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Is the season going to finish? (ed. Pg.53 - 3 players not returned to training)
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my point is that player can move on BUT the football authorities should prevent him playing for his new club for the rest of this season .. read this comment on the law regarding restrictive practices/covenants.msomerton said:The player contract situation is not as such regulated by FIFA but by English law. If your contract is to June the 30th then you are free to move on then as you like. If the club want you to stay to finish the season then you have to agree to it and I do not expect any footballer will do that for free.msomerton said:The player contract situation is not as such regulated by FIFA but by English law. If your contract is to June the 30th then you are free to move on then as you like. If the club want you to stay to finish the season then you have to agree to it and I do not expect any footballer will do that for free.
'The principle renders a contractual term purporting to restrict an individual's freedom to work for others or carry out his trade or business (a restrictive covenant) void unless it is designed to protect legitimate business interests and no wider than reasonably necessary.' .. unquote
I'd argue that a player changing clubs and being prevented from playing for the new club during a part of the season when this was not usual, would be to protect legitimate business interests .. (This really belongs on the other thread)
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Lincsaddick said:Too much is at stake to either abandon or curtail the season .. as has been said above, 2 games a week behind closed doors in mid/late summer is most likely, with next season starting a month late. Remember the Euros are inked in for next summer, so I would not be surprised if all the cups, league, FA etc. etc. are abandoned next season.
The issue will be the players fitness and the much discussed contractual situations. The FA/UEFA/FIFA must not allow any players moving clubs after their contracts expire on June 30th to play for any other club until this season is resolved. Fitness ? .. be prepared for lot of sub standard performances and some dodgy, rusty teamworkPlay it to a finish, even if it means waiting until a certain amount of fans can be admitted. The 20/21 season is going to be seriously affected to just conclude this one.The sweaties f***** it right up, that cannot be replicated.1 -
Dont forget the players will have to keep two metres apart till the social distancing stops5
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posted and only skim read so apologies if I’ve copied someone etc
the efl will push for all games to be played behind closed doors with games on tv, on line.
the issue is, what happens if both of a teams senior goalkeepers get the virus the day before a 6 pointer?0 -
Our defence has been doing that all year at set piecesclb74 said:Dont forget the players will have to keep two metres apart till the social distancing stops10 -
a real issue ? .. then all the players who have been 'in contact' with the keepers would be put in isolation and the game would be postponed until all the players, including the keepers were clear .. OR, a keeper could be loaned under the emergency loan rulesTodds_right_hook said:posted and only skim read so apologies if I’ve copied someone etc
the efl will push for all games to be played behind closed doors with games on tv, on line.
the issue is, what happens if both of a teams senior goalkeepers get the virus the day before a 6 pointer?
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UEFA have said that they are looking at changing the transfer windows, and none will open until all league seasons are finished. I believe I read that they were looking at things ending by Aug 31st (Champions League final) and new transfer window opening after that.Lincsaddick said:
my point is that player can move on BUT the football authorities should prevent him playing for his new club for the rest of this season .. read this comment on the law regarding restrictive practices/covenants.msomerton said:The player contract situation is not as such regulated by FIFA but by English law. If your contract is to June the 30th then you are free to move on then as you like. If the club want you to stay to finish the season then you have to agree to it and I do not expect any footballer will do that for free.msomerton said:The player contract situation is not as such regulated by FIFA but by English law. If your contract is to June the 30th then you are free to move on then as you like. If the club want you to stay to finish the season then you have to agree to it and I do not expect any footballer will do that for free.
'The principle renders a contractual term purporting to restrict an individual's freedom to work for others or carry out his trade or business (a restrictive covenant) void unless it is designed to protect legitimate business interests and no wider than reasonably necessary.' .. unquote
I'd argue that a player changing clubs and being prevented from playing for the new club during a part of the season when this was not usual, would be to protect legitimate business interests .. (This really belongs on the other thread)
Therefore, taking Lyle Taylor as an example, he wouldn't be able to join a new club until Sept 1st at the earliest. Thats 3 months without being paid.
I'm pretty sure the EFL via UEFA will put something in place that says ALL football contracts are extended by 2 months.1 -
we're well prepared for that, been doing it since septemberLincsaddick said:Too much is at stake to either abandon or curtail the season .. as has been said above, 2 games a week behind closed doors in mid/late summer is most likely, with next season starting a month late. Remember the Euros are inked in for next summer, so I would not be surprised if all the cups, league, FA etc. etc. are abandoned next season.
