadrid said:
Been to 18 of the non UK 27, plus Iceland, Bosnia and Russia on the fringe of the EU. Also Monaco - does that count?Bournemouth Addick said:Apropos of the visa thing coming in, and for no other reason than I was bored, has anyone on here visited the entire 27 other countries in the EU?
After a quick count up I reckon I've visited 14 of them plus Norway and Switzerland.
Doh! Ok, maybe I can beat Prague on wider Europe (40 visited) or the world (63).Bournemouth Addick said:
Ooh we have a new leader...PragueAddick said:
I am only missing Estonia (really want to go) and Malta (really want us to kick them out, gangster run, money-laundering, journalist-murdering useless piece of rock)se9addick said:
I’ve been to 18 too, missing some of the smaller ones.CharltonMadrid said:
Been to 18 of the non UK 27, plus Iceland, Bosnia and Russia on the fringe of the EU. Also Monaco - does that count?Bournemouth Addick said:Apropos of the visa thing coming in, and for no other reason than I was bored, has anyone on here visited the entire 27 other countries in the EU?
After a quick count up I reckon I've visited 14 of them plus Norway and Switzerland.
Edit: Confession. I forgot one other EU country I haven't visited, and this is very embarrassing. It is Ireland :-)
Re other European countries I can only add Norway Switzerland, Serbia and Turkey. I think, though, that the night sleeper from Zurich to Prague passes through Liechtenstein - thats what my phone told me anyway, so I'll take that:-)
are there really as many as 40 European countries?
I may be wrong but I make it 44 nation-states in Europe.
That is the 28 EU nations plus 15 others that I have visited:
Andorra, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Monaco, San Marino, Switzerland, Turkey, Vatican City, Ukraine, Macedonia, Albania, Montenegro, Bosnia, Belarus, Moldova
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One of the only really good things about Liechtenstein is that it takes you 10 minutes to drive through it and out of it.1
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No, it's a really bad thing. In 1991 when I was hitching to Eastern Europe, an attractive hairdresser picked me up and drove me across Liechtenstein. If she'd driven me across Germany, I may have had a chance but ten minutes was not long enough to charm her.Alwaysneil said:One of the only really good things about Liechtenstein is that it takes you 10 minutes to drive through it and out of it.
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Can't resist asking, Captain, did you eventually marry one of these foreign girlfriends? :-)captainbob said:
No, it's a really bad thing. In 1991 when I was hitching to Eastern Europe, an attractive hairdresser picked me up and drove me across Liechtenstein. If she'd driven me across Germany, I may have had a chance but ten minutes was not long enough to charm her.Alwaysneil said:One of the only really good things about Liechtenstein is that it takes you 10 minutes to drive through it and out of it.
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Looks like one of the Grauniad subs has got a transfer to the Daily Express's social media section.3
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Sounds like porject faer4
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Unexpected source for that sort of headline, express has been banging the drum pretty hard for just getting out, deal or noThreadKiller said:1 -
Express logic: Campaign vehemently for a hard brexit. Later point out it'll cause travel 'CHAOS'. Next step, blame the EU. I struggle to believe people actually pay for that shit.ThreadKiller said:
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No need to do anything but leave. For the past 2 years TM & her cabinet said.."no deal is better than a bad deal...". If her deal is a bad one (And everyone in the HOC says it is) them just leave without one. It is not hard is it. Jeez.MuttleyCAFC said:Ok- what of these has any hope of getting the numbers to be agreed by the House of Commons:
ERG Hard Brexit, May's deal, Labour's Customs Union Brexit, Another election, No Brexit at all, Another vote.
Do the maths yourselves. But my maths says that as soon as you remove the election option which will happen at some point, the numbers are there for the final one. If that is the only one the numbers are there for, it is what is going to happen isn't it?2 -
How will borders operate once the UK has left?golfaddick said:
No need to do anything but leave. For the past 2 years TM & her cabinet said.."no deal is better than a bad deal...". If her deal is a bad one (And everyone in the HOC says it is) them just leave without one. It is not hard is it. Jeez.MuttleyCAFC said:Ok- what of these has any hope of getting the numbers to be agreed by the House of Commons:
ERG Hard Brexit, May's deal, Labour's Customs Union Brexit, Another election, No Brexit at all, Another vote.
Do the maths yourselves. But my maths says that as soon as you remove the election option which will happen at some point, the numbers are there for the final one. If that is the only one the numbers are there for, it is what is going to happen isn't it?1 -
If we don't leave the EU I will be spoiling my ballot paper for evermore.......simply writing LIARS & CHEATS every time.Callumcafc said:In a Deal vs No Deal ref, I spoil my ballot.
Just fecking leave. OK.1 -
No idea. Ask the EU......they seem to have all the answers.seth plum said:
How will borders operate once the UK has left?golfaddick said:
No need to do anything but leave. For the past 2 years TM & her cabinet said.."no deal is better than a bad deal...". If her deal is a bad one (And everyone in the HOC says it is) them just leave without one. It is not hard is it. Jeez.MuttleyCAFC said:Ok- what of these has any hope of getting the numbers to be agreed by the House of Commons:
ERG Hard Brexit, May's deal, Labour's Customs Union Brexit, Another election, No Brexit at all, Another vote.
