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England Cricket Team Summer 2019 -ICC World Cup and Ashes etc

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  • The latest in a long line of batsmen - not just openers - who've done just well enough to not be dropped, but not well enough to ever be secure

    I like Denly, but he's no better than Malan for example or Ballance
    I agree with you to an extent but would just make the point that the other two you mention knew where they would bat match on match. Denly has been shunted around virtually from Day 1.
  • LenGlover said:
    I agree with you to an extent but would just make the point that the other two you mention knew where they would bat match on match. Denly has been shunted around virtually from Day 1.
    I agree, though that's partially because he hasn't scored enough runs to make the No 3 slot his own. Indeed one of the reasons Root shifted himself to 3 was because the top 3, including Denly, weren't lasting long enough...
  • Having the world cup and Ashes in the same summer should never of happened. 

    Preparation for the Ashes was poor.
  • I think Denly has shown that he deserves an extended run in the team.
  • LenGlover said:
    I agree with you to an extent but would just make the point that the other two you mention knew where they would bat match on match. Denly has been shunted around virtually from Day 1.
    I think one of the two positives that have come out of this series for England (other than Archer's appearance) is that we now have an opening partnership that we can go into the S African series with.  It looks better than any partnership we have had for a long, long time. 
  • edited September 2019
    Having the world cup and Ashes in the same summer should never of happened. 

    Preparation for the Ashes was poor.
    TBH, and i'm sure you will agree, that we have played the team with the No. 1 batsman in the world and the No. 1 bowler in the world - preparation would like have made little difference. Smith and Cummins have been ultra outstanding- and both SMith and Cummins played in the WC too.
  • TBH, and i'm sure you will agree, that we have played the team with the No. 1 batsman in the world and the No. 1 bowler in the world - preparation would like have made little difference. Smith and Cummins have been ultra outstanding- and both SMith and Cummins played in the WC too.
    Can't argue with you regarding Smith and Cummings that's for sure. 
  • I agree with all of this. I think a change of captain is needed too though 
     Walked into work just as the last ball had been bowled.
     My Aussie colleague who was just finishing wasn't very forthcoming with sympathy! Mind you, I wasn't exactly bombarding him with congrats.

    My argument that we'd won the world cup and was a little jaded didn't hold much water.

    " You pomms not capable of winning both in the same summer then mate?"

    He has a point. Convict *****!!
  • Chizz said:
    I think one of the two positives that have come out of this series for England (other than Archer's appearance) is that we now have an opening partnership that we can go into the S African series with.  It looks better than any partnership we have had for a long, long time. 
    New Zealand two test match series first
  • Would like to know how many non international red ball games out batsmen have played in last two years. 
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  • Pope, Sibley and Foakes in for Roy Buttler and Bairstow please.

    Burns
    Sibley
    Denly
    Root
    Stokes
    Pope
    Foakes
    Curran
    Archer
    Leach
    Broad

    Looks much more balanced side to me.

    Looking beyond the next match would want Cawley to make the squad. Wood, Anderson, Woakes, Stone and Moeen all in contention.

  • Can’t believe knives are still out for denly. The only specialist batsman to have shown any bottle this series. 
  • Can’t believe knives are still out for denly. The only specialist batsman to have shown any bottle this series. 
    I've kept Denly in for now as I agree he has earnt some more time. But I also would say Burns has scored some pretty tough runs this series with a century, a good 80 and a 60 odd. Hes the only opener to have any real success. And hes done it in the first innings of a test which no other england batsman has.
  • I can't agree that if we had been better prepared, it would have made little difference.
    If that is true there's no point preparing properly for anything.
  • I agree preparation wasnt right.

    I also think a fundamental  lack of direction for the test side has been a serious issue. I posted after the last test about the chopping and changing. We don't seem to have a plan. 

    The aussies have been better than us. Their bowlers have been top class. But then we re missing Jimmy Wood and stone. Take 3 out of their 6 out and suddenly they wont be the same prospect. 

    In the batting the difference has been smith who has been another level. 