The issue will be the players fitness and the much discussed contractual situations. The FA/UEFA/FIFA must not allow any players moving clubs after their contracts expire on June 30th to play for any other club until this season is resolved. Fitness ? .. be prepared for lot of sub standard performances and some dodgy, rusty teamwork1 -
Season should be voided now, but every team starts next season with the points they have at the moment (adjusted for points per game average for teams that have games in hand).4
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Trouble is, of a player is leaving the championship on wages of 4k and heading to the Premier league on 30k they will probably happily sit out the remaining fixtures.Lincsaddick said:
my point is that player can move on BUT the football authorities should prevent him playing for his new club for the rest of this season .. read this comment on the law regarding restrictive practices/covenants.msomerton said:The player contract situation is not as such regulated by FIFA but by English law. If your contract is to June the 30th then you are free to move on then as you like. If the club want you to stay to finish the season then you have to agree to it and I do not expect any footballer will do that for free.msomerton said:The player contract situation is not as such regulated by FIFA but by English law. If your contract is to June the 30th then you are free to move on then as you like. If the club want you to stay to finish the season then you have to agree to it and I do not expect any footballer will do that for free.
'The principle renders a contractual term purporting to restrict an individual's freedom to work for others or carry out his trade or business (a restrictive covenant) void unless it is designed to protect legitimate business interests and no wider than reasonably necessary.' .. unquote
I'd argue that a player changing clubs and being prevented from playing for the new club during a part of the season when this was not usual, would be to protect legitimate business interests .. (This really belongs on the other thread)0 - Sponsored links:
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Can anyone, hand on heart, seriously believe that if they played games behind closed doors live on tv that some fans wouldn’t attend anyway?
Absolutely ridiculous to think football is bigger than this pandemic and has to be finished.
The players/staff safety has to be paramount imo & this cannot be guaranteed.
Until it’s safe, no sport should resume. And when it is. Start from scratch.12 -
some good points .. there is of course, absolutely no guarantee that the pandemic will be over by mid/late summer .. all our suppositions about finishing the season depend on the 'all clear' being given by then .. there might well come a time when the season must be abandoned .. only time will tell (who wrote that ?) ((:>)KBslittlesis said:Can anyone, hand on heart, seriously believe that if they played games behind closed doors live on tv that some fans wouldn’t attend anyway?
Absolutely ridiculous to think football is bigger than this pandemic and has to be finished.
The players/staff safety has to be paramount imo & this cannot be guaranteed.
Until it’s safe, no sport should resume. And when it is. Start from scratch.
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Just listened to Bowyers interview last night. I think he is right. I dont think the season can end......certainly not in any meaningful way. Nothing else than a simple null & void.
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read @golfaddick's comments above .. but if your scenario comes to pass, then so be itshine166 said:
Trouble is, of a player is leaving the championship on wages of 4k and heading to the Premier league on 30k they will probably happily sit out the remaining fixtures.Lincsaddick said:
my point is that player can move on BUT the football authorities should prevent him playing for his new club for the rest of this season .. read this comment on the law regarding restrictive practices/covenants.msomerton said:The player contract situation is not as such regulated by FIFA but by English law. If your contract is to June the 30th then you are free to move on then as you like. If the club want you to stay to finish the season then you have to agree to it and I do not expect any footballer will do that for free.msomerton said:The player contract situation is not as such regulated by FIFA but by English law. If your contract is to June the 30th then you are free to move on then as you like. If the club want you to stay to finish the season then you have to agree to it and I do not expect any footballer will do that for free.
'The principle renders a contractual term purporting to restrict an individual's freedom to work for others or carry out his trade or business (a restrictive covenant) void unless it is designed to protect legitimate business interests and no wider than reasonably necessary.' .. unquote
I'd argue that a player changing clubs and being prevented from playing for the new club during a part of the season when this was not usual, would be to protect legitimate business interests .. (This really belongs on the other thread)
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But the first team keeper would have already been contact with the rest of the team a day or two before and hypothetically already passed it on.Lincsaddick said:
a real issue ? .. then all the players who have been 'in contact' with the keepers would be put in isolation and the game would be postponed until all the players, including the keepers were clear .. OR, a keeper could be loaned under the emergency loan rulesTodds_right_hook said:posted and only skim read so apologies if I’ve copied someone etc
the efl will push for all games to be played behind closed doors with games on tv, on line.
the issue is, what happens if both of a teams senior goalkeepers get the virus the day before a 6 pointer?
It's all about testing the players and then isolating them together. I dont think it would be good PR to 'waste' these tests so football matches can be played. Other medical resources would be needed too.
