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The rise of the vegans.
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Anny
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/gadhimai-hindu-festival-largest-animal-sacrifice-nepal-india-buffalo-a9230786.html
You off to the Indian sub-continent to put a stop to this, or are you happy to offer keyboard support to those disrupting a country with one of the highest standards of animal welfare in the world?
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Surely all animal husbandry that ends with the animal being killed is the same standard of animal welfare wherever it happens in the world? The key equalising factor being that they get killed.
I suspect the standards applied in the UK to animal husbandry before slaughter are related to reassuring the end consumer more than reassuring any animal.
I accept the concept of 'natural state' is nuanced and debatable, but the rearing of animals for slaughter does not seem to me to be the animals in their natural state, so wherever it happens in the world animals are similarly constrained and I don't see the point of making comparisons.
They live, they get killed, their bodies get used wherever it happens.
Maybe in the UK each chicken has an hour with a padre before death to ease things along.1 -
i hope not, i'm not eating molested chicken!seth plum said:Surely all animal husbandry that ends with the animal being killed is the same standard of animal welfare wherever it happens in the world? The key equalising factor being that they get killed.
I suspect the standards applied in the UK to animal husbandry before slaughter are related to reassuring the end consumer more than reassuring any animal.
I accept the concept of 'natural state' is nuanced and debatable, but the rearing of animals for slaughter does not seem to me to be the animals in their natural state, so wherever it happens in the world animals are similarly constrained and I don't see the point of making comparisons.
They live, they get killed, their bodies get used wherever it happens.
Maybe in the UK each chicken has an hour with a padre before death to ease things along.6 -
You might think that, but sorry to say you are wrong.seth plum said:Surely all animal husbandry that ends with the animal being killed is the same standard of animal welfare wherever it happens in the world? The key equalising factor being that they get killed.
I suspect the standards applied in the UK to animal husbandry before slaughter are related to reassuring the end consumer more than reassuring any animal.
Educate yourself in reality by spending some time on a pastoral farm.
If you think it’s equivalent to mass farming in Asia, Africa or the Middle East then I feel sorry for you.1 -
The equivalence is animals raised for slaughter is it not?
Do pastoral farms offer their animals everlasting life or something?
You speculate as to what I think, and on the basis of your speculation you feel sorry for me.
Feel sorry for something real, not something you imagine.0 -
It's hardly something imagined when you literally posted about it an hour before his comment.seth plum said:The equivalence is animals raised for slaughter is it not?
Do pastoral farms offer their animals everlasting life or something?
You speculate as to what I think, and on the basis of your speculation you feel sorry for me.
Feel sorry for something real, not something you imagine.
The idea that torturing an animal is no worse than not torturing an animal if the end result is the animal being killed is an odd one.2 -
You are mistaken. Read the words actually written if you need to clear it up.Stu_of_Kunming said:
It's hardly something imagined when you literally posted about it an hour before his comment.seth plum said:The equivalence is animals raised for slaughter is it not?
Do pastoral farms offer their animals everlasting life or something?
You speculate as to what I think, and on the basis of your speculation you feel sorry for me.
Feel sorry for something real, not something you imagine.
The idea that torturing an animal is no worse than not torturing an animal if the end result is the animal being killed is an odd one.
I have not referenced torturing an animal either.0 -
Surely all animal husbandry that ends with the animal being killed is the same standard of animal welfare wherever it happens in the world? The key equalising factor being that they get killed.
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'The key equalising factor.'0
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Exactly, my point is there's no equalising factor, clearly one is far worse than the other.
MrWalker pointed that out, you told him he'd speculated/imagined something when it was exactly what you'd said.2 - Sponsored links:
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Ooops....wrong thread. Now deleted.0
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Animal Aid's Christmas Festival takes place this Sunday at Kensington Town Hall, Hornton Street.
