Cardiff City v Charlton Athletic | Tuesday 30 June 2020 | Post-match views

DoctorCharlton said:

Lack of firepower up top is a concern. Especially with all these teams below us continuing to pick up points.

Simonsen said:

I'd have no problem if Davison was given a go up front with a strike partner like Aneke, Hemed or Bonne. He showed against West Brom that he's got enough physicality and willingness....and he's not slow either. 

golfaddick said:

FishCostaFortune said:

Sage said:

killerandflash said:

Interesting comments from Bowyer there, in such a unique situation, coming back after such a short pre season, I agree with him in picking players based on current sharpness and fitness, rather than how they were playing earlier in the season

Completely agree. It’s very interesting and the way he says it makes it sound as if he’s a little disappointed how Jonny's fitness isn’t up there with others. Completely right to pick and play players based on what’s happening now. I just hope Jonny gets to that level soon and gets the chance to impact our season again in a positive way.

Williams did say before the restart that there’s only so much you can do and that they’re not runners. Maybe he struggled with the running and the motivation to hit the targets that were set. He seems the type of person who would’ve done better had he been able to complete the runs with a teammate rather than on his own.

If it was a player, like let's say Hemed, or McGeady who came back and Bowyer said the same things about them - they would be getting absolute pelters from many fans. Indeed Hemed was getting called fat when he came back from injury when the bloke is clearly pretty ripped! 

I know Johnny is a lovely guy, and has some serious talent, but his body is just not up to it at the best of time and if youre not putting in the fitness work when there's an opportunity like lockdown presented, then maybe it explains why. 

I'd much rather play a 3/4 fit Williams than a fully fit JFC, Green or Oztumer.

DoctorCharlton said:

RedChaser said:

I didn't realise they'd changed the laws of the game whereby only forwards are allowed to score goals 🤔.

They haven't. But they're paid to predominantly score goals.

And the ones we have, haven't scored since lockdown was lifted. They haven't even remotely looking like scoring bar that one chance across the line against Hull.

We've scored two goals, both from set-pieces. Are we just going to rely on that to win us games now? Because at the moment, we haven't got much else to rely on.

Will be interesting to see how they react when we concede first. It's only a matter of time before it happens, the clean sheet run won't last forever.

DoctorCharlton said:

RedChaser said:

DoctorCharlton said:

RedChaser said:

I didn't realise they'd changed the laws of the game whereby only forwards are allowed to score goals 🤔.

They haven't. But they're paid to predominantly score goals.

And the ones we have, haven't scored since lockdown was lifted. They haven't even remotely looking like scoring bar that one chance across the line against Hull.

We've scored two goals, both from set-pieces. Are we just going to rely on that to win us games now? Because at the moment, we haven't got much else to rely on.

Will be interesting to see how they react when we concede first. It's only a matter of time before it happens, the clean sheet run won't last forever.

We've lost three of our top scorers since the turn of the year so it should be no surprise that we are going to struggle to score goals. The forwards we now have aren't going to suddenly turn into 20 goal a season strikers so we have to play to our strengths in midfield and defence. If that means low scoring games and avoiding defeat I can live with that.

Points are all that matters so yes if we have to rely on set pieces for our goals then so be it but inevitably we will create chances from open play and it doesn't matter who converts them I'm not overly concerned.

I don't think anybody is expecting 20goals a season strikers but as I said... the ones we have don't even look like scoring. If we are reliant on set-pieces to score goals, we'll come unstuck eventually unless things change. We won't keep grinding out 1-0 and 0-0 forever.

DoctorCharlton said:

RedChaser said:

DoctorCharlton said:

RedChaser said:

I didn't realise they'd changed the laws of the game whereby only forwards are allowed to score goals 🤔.

They haven't. But they're paid to predominantly score goals.

And the ones we have, haven't scored since lockdown was lifted. They haven't even remotely looking like scoring bar that one chance across the line against Hull.