Its possible that when the antibody test is ready and its proven you can only get the virus once teams will be ready to compete again (providing players test positive). I'm not a specialist, but I think this will happen before we get the vaccine.
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good pointsPopIcon said:
But the first team keeper would have already been contact with the rest of the team a day or two before and hypothetically already passed it on.Lincsaddick said:
a real issue ? .. then all the players who have been 'in contact' with the keepers would be put in isolation and the game would be postponed until all the players, including the keepers were clear .. OR, a keeper could be loaned under the emergency loan rulesTodds_right_hook said:posted and only skim read so apologies if I’ve copied someone etc
the efl will push for all games to be played behind closed doors with games on tv, on line.
the issue is, what happens if both of a teams senior goalkeepers get the virus the day before a 6 pointer?
It's all about testing the players and then isolating them together. I dont think it would be good PR to 'waste' these tests so football matches can be played. Other medical resources would be needed too.
Its possible that when the antibody test is ready and its proven you can only get the virus once teams will be ready to compete again (providing players test positive). I'm not a specialist, but I think this will happen before we get the vaccine.
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null and void the season ? .. this might well happen as a last measure .. BUT, can you imagine the reaction at (say) Leeds United .. struggling for years to get back into the top league, being in a promotion spot then having it dashed from their proverbial hands by an FA (or whoever's) decree ? .. they would be in court hours after such a decision looking for some kind of recompense or to attempt to overturn the 'null and void' decision.Just listened to Bowyers interview last night. I think he is right. I dont think the season can end......certainly not in any meaningful way. Nothing else than a simple null & void.
Also, Bowyer is of course biased. He knows that relegation for us is a BIG BIG and desperate possibility if/when the season resumes. But who can blame him, certainly not me
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Tbh I don't think it will or should finish, medics and OB have better things to be doing at a time like this than being present at a football match.Lincsaddick said:
read @golfaddick's comments above .. but if your scenario comes to pass, then so be itshine166 said:
Trouble is, of a player is leaving the championship on wages of 4k and heading to the Premier league on 30k they will probably happily sit out the remaining fixtures.Lincsaddick said:
my point is that player can move on BUT the football authorities should prevent him playing for his new club for the rest of this season .. read this comment on the law regarding restrictive practices/covenants.msomerton said:The player contract situation is not as such regulated by FIFA but by English law. If your contract is to June the 30th then you are free to move on then as you like. If the club want you to stay to finish the season then you have to agree to it and I do not expect any footballer will do that for free.msomerton said:The player contract situation is not as such regulated by FIFA but by English law. If your contract is to June the 30th then you are free to move on then as you like. If the club want you to stay to finish the season then you have to agree to it and I do not expect any footballer will do that for free.
'The principle renders a contractual term purporting to restrict an individual's freedom to work for others or carry out his trade or business (a restrictive covenant) void unless it is designed to protect legitimate business interests and no wider than reasonably necessary.' .. unquote
I'd argue that a player changing clubs and being prevented from playing for the new club during a part of the season when this was not usual, would be to protect legitimate business interests .. (This really belongs on the other thread)8 -
Squads absolutely must remain the same as before for the season to be completed satisfactorily. Will be a farce if not.1
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In the overall run of things it’s of little consequence but in the ever more likely event that the season can’t be finished in any way with a crowd present, will we get refunds for the portion of our season tickets that will be unfulfilled I wonder?2
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Yeah I've thought this - Certainly think it would be one of the better ideasse9addick said:Season should be voided now, but every team starts next season with the points they have at the moment (adjusted for points per game average for teams that have games in hand).0 -
So?Lincsaddick said:
null and void the season ? .. this might well happen as a last measure .. BUT, can you imagine the reaction at (say) Leeds United .. struggling for years to get back into the top league, being in a promotion spot then having it dashed from their proverbial hands by an FA (or whoever's) decree ? .. they would be in court hours after such a decision looking for some kind of recompense or to attempt to overturn the 'null and void' decision.Just listened to Bowyers interview last night. I think he is right. I dont think the season can end......certainly not in any meaningful way. Nothing else than a simple null & void.
Also, Bowyer is of course biased. He knows that relegation for us is a BIG BIG and desperate possibility if/when the season resumes. But who can blame him, certainly not me
These are extraordinary times.
Lives are at stake.
Why on earth should winning a league title or earning promotion matter in these circumstances?
No sport is that important and I’m a total sport nut.
And I’m not saying this just because of the position we’re in. As I believe we’ll end up being deducted points with all the nonsense that’s gone on behind the scenes, that’s if we still have a club to support.