Food and drink, gifts, informative talks and lots of information about veganism. Entry £3.00
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mmmm chocolate....0
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I'm giving Veganuary a try in 2020, can anyone share a typical shopping list?0
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A lot of this stuff is overkill for Veganuary (how much agave are you going to get through in a month), but:Is good
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I'm considering veganuary too, interested in how it makes me feel.
My question is work lunches...any suggestions? I have limited time for meal prep at night.1 -
salad with cashew nuts and drizzle some olive oil and balsamic vinegar on it.Super_Eddie_Youds said:I'm considering veganuary too, interested in how it makes me feel.
My question is work lunches...any suggestions? I have limited time for meal prep at night.
One thing I'll say is be wary of trying to go mad and do full vegan straight away3 -
Thanks, I'm eating veggie 70-80% of the time anyway so shouldn't be an issue. It's the unnecessary sandwich that will really cause the issue.Carter said:
salad with cashew nuts and drizzle some olive oil and balsamic vinegar on it.Super_Eddie_Youds said:I'm considering veganuary too, interested in how it makes me feel.
My question is work lunches...any suggestions? I have limited time for meal prep at night.
One thing I'll say is be wary of trying to go mad and do full vegan straight away
Do you mean because your body won't like it, or because it's tough to change menu?0 -
No your body will be fine mate, your digestive health will certainly improve immediately. It's more the aggro of discovering things previously seemingly innocently free of animal products are off menu.Super_Eddie_Youds said:
Thanks, I'm eating veggie 70-80% of the time anyway so shouldn't be an issue. It's the unnecessary sandwich that will really cause the issue.Carter said:
salad with cashew nuts and drizzle some olive oil and balsamic vinegar on it.Super_Eddie_Youds said:I'm considering veganuary too, interested in how it makes me feel.
My question is work lunches...any suggestions? I have limited time for meal prep at night.
One thing I'll say is be wary of trying to go mad and do full vegan straight away
Do you mean because your body won't like it, or because it's tough to change menu?
On the plus side most supermarkets have cottoned on to the money to be made from vegans so plenty of choice. Just a bit more dicking about looking at labels1 - Sponsored links:
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Super_Eddie_Youds said:I'm considering veganuary too, interested in how it makes me feel.
My question is work lunches...any suggestions? I have limited time for meal prep at night.
I'm currently eating vegetable soup with a bread roll
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Interesting discussion in our house last night.
Eldest son: I'm thinking of going vegan.
Mrs Stig: You can't do that.
Eldest: Why not?
MS: You need your proteins, you're a growing lad.
Eldest: I'm 25
MS Well, you still need proteins.
Eldest: That's exactly what nan says about you being a vegetarian, isn't it?
MS: Hmmm.1 -
first of all, you'll need a really REALLY high horseDazzler21 said:I'm giving Veganuary a try in 2020, can anyone share a typical shopping list?14 -
An entire pack of oreosSuper_Eddie_Youds said:I'm considering veganuary too, interested in how it makes me feel.
My question is work lunches...any suggestions? I have limited time for meal prep at night.2 -
Takes ages to prepare a vegan cheese and tomato roll.Super_Eddie_Youds said:I'm considering veganuary too, interested in how it makes me feel.
My question is work lunches...any suggestions? I have limited time for meal prep at night.0 -
I find that having copious amounts of pre-prepared vegetable stock opens up many avenues. Especially with grains and pulses as they are, generally speaking, a bit bland if they've only interacted with water. Also, gravy makes everything better (gravy produced from aforementioned stock, of course).2
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I work with a guy whose wife decided they were going vegan earlier this year, they really struggled at first but they were trying to make vegan versions of their favourite dishes and he reckons part of the struggle was that the vegan dish was never going to taste the same. once they started cooking new things and using it as an opportunity to learn new things he reckons it became a lot easier.Super_Eddie_Youds said:I'm considering veganuary too, interested in how it makes me feel.
My question is work lunches...any suggestions? I have limited time for meal prep at night.
basically embrace it and use it as an opportunity to add some dishes to your repertoire1 -
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