We've scored two goals, both from set-pieces. Are we just going to rely on that to win us games now? Because at the moment, we haven't got much else to rely on.

Will be interesting to see how they react when we concede first. It's only a matter of time before it happens, the clean sheet run won't last forever.

We've lost three of our top scorers since the turn of the year so it should be no surprise that we are going to struggle to score goals. The forwards we now have aren't going to suddenly turn into 20 goal a season strikers so we have to play to our strengths in midfield and defence. If that means low scoring games and avoiding defeat I can live with that.

Points are all that matters so yes if we have to rely on set pieces for our goals then so be it but inevitably we will create chances from open play and it doesn't matter who converts them I'm not overly concerned.

I don't think anybody is expecting 20goals a season strikers but as I said... the ones we have don't even look like scoring. If we are reliant on set-pieces to score goals, we'll come unstuck eventually unless things change. We won't keep grinding out 1-0 and 0-0 forever.

Oggy Red said:

DoctorCharlton said:

Oggy Red said:

DoctorCharlton said:

RedChaser said:

DoctorCharlton said:

RedChaser said:

I didn't realise they'd changed the laws of the game whereby only forwards are allowed to score goals 🤔.

They haven't. But they're paid to predominantly score goals.

And the ones we have, haven't scored since lockdown was lifted. They haven't even remotely looking like scoring bar that one chance across the line against Hull.

We've scored two goals, both from set-pieces. Are we just going to rely on that to win us games now? Because at the moment, we haven't got much else to rely on.

Will be interesting to see how they react when we concede first. It's only a matter of time before it happens, the clean sheet run won't last forever.

We've lost three of our top scorers since the turn of the year so it should be no surprise that we are going to struggle to score goals. The forwards we now have aren't going to suddenly turn into 20 goal a season strikers so we have to play to our strengths in midfield and defence. If that means low scoring games and avoiding defeat I can live with that.

Points are all that matters so yes if we have to rely on set pieces for our goals then so be it but inevitably we will create chances from open play and it doesn't matter who converts them I'm not overly concerned.

I don't think anybody is expecting 20goals a season strikers but as I said... the ones we have don't even look like scoring. If we are reliant on set-pieces to score goals, we'll come unstuck eventually unless things change. We won't keep grinding out 1-0 and 0-0 forever.

I don't see many clear cut chances being created.

Strikers need a service - and then, the expectation is that they score 1 goal from 3 chances.
That's normally what stats prove from a decent striker.

Also, penalties are a useful addition - but in our 3 matches, we haven't remotely looked like winning a penalty.
One reason will be that we're not carrying the ball into the box.

Remember the 3 consecutive clean sheets? Bowyer is planning to keep a compact shape and so far it's working.
But the price paid is that we're often deeper and not getting in penetrating positions or into the box, nearly enough.

Hemed dragged shot against Hull. Green choosing to turn on his right rather than left against Cardiff. Bonne shot from left hand side straight at keeper against QPR. Bonne getting his feet muddled when put in against Hull. Bonne missing the cross on the line against Hull, Hemed following him up behind also missed. Chuks turns his man but shoots wide against QPR, Bowyer said he should've scored.

Just a few I could think of post-lockdown, some not clear-cut as you have stated. But all of them chances to score, and none of them ended up in goals.

I do remember the clean sheets very well, and we should be proud of that. But that won't last forever, and when we do concede that goal... at the moment we're reliant on a set piece to get us goals. We didn't even have a shot on target yesterday.

We've had 3 shots on target in 270mins of football.

It would be great if all our strikers converted their every chance - but players are only human, make wrong decisions, rush their shot plus there is an opposing defence pressuring to stop our forwards scoring. They've also had a 3 month layoff which inevitably means a lack of sharpness.

It's not just us, you know. 
How many clear chances did the Cardiff forwards fashion last night - and how many did they take?