And if any club thinks about going to court over it, they soon find out it’ll be a massive own goal.7 -
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Regardless of all the obvious problems with hosting the matches, the integrity of the league disappears if clubs do not finish the season with the full squad they ended the last transfer window with. Given that loans will be unlikely to be extended and contracts will end, this renders the entire thing unviable.0
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By now, If money was not involved, the season would have been squashed with a null and void decision.
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agreed, BUT the whole supposition is that the season restarts when the all clear or a very near all clear is given. It would be madness to restart until this is the case.shine166 said:
Tbh I don't think it will or should finish, medics and OB have better things to be doing at a time like this than being present at a football match.Lincsaddick said:
read @golfaddick's comments above .. but if your scenario comes to pass, then so be itshine166 said:
Trouble is, of a player is leaving the championship on wages of 4k and heading to the Premier league on 30k they will probably happily sit out the remaining fixtures.Lincsaddick said:
my point is that player can move on BUT the football authorities should prevent him playing for his new club for the rest of this season .. read this comment on the law regarding restrictive practices/covenants.msomerton said:The player contract situation is not as such regulated by FIFA but by English law. If your contract is to June the 30th then you are free to move on then as you like. If the club want you to stay to finish the season then you have to agree to it and I do not expect any footballer will do that for free.msomerton said:The player contract situation is not as such regulated by FIFA but by English law. If your contract is to June the 30th then you are free to move on then as you like. If the club want you to stay to finish the season then you have to agree to it and I do not expect any footballer will do that for free.
'The principle renders a contractual term purporting to restrict an individual's freedom to work for others or carry out his trade or business (a restrictive covenant) void unless it is designed to protect legitimate business interests and no wider than reasonably necessary.' .. unquote
I'd argue that a player changing clubs and being prevented from playing for the new club during a part of the season when this was not usual, would be to protect legitimate business interests .. (This really belongs on the other thread)KBslittlesis said:
So?Lincsaddick said:
null and void the season ? .. this might well happen as a last measure .. BUT, can you imagine the reaction at (say) Leeds United .. struggling for years to get back into the top league, being in a promotion spot then having it dashed from their proverbial hands by an FA (or whoever's) decree ? .. they would be in court hours after such a decision looking for some kind of recompense or to attempt to overturn the 'null and void' decision.Just listened to Bowyers interview last night. I think he is right. I dont think the season can end......certainly not in any meaningful way. Nothing else than a simple null & void.
Also, Bowyer is of course biased. He knows that relegation for us is a BIG BIG and desperate possibility if/when the season resumes. But who can blame him, certainly not me
These are extraordinary times.
Lives are at stake.
Why on earth should winning a league title or earning promotion matter in these circumstances?
No sport is that important and I’m a total sport nut.
And I’m not saying this just because of the position we’re in. As I believe we’ll end up being deducted points with all the nonsense that’s gone on behind the scenes, that’s if we still have a club to support.
And if any club thinks about going to court over it, they soon find out it’ll be a massive own goal.KBslittlesis said:
So?Lincsaddick said:
null and void the season ? .. this might well happen as a last measure .. BUT, can you imagine the reaction at (say) Leeds United .. struggling for years to get back into the top league, being in a promotion spot then having it dashed from their proverbial hands by an FA (or whoever's) decree ? .. they would be in court hours after such a decision looking for some kind of recompense or to attempt to overturn the 'null and void' decision.Just listened to Bowyers interview last night. I think he is right. I dont think the season can end......certainly not in any meaningful way. Nothing else than a simple null & void.
Also, Bowyer is of course biased. He knows that relegation for us is a BIG BIG and desperate possibility if/when the season resumes. But who can blame him, certainly not me
These are extraordinary times.
Lives are at stake.
Why on earth should winning a league title or earning promotion matter in these circumstances?
No sport is that important and I’m a total sport nut.
And I’m not saying this just because of the position we’re in. As I believe we’ll end up being deducted points with all the nonsense that’s gone on behind the scenes, that’s if we still have a club to support.
And if any club thinks about going to court over it, they soon find out it’ll be a massive own goal.
T B H I would not be surprised if we are in lockdown until the autumn. However, I still maintain that this season should be concluded whenever that might be.
If there is a serous impact on the 20/21 season so be it. THIS season is the one at issue right now, let the future be sorted nearer the time. If this means a curtailing/reorganising of the 20/21 season then so be it.
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Have Leeds been guaranteed promotion?
If not, then what would they honestly expect to achieve by taking the EFL to Court?
