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Millwall v Charlton | Sat 9 Nov | 3pm KO | Post-match Thread
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Scored our goal, played the pass that created our two other best chances...JoshrewCAFC said:Get Leko out of this club. Doesn't fit Bowyer requirements at all. Zero effort time and time again. Weak on the ball. Never passes. Utter dross.1 -
What Leko shows though is if you shoot, it might go in.4
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Sarr could be converted into an outstanding defensive midfielder in my opinion .3
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Problem is he is an Ajose clone.Charltonparklane said:
Let's just forget his goals thoughJoshrewCAFC said:Get Leko out of this club. Doesn't fit Bowyer requirements at all. Zero effort time and time again. Weak on the ball. Never passes. Utter dross.0 -
Our set piece defending is a worry, both their goals could have been defended, and unfortunately 1 player was massively at fault for both, my other gripe/issue was our bloody slow start how can they not be up for that.2
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Leko worked harder against Derby than Ajose managed in his entire time with us.redbuttle said:
Problem is he is an Ajose clone.Charltonparklane said:
Let's just forget his goals thoughJoshrewCAFC said:Get Leko out of this club. Doesn't fit Bowyer requirements at all. Zero effort time and time again. Weak on the ball. Never passes. Utter dross.5 -
We just don't have the strength in depth.
Anyone accusing Leko of laziness obviously hasn't seen Hemed yet and the jury is out on the other Brighton Boy for me too. We have been lucky to have decent, committed loanees like Cullen, Gallagher Leko and Field pre injury. Kayal perhaps is not as motivated as those unfortunately. As far as I can tell it went Pete Tong once Kayal came on for Pratley.5 -
Spot on @ Len Glover0
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Must’ve been looking the other way when Kayal sprinted back 50 yards, rode an attempt by a Millwall player to wipe him out en route, and then made a great tackle to stop a Millwall break away in our right back area.LenGlover said:We just don't have the strength in depth.
Anyone accusing Leko of laziness obviously hasn't seen Hemed yet and the jury is out on the other Brighton Boy for me too. We have been lucky to have decent, committed loanees like Cullen, Gallagher and Field pre injury. Kayal perhaps is not as motivated as those unfortunately. As far as I can tell it went Pete Tong once Kayal came on for Pratley.9 -
Gutting result, but to try and be a bit positive we lost to two nightmare defensive lapses which hopefjlly will0
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This is going to sound mad but I liked the look of Sarr. As an opposing fan he kept Wallace quiet for large portions of the game. Without him on your left Wallace would have torn you a new one.
As soon as Lapslie came on I turned to one of my mates and said 'We'll win this. Bowyer's going for a draw. Smith will come on and do something'. Now that something was, in my eyes at the time, a towering, blatant foul, header (I haven't seen it back so can't comfirm) that caused the cup final-esque, raucous scenes that you witnessed.
A special mention must go out to the reaction at winning a corner in the latter stages of the first half that was reminiscent of winning an actual cup final
A draw would have been fair, had it not been for two world class saves from the Bart man (Phillips deserves credit for the amazing save from Thompson as well). Gallagher flattered to deceive. There's a player in there but doesn't seem as though he's got the combative side needed. If you could mould Thompson and Galllagher together then you'd have one hell of a player.
As you can see, not here to gloat, just to add a tuppenceworth from an opposing stand.30 -
Be sorted by Lee!0
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IMO, he is the first Charlton player I can remember for a while that when he gets the ball his first instinct is to turn to face goal and try to run at players, his main directive is to get you head up and run at players, he is not there as a workhorse or do doggys but literally to just try and make something for nothing.redbuttle said:
Problem is he is an Ajose clone.Charltonparklane said:
Let's just forget his goals thoughJoshrewCAFC said:Get Leko out of this club. Doesn't fit Bowyer requirements at all. Zero effort time and time again. Weak on the ball. Never passes. Utter dross.
He's had a below average couple of games but I enjoy watching.
All about opinions I spose.5 -
Also, Bonne hit one of the sweetest volleys I've ever seen. That's a goal 9 times out of 10.9
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I read today that we have had the fewest shots of any club in the whole division all season.It might fucking help if we didnt spend all fucking game passing and poncing around at the back,then back to Phillips who punts it back upfield only for the oppo defence to win it coz Bonne is too fucking small, then for the opposing team to just pass the fucking ball forwards and put us under pressure- remember that ? passing forward ?7
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Our throw ins were dog turd today, we really need to sort them out as we kept losing possession from them, sometimes in dangerous positions
I queried this last week, but I'm still slightly puzzled by our formation and whether it's always 3 at the back with wing backs, or sometimes more of a 4 with Sarr at LB and Purrington LM. Matthews, the right wing back took all the throws on his side BUT Sarr took most (all?) of the throws on the left hand side, and not Purrington who you'd expect to if he was left wing back.4 -
Leuth just found his new bestie.Big_Bad_World said:This is going to sound mad but I liked the look of Sarr. As an opposing fan he kept Wallace quiet for large portions of the game. Without him on your left Wallace would have torn you a new one.