Bowyer knows that without Taylor as an outlet, innovator and scorer, he needs a plan B.
His current gameplan is to keep the shape compact and close down the midfield; inevitably that reduces the number of attacking options, therefore relying on set pieces and a quick turnover on the counter attack.

You know, I accept our players are a bit short of World Class, they've got their limitations and that we've lost 3 of our 4 leading goalscorers. Right now we're just plucky Charlton punching above our weight in the Championship, but competing well and with determination not to be relegated. That'll do me, for now. 
 

DoctorCharlton said:

Oggy Red said:

DoctorCharlton said:

Oggy Red said:

DoctorCharlton said:

RedChaser said:

DoctorCharlton said:

RedChaser said:

I didn't realise they'd changed the laws of the game whereby only forwards are allowed to score goals 🤔.

They haven't. But they're paid to predominantly score goals.

And the ones we have, haven't scored since lockdown was lifted. They haven't even remotely looking like scoring bar that one chance across the line against Hull.

We've scored two goals, both from set-pieces. Are we just going to rely on that to win us games now? Because at the moment, we haven't got much else to rely on.

Will be interesting to see how they react when we concede first. It's only a matter of time before it happens, the clean sheet run won't last forever.

We've lost three of our top scorers since the turn of the year so it should be no surprise that we are going to struggle to score goals. The forwards we now have aren't going to suddenly turn into 20 goal a season strikers so we have to play to our strengths in midfield and defence. If that means low scoring games and avoiding defeat I can live with that.

Points are all that matters so yes if we have to rely on set pieces for our goals then so be it but inevitably we will create chances from open play and it doesn't matter who converts them I'm not overly concerned.

I don't think anybody is expecting 20goals a season strikers but as I said... the ones we have don't even look like scoring. If we are reliant on set-pieces to score goals, we'll come unstuck eventually unless things change. We won't keep grinding out 1-0 and 0-0 forever.

I don't see many clear cut chances being created.

Strikers need a service - and then, the expectation is that they score 1 goal from 3 chances.
That's normally what stats prove from a decent striker.

Also, penalties are a useful addition - but in our 3 matches, we haven't remotely looked like winning a penalty.
One reason will be that we're not carrying the ball into the box.

Remember the 3 consecutive clean sheets? Bowyer is planning to keep a compact shape and so far it's working.
But the price paid is that we're often deeper and not getting in penetrating positions or into the box, nearly enough.

Hemed dragged shot against Hull. Green choosing to turn on his right rather than left against Cardiff. Bonne shot from left hand side straight at keeper against QPR. Bonne getting his feet muddled when put in against Hull. Bonne missing the cross on the line against Hull, Hemed following him up behind also missed. Chuks turns his man but shoots wide against QPR, Bowyer said he should've scored.

Just a few I could think of post-lockdown, some not clear-cut as you have stated. But all of them chances to score, and none of them ended up in goals.

I do remember the clean sheets very well, and we should be proud of that. But that won't last forever, and when we do concede that goal... at the moment we're reliant on a set piece to get us goals. We didn't even have a shot on target yesterday.

We've had 3 shots on target in 270mins of football.

It would be great if all our strikers converted their every chance - but players are only human, make wrong decisions, rush their shot plus there is an opposing defence pressuring to stop our forwards scoring. They've also had a 3 month layoff which inevitably means a lack of sharpness.

It's not just us, you know. 
How many clear chances did the Cardiff forwards fashion last night - and how many did they take?

Bowyer knows that without Taylor as an outlet, innovator and scorer, he needs a plan B.
His current gameplan is to keep the shape compact and close down the midfield; inevitably that reduces the number of attacking options, therefore relying on set pieces and a quick turnover on the counter attack.

You know, I accept our players are a bit short of World Class, they've got their limitations and that we've lost 3 of our 4 leading goalscorers. Right now we're just plucky Charlton punching above our weight in the Championship, but competing well and with determination not to be relegated. That'll do me, for now. 
 

Fair enough, last I'll speak on the matter cause we'll be going around in circles.