    They have been the better side. They've won more sessions more days and more games. We have had opportunities to dominate but let them slip. Having them 120 odd for 8 in the first test if we had a 4th seamer we would have finished them off. 

    Lords we might have won were it not for the rain or the Roy dropped catch.

    Headingley was something special but we had been shocking for most of that game.

    It was too much to ask for another miracle to save the game today.
  • Something for Jofra to practice, won't go far wrong. 
  • In football with limited resources you choose between League and Cup. In cricket you choose between red and white ball. England chose white and won the World Cup. 

    We've had loads of good luck - umpiring decisions, misfields, super overs.

    And loads of bad luck - Anderson injured, Stokes injured, etc.

    All in all they put up a decent fight.

    But we do need better leadership on the pitch. 
  • When you aren't deliberatly being an obtuse prick you do actually talk some sense.
    Due to some crying from Chizz because he "doesn't like swearing" (?!) I retract the use of the word prick.
  • Looking beyond the Ashes, Central Contracts are due for renewal on 1st October. There will be a lot of hard decisions to be made with a number of those (in bold) potentially struggling to justify being awarded new ones:

    Test: Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), James Anderson (Lancashire), Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Sam Curran (Surrey), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Ben Stokes (Durham), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire) 

    White-ball: Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire), Eoin Morgan (Middlesex), Liam Plunkett (Surrey)  
    Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jason Roy (Surrey), Ben Stokes (Durham), David Willey (Yorkshire), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Mark Wood (Durham) 

    Increment: Jofra Archer (Sussex), Tom Curran (Surrey)

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  • Looking beyond the Ashes, Central Contracts are due for renewal on 1st October. There will be a lot of hard decisions to be made with a number of those (in bold) potentially struggling to justify being awarded new ones:

    Test: Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), James Anderson (Lancashire), Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Sam Curran (Surrey), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Ben Stokes (Durham), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire) 

    White-ball: Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire), Eoin Morgan (Middlesex), Liam Plunkett (Surrey)  
    Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jason Roy (Surrey), Ben Stokes (Durham), David Willey (Yorkshire), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire), Mark Wood (Durham) 

    Increment: Jofra Archer (Sussex), Tom Curran (Surrey)

    Plunkett was key to us winning the world cup. Agree we may look to move on now though. 

    As for wood he played every game in the world cup and was exceptional. He plays every game he's fit in all formats in my view. No way is his getting removed.
  • Plunkett was key to us winning the world cup. Agree we may look to move on now though. 

    As for wood he played every game in the world cup and was exceptional. He plays every game he's fit in all formats in my view. No way is his getting removed.
    And therein lies the problem. Giving a £1m to a player who might be injured all year. He can still be selected but will have to prove his fitness - as he would had he been centrally contracted.  He's 30 shortly and his injury issues aren't going to get any better. He hasn't even played a single match since the World Cup.

    The ECB may well give him a contract out of loyalty. But I'm willing to wager that they don't get a dozen ODIs/T20s out of him in the year commencing 1st October.
  • I think the only way Anderson doesn't get a test contract for the next year, is if he retires
  • edited September 2019
    We won the World Cup and could still level the series. Smith has been the glaring difference, but overall their bowling has been a bit better too so you can't begrudge them the Ashes. We need to bring in some new bowlers alongside Archer and look to the future.
  • There's no way Ali doesn't get at least a white-ball contract. As we've seen in recent weeks, he's a tier above the rabble 
  • We need Ali to find his best form again.
  • Got the feeling that we could be heading into another long period where England don't win the Ashes for quite a few series.
  • I feel sorry for Moen Ali

    He gets in the team on 3 attributes of his game and is selected as the spinner yet because he is a quality batsman and fielder we end up relying on him and setting high expectations for everything. Hope he takes all the time he needs away from cricket to get his head right and comes back stubborn to either bat or bowl 
  • I love Morgs. I remember being at the Grange and personally telling him he was a genius.


    But, but, but he’s Irish! 
  • I’m feeling for Root right now. 
    There are those far more qualified than I that say he had all the necessary attributes to be a great captain. 
    Just hasn’t looked comfortable at all this series. 
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