As soon as Lapslie came on I turned to one of my mates and said 'We'll win this. Bowyer's going for a draw. Smith will come on and do something'. Now that something was, in my eyes at the time, a towering, blatant foul, header (I haven't seen it back so can't comfirm) that caused the cup final-esque, raucous scenes that you witnessed.
A special mention must go out to the reaction at winning a corner in the latter stages of the first half that was reminiscent of winning an actual cup final
A draw would have been fair, had it not been for two world class saves from the Bart man (Phillips deserves credit for the amazing save from Thompson as well). Gallagher flattered to deceive. There's a player in there but doesn't seem as though he's got the combative side needed. If you could mould Thompson and Galllagher together then you'd have one hell of a player.
As you can see, not here to gloat, just to add a tuppenceworth from an opposing stand.12 -
Something that stands out to me is the quality of crosses from full backs and wide players, it's shit bar Caskey.
Below waist height or looped up 30ft in the air, can't nobody whip a cross in.
This particularly aimed at Purrington, Solly, Leko, Cullen, and from the little I've seen, Kayal1 -
Matthews can and did. Agree others not so good.Charltonparklane said:Something that stands out to me is the quality of crosses from full backs and wide players, it's shit bar Caskey.
Below waist height or looped up 30ft in the air, can't nobody whip a cross in.
This particularly aimed at Purrington, Solly, Leko, Cullen, and from the little I've seen, Kayal0 -
Look, it's not something I want or aspire to....trust me.Talal said:
Leuth just found his new bestie.Big_Bad_World said:This is going to sound mad but I liked the look of Sarr. As an opposing fan he kept Wallace quiet for large portions of the game. Without him on your left Wallace would have torn you a new one.
As soon as Lapslie came on I turned to one of my mates and said 'We'll win this. Bowyer's going for a draw. Smith will come on and do something'. Now that something was, in my eyes at the time, a towering, blatant foul, header (I haven't seen it back so can't comfirm) that caused the cup final-esque, raucous scenes that you witnessed.
A special mention must go out to the reaction at winning a corner in the latter stages of the first half that was reminiscent of winning an actual cup final
A draw would have been fair, had it not been for two world class saves from the Bart man (Phillips deserves credit for the amazing save from Thompson as well). Gallagher flattered to deceive. There's a player in there but doesn't seem as though he's got the combative side needed. If you could mould Thompson and Galllagher together then you'd have one hell of a player.
As you can see, not here to gloat, just to add a tuppenceworth from an opposing stand.
That said, I think he's (Sarr) taking a lot of unnecessary sh*t. He prevented far more than he ballsed up. Without him I'd have had us up by 2/3 before you scored.9 -
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I could be very wrong, but I don't think West Ham fancy him, and not just Pellegrini. They have deluded themselves into thinking they are a Big Club. So I could imagine they'd take £2m. Wages, well, it looks to me like he loves being here. So rather like Williams, he might accept less than what his agent says is his market value, especially if he has the feeling a new owner is serious. I mean if you were Josh Cullen, wouldn't you think Wembley last May was the best day of your career, and wouldn't you love the idea that you could do that all again, but one level higher? Wouldn't that be better than hoping to be on the subs bench at that athletics stadium, being slagged off by Spanner-lites? I have the impression that he would opt for us in a heartbeat.Cafc43v3r said:
Brilliant post, one question, if I may. A "decent owner" buys Cullen in January. What would a decent owner pay for him and how much would he want in wages?PragueAddick said:Watched on Valley Pass. My neighbour wanted to fly over to London with me to be there, and couldn't quite understand why I resisted. Best decision I made this year, cos i was tempted, when Lyle was fit and we were tearing into good teams.
They way I see it, first 20 the "old" Charlton returned, then we gradually got a grip and looked the better side at the interval whistle. When we equalised, I thought we might have them by the throat but to my surprise and concern we started to sit back. It was worrying that not everybody knew the script, there was a moment when Pearce went forward, and stayed there, yet nobody got the ball up towards the box where he was waiting.