Do the maths yourselves. But my maths says that as soon as you remove the election option which will happen at some point, the numbers are there for the final one. If that is the only one the numbers are there for, it is what is going to happen isn't it?1 -
golfaddick said:
If we don't leave the EU I will be spoiling my ballot paper for evermore.......simply writing LIARS & CHEATS every time.Callumcafc said:In a Deal vs No Deal ref, I spoil my ballot.
Just fecking leave. OK.2 -
And for the past two years, lots of people have been pointing out that "no deal is better than a bad deal" was bullshit. You might want to have a look at the video in this tweet to see how hard it's going to be for just one industry. While they may be particularly badly hit, they aren't the only ones by any means.golfaddick said:
No need to do anything but leave. For the past 2 years TM & her cabinet said.."no deal is better than a bad deal...". If her deal is a bad one (And everyone in the HOC says it is) them just leave without one. It is not hard is it. Jeez.MuttleyCAFC said:Ok- what of these has any hope of getting the numbers to be agreed by the House of Commons:
ERG Hard Brexit, May's deal, Labour's Customs Union Brexit, Another election, No Brexit at all, Another vote.
Do the maths yourselves. But my maths says that as soon as you remove the election option which will happen at some point, the numbers are there for the final one. If that is the only one the numbers are there for, it is what is going to happen isn't it?
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Unfortunately the ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’ strap line was a lie.
No deal is worse than any shit deal.14 -
No deal is a bad deal. It’s about as meaningless a slogan as Brexit means Brexit.4
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This ! You cannot judge JC on what he said in 1980 any more can you do so with a Tory member of the Bullingdon Club from the same periodCordoban Addick said:
Ta. If Corbyn is a Marxist-Leninist he has to be just about the worst one in history. Which I guess would chime with the view of those that think he is crap at everything.Rothko said:
Cohen, who likes a bit of anti-left sensationalism, uses this quote. “When someone shows you who they are, believe them,” (Maya Angelou) as if to justify his own article. What exactly does that mean? What has Corbyn shown us that he is? When has he ever argued for economic collapse? His policies are barely to the left of Ed Miliband!
People grow , develop , change to current circumstances, and I dare say mature. Also and critically politicians campaign in poetry and govern in prose . The Labour manifesto which unlike the tory non existent one laid out a policy suite that was broadly centre left.
The last 35 years has seen a huge shift to the right and JC et al are a natural readjustment in British political life1 -
I would love to see Jo Johnson become PM, just to laugh at Boris. Jo certainly seems to have a lot more integrity although that's not saying a lot.6
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It is strange that the better brother (understatement of the year) is not even mentioned in that context. Mind you, everything is strange right now!0
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What sort of politican would steal his brothers job?Huskaris said:I would love to see Jo Johnson become PM, just to laugh at Boris. Jo certainly seems to have a lot more integrity although that's not saying a lot.
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How would Jo Johnson becoming PM be “stealing” his brothers job?smudge7946 said:
What sort of politican would steal his brothers job?Huskaris said:I would love to see Jo Johnson become PM, just to laugh at Boris. Jo certainly seems to have a lot more integrity although that's not saying a lot.
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To be honest, he is a strong Remainer and has no hope of getting the job. I agree that he seems like a decent bloke though.0
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Yeah but we make an instant £39bn saving... says the “Leave Means Leave” Twitter account.Callumcafc said:No deal is a bad deal. It’s about as meaningless a slogan as Brexit means Brexit.
A response video to all his points:
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I liked the response under his video:
Everyone should do this:
Walk into a Wetherspoons, order 20 pints. Once they are poured, just say you changed your mind and don’t want them now. Then walk out of the door. If questioned, explain you are following Martin’s advice to the letter.16 -
Golfie late night posting again. Oh dear...golfaddick said:
If we don't leave the EU I will be spoiling my ballot paper for evermore.......simply writing LIARS & CHEATS every time.Callumcafc said:In a Deal vs No Deal ref, I spoil my ballot.
Just fecking leave. OK.
Not read this thread for over 1000 posts, so may be going over old ground, but though I have blocked most of the right wing bullshit sites on facebook (it is the only way to stay sane) have started to see a few memes about some German Neo-Nazi in the EU parliament and an ex Aussie PM supporting Brexit. Funny enough these are being shared by the same people who said that Merkel, Obama and other non-UK politicians should keep their nose out of "our" business...
Same as people sharing the opinions of the 5% of experts that agree with their mad reasoning, who were clapping like demented seals when Gove said we shouldn't listen to experts.
Simpletons.
Here's a take that I pinched directly from a post on Fb. The tariff thing might be bullshit, I don't know and like Brexiters posting anything they like no matter how absurd it is, I am reproducing it anyway.
"Last night I was listening to radio 4 and yet another public brexit debate. One woman made a point I have never heard before which struck me as seriously overlooked. Very soon environmental tariffs are going to kick in as the crisis with emissions progresses. At this point it will no longer be economically viable to trade at distance. There will be huge pressure to trade locally, both on a national and continental scale. It will no longer be a viable position to refuse importing fruit from Spain just because we want it from Chile for political reasons. Generally speaking there has been a complete absence of environmental consideration in the debate around brexit."5 -
Yep, the Brexiters were a bunch of liars and cheats, they broke the law and we should cancel Brexit.golfaddick said:
If we don't leave the EU I will be spoiling my ballot paper for evermore.......simply writing LIARS & CHEATS every time.Callumcafc said:In a Deal vs No Deal ref, I spoil my ballot.
Well said Golfie.8