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Lincsaddick said:
agreed, BUT the whole supposition is that the season restarts when the all clear or a very near all clear is given. It would be madness to restart until this is the case.shine166 said:
Tbh I don't think it will or should finish, medics and OB have better things to be doing at a time like this than being present at a football match.Lincsaddick said:
read @golfaddick's comments above .. but if your scenario comes to pass, then so be itshine166 said:
Trouble is, of a player is leaving the championship on wages of 4k and heading to the Premier league on 30k they will probably happily sit out the remaining fixtures.Lincsaddick said:
my point is that player can move on BUT the football authorities should prevent him playing for his new club for the rest of this season .. read this comment on the law regarding restrictive practices/covenants.msomerton said:The player contract situation is not as such regulated by FIFA but by English law. If your contract is to June the 30th then you are free to move on then as you like. If the club want you to stay to finish the season then you have to agree to it and I do not expect any footballer will do that for free.msomerton said:The player contract situation is not as such regulated by FIFA but by English law. If your contract is to June the 30th then you are free to move on then as you like. If the club want you to stay to finish the season then you have to agree to it and I do not expect any footballer will do that for free.
'The principle renders a contractual term purporting to restrict an individual's freedom to work for others or carry out his trade or business (a restrictive covenant) void unless it is designed to protect legitimate business interests and no wider than reasonably necessary.' .. unquote
I'd argue that a player changing clubs and being prevented from playing for the new club during a part of the season when this was not usual, would be to protect legitimate business interests .. (This really belongs on the other thread)KBslittlesis said:
So?Lincsaddick said:
null and void the season ? .. this might well happen as a last measure .. BUT, can you imagine the reaction at (say) Leeds United .. struggling for years to get back into the top league, being in a promotion spot then having it dashed from their proverbial hands by an FA (or whoever's) decree ? .. they would be in court hours after such a decision looking for some kind of recompense or to attempt to overturn the 'null and void' decision.Just listened to Bowyers interview last night. I think he is right. I dont think the season can end......certainly not in any meaningful way. Nothing else than a simple null & void.
Also, Bowyer is of course biased. He knows that relegation for us is a BIG BIG and desperate possibility if/when the season resumes. But who can blame him, certainly not me
These are extraordinary times.
Lives are at stake.
Why on earth should winning a league title or earning promotion matter in these circumstances?
No sport is that important and I’m a total sport nut.
And I’m not saying this just because of the position we’re in. As I believe we’ll end up being deducted points with all the nonsense that’s gone on behind the scenes, that’s if we still have a club to support.
And if any club thinks about going to court over it, they soon find out it’ll be a massive own goal.KBslittlesis said:
So?Lincsaddick said:
null and void the season ? .. this might well happen as a last measure .. BUT, can you imagine the reaction at (say) Leeds United .. struggling for years to get back into the top league, being in a promotion spot then having it dashed from their proverbial hands by an FA (or whoever's) decree ? .. they would be in court hours after such a decision looking for some kind of recompense or to attempt to overturn the 'null and void' decision.Just listened to Bowyers interview last night. I think he is right. I dont think the season can end......certainly not in any meaningful way. Nothing else than a simple null & void.
Also, Bowyer is of course biased. He knows that relegation for us is a BIG BIG and desperate possibility if/when the season resumes. But who can blame him, certainly not me
These are extraordinary times.
Lives are at stake.
Why on earth should winning a league title or earning promotion matter in these circumstances?
No sport is that important and I’m a total sport nut.
And I’m not saying this just because of the position we’re in. As I believe we’ll end up being deducted points with all the nonsense that’s gone on behind the scenes, that’s if we still have a club to support.
And if any club thinks about going to court over it, they soon find out it’ll be a massive own goal.
T B H I would not be surprised if we are in lockdown until the autumn. However, I still maintain that this season should be concluded whenever that might be.
If there is a serous impact on the 20/21 season so be it. THIS season is the one at issue right now, let the future be sorted nearer the time. If this means a curtailing/reorganising of the 20/21 season then so be it.Agree with this as an option to my previous post.People seem to forget next season is going to be SERIOUSLY affected as well. How will next season be organised?0 -
We have 16 senior players either on loan or with contracts about to expire. Even if those contracts could somehow be temporarily extended, their total salaries will be in the region of £700k per month, additional outgoings we can obviously not afford.1
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newyorkaddick said:We have 16 senior players either on loan or with contracts about to expire. Even if those contracts could somehow be temporarily extended, their total salaries will be in the region of £700k per month, additional outgoings we can obviously not afford.
Okay, let them go and we'll play with 6 men.
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