I hate to slag off players, and I think there is a good player in Naby, but he was 100% at fault for the 2nd goal, and probably the first too. I've slowly learnt over the years that the difference between top flight footballers and the rest is not so much talent, but consistency.He did a lot of good things in the game, but he didn't at times do the basics that his team mates depend on him to do. If you want to succeed in Britain then you are going to face big lumps like Stockley and Smith (and btw, who here would not like to see Stockley, at least, in our squad?). So when that big lump has just come on and they have a corner you know your job. He failed to do it. We lost. Never a foul. And I'm not superstitious nor religious, and I always lose bets, but come that corner I just knew they were going to score. I am not sure they "wanted it more" but we had invited them to believe by surrendering the initiative when Pratley went off. He was a great performer again today, and I also thought Matthews looked pretty decent considering his lack of game time.
I think we'll be OK. I don't think that West Ham will recall Cullen. For the moment at least, this is his level. If we had a decent owner, we'd buy him in Jan. He too is inconsistent at times in the game (though nowhere near like Naby). But he will get better, and nobody wanted to win today more than him.
Shit. Roland Out.
Could the club afford it? If not that's not decent is it? That's reckless?2 -
Who was the utter bellend that was dancing around in your crowd near our West Stand? Looked like an older gentleman that came in with a flag and took the stairs by storm
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Yes agreed, he whipped one cross in today which caused a problem, hence not mentioning him.Talal said:
Matthews can and did. Agree others not so good.Charltonparklane said:Something that stands out to me is the quality of crosses from full backs and wide players, it's shit bar Caskey.
Below waist height or looped up 30ft in the air, can't nobody whip a cross in.
This particularly aimed at Purrington, Solly, Leko, Cullen, and from the little I've seen, Kayal
This in my opinion is a massive weakness against other teams at this level who all seem to have 3 or 4 players on the pitch with this fairly easy to do part of the game.0 -
As much as I hate to say it, Bowyer got it wrong today. Probably already been said but at 1-1 Millwall were there for the taking and Bowyer takes off Leko (who granted didn’t have his best game) for Lapslie. If he was going to take off Leko he should have bought on Oztumer. As BBW said, Bowyer was clearly setting up for a draw, which was way too negative. I also think taking Pratley off was the wrong idea, as Gallagher Cullen and Pratley began to control the game. Although had Pratley have stayed on the pitch and got a second yellow, I would probably be saying Bowyer was stupid not to sub him. Hindsight is a wonderful thing I guess. Hopefully we have Taylor back after the international break and we can try and regain a bit of form1
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Disagree about Sarr, I thought he was pony.Big_Bad_World said:This is going to sound mad but I liked the look of Sarr. As an opposing fan he kept Wallace quiet for large portions of the game. Without him on your left Wallace would have torn you a new one.
As soon as Lapslie came on I turned to one of my mates and said 'We'll win this. Bowyer's going for a draw. Smith will come on and do something'. Now that something was, in my eyes at the time, a towering, blatant foul, header (I haven't seen it back so can't comfirm) that caused the cup final-esque, raucous scenes that you witnessed.
A special mention must go out to the reaction at winning a corner in the latter stages of the first half that was reminiscent of winning an actual cup final
A draw would have been fair, had it not been for two world class saves from the Bart man (Phillips deserves credit for the amazing save from Thompson as well). Gallagher flattered to deceive. There's a player in there but doesn't seem as though he's got the combative side needed. If you could mould Thompson and Galllagher together then you'd have one hell of a player.
As you can see, not here to gloat, just to add a tuppenceworth from an opposing stand.Agree a draw would’ve been a fair result 100%Didn’t have your faith that we’d get something. For the last twenty minutes I kept saying I’d take a draw now. I thought Charlton looked dangerous on the break with Gallagher picking out some nice passes, mainly to their right wing. My son though kept saying , no dad we’ve got this, we’re going to nick it in the last minute. He called that right.Also noticed that reaction to them winning that corner and mentioned it to my dad. Very surreal, never heard a cheer like for winning a corner!7 -
I didn't think Pratley looked like getting a second yellow anyway, it's not as if the game was full of needle or last ditch tackles.JoshAddick said:As much as I hate to say it, Bowyer got it wrong today. Probably already been said but at 1-1 Millwall were there for the taking and Bowyer takes off Leko (who granted didn’t have his best game) for Lapslie. If he was going to take off Leko he should have bought on Oztumer. As BBW said, Bowyer was clearly setting up for a draw, which was way too negative. I also think taking Pratley off was the wrong idea, as Gallagher Cullen and Pratley began to control the game. Although had Pratley have stayed on the pitch and got a second yellow, I would probably be saying Bowyer was stupid not to sub him. Hindsight is a wonderful thing I guess. Hopefully we have Taylor back after the international break and we can try and regain a bit of form
In fact for the local derby, it's surprising how passive the games often have been in recent years on the pitch.0 -
Exactly.Big_Bad_World said:This is going to sound mad but I liked the look of Sarr. As an opposing fan he kept Wallace quiet for large portions of the game. Without him on your left Wallace would have torn you a new one.
As soon as Lapslie came on I turned to one of my mates and said 'We'll win this. Bowyer's going for a draw. Smith will come on and do something'. Now that something was, in my eyes at the time, a towering, blatant foul, header (I haven't seen it back so can't comfirm) that caused the cup final-esque, raucous scenes that you witnessed.
A special mention must go out to the reaction at winning a corner in the latter stages of the first half that was reminiscent of winning an actual cup final
A draw would have been fair, had it not been for two world class saves from the Bart man (Phillips deserves credit for the amazing save from Thompson as well). Gallagher flattered to deceive. There's a player in there but doesn't seem as though he's got the combative side needed. If you could mould Thompson and Galllagher together then you'd have one hell of a player.
As you can see, not here to gloat, just to add a tuppenceworth from an opposing stand.Once again, I love Bowyer, the things he’s done is almost miracle. But, there has been criticism creeping in lately. The Bristol City tactics late on, the Preston game inability to deal with their direct play and today’s subs. Undoubtedly the lack of financial support and injury’s make make a massive dent in a mans ability to do his job, but that’s why I brought up to interview comments. Feel like recently he isn’t being honest enough with himself. If he thought we were the better team for large parts of the game then not only does the team and fans need a reality check, but he does as well.12 -
Exactly, Leko didn't want to know, he didn't want the ball, he either stood still or moved away and as you said he had his head down looking at the ground. Credit to him for scoring but you need 11 players giving their all and we had 9 plus Sarr & Leko.cabbles said:
For me mate, he just looked disinterested, particularly in the first half. He’s only young, but he’s been fading fast since his start. Got all the time in the world to turn it round, hope he does, but we needed every single one of them on it today. Head down and static doesn’t do it for me, regardless of the goal. Unfair on the likes of Philips etc as well who did want itJoshAddick said:Why the Leko hate? Didn’t have his greatest game but there were worse players on the pitch. If Sarr didn’t cock up twice Leko would be a Charlton legend right now1 -
You know more about horses so I'll take a back seat on that oneMillwallFan said:
Disagree about Sarr, I thought he was pony.Big_Bad_World said:This is going to sound mad but I liked the look of Sarr. As an opposing fan he kept Wallace quiet for large portions of the game. Without him on your left Wallace would have torn you a new one.
As soon as Lapslie came on I turned to one of my mates and said 'We'll win this. Bowyer's going for a draw. Smith will come on and do something'. Now that something was, in my eyes at the time, a towering, blatant foul, header (I haven't seen it back so can't comfirm) that caused the cup final-esque, raucous scenes that you witnessed.
A special mention must go out to the reaction at winning a corner in the latter stages of the first half that was reminiscent of winning an actual cup final
A draw would have been fair, had it not been for two world class saves from the Bart man (Phillips deserves credit for the amazing save from Thompson as well). Gallagher flattered to deceive. There's a player in there but doesn't seem as though he's got the combative side needed. If you could mould Thompson and Galllagher together then you'd have one hell of a player.
As you can see, not here to gloat, just to add a tuppenceworth from an opposing stand.Agree a draw would’ve been a fair result 100%Didn’t have your faith that we’d get something. For the last twenty minutes I kept saying I’d take a draw now. I thought Charlton looked dangerous on the break with Gallagher picking out some nice passes, mainly to their right wing. My son though kept saying , no dad we’ve got this, we’re going to nick it in the last minute. He called that right.Also noticed that reaction to them winning that corner and mentioned it to my dad. Very surreal, never heard a cheer like for winning a corner!
Re Gallagher, I agree. He looked a decent player but seemed to lack bite. He was easily snuffed out in the first half but started to come in to his own in the first half hour of the 2nd half when we sat back and stopped pressing.
Genuinely thought we were going to lose until Bowyer pulled a masterstroke by bringing Lapslie on for Leko.
Rowett saw that, reacted, threw the dice, and came up trumps.
Bart saved us, though. Unbelievable saves.2 -
Just in, so predictable, unless injured why bring Pratley off, I thought he was immense today, sat in the home end and they were all very happy when he was taken off, when Matt Smith came on they were convinced they would win from a late set piece and when the corner was given cheered like a goal,
they knew, we knew and Naby Sarr watched as the 3 points went where they always go...queue F*cking Status Quo and the only advantage being able to get away from the ground pronto and into a pub sharpish to drown our sorrows.
Fairplay to the support again, we were in Block 6 Barry Kitchener close to the home end and you could hear Charlton throughout, commented on by all around and only the monosyllabic Millll...... and an injury time winner blocked them out.
Onto Luton
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