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Barnsley threatening EFL ahead of Disciplinary action for Wednesday, Derby & Birmingham
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The queue for clubs trying to get into EFL tribunals is longer than the one I witnessed at Tescos when toilet rolls were flying off the shelves!
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If we've learned anything over the last eight days it's that we can only rely on the Spanners for one thing: to stuff us up.Redrobo said:
I hope they get 3 today!killerandflash said:
And Millwall get only 1 more point in their last 4 matchesCordoban Addick said:
Pleased to see that your random results got us up to 15th!lordromford said:
Yeah, I’d bet my bottom dollar too. But it’s possible.golfaddick said:
They can only get 64 points which is currently sixth place. I would bet my house & everything I have to say that the teams currently in 6th 7th, 8th & 9th are going to get more more than that. I expect some are even playing against each other & therefore they cant all not get more than 64 points.lordromford said:
If the EFL plan to relegate them outright, the delay might be because it is a punishment applied to a team after the season ends and, although highly unlikely, in theory Wednesday could still sneak into the playoffs, so if the EFL announce that they are relegated, there is an outside chance that they then get promoted on the pitch, which means the EFL will have made a judgement on a Premier League team, which I would imagine they have no jurisdiction to do.stoneroses19 said:
Why wait though? Can just order an automatic relegation right now to Wednesday and state only the bottom 2 will be relegated normally.WelshAddick said:I think they will relegate them and that’s why they are waiting.
As soon as Cardiff, Swansea, Derby or Preston are 100% out of Wednesday’s reach, they could announce it.If they issue a points deduction, that applies to this season, so could’ve been announced anytime.
Just a thought.
For example, I just put a bunch of convenient results in to get this final table:
I did say it’s unlikely, but I would understand if the EFL wanted to be 100% sure.
I'm expecting an easy Hull win.
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Wednesday, like Wigan will surely get their points deduction the moment they're mathematically safe prior to the deduction
E.g. Give them both the points deduction now and they go down regardless then they've each escaped punishment
At the moment Wednesday are 10-pts clear of Hull with nine points to get
They cant go down without a deduction now so its safe to give them the punishment as from today as it'll be earnt this season rather than ineffective in League One next season0 -
Wednesdays 'punishment' is hardly befitting the crime. Theyre 2 up at qpr,seemingly playing well and even with a 12 point deduction now,would only be 3 points from safety. Cheats do prosper after all🤷♂️
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I think they'll stay up regardless if they get a 12-pt deduction!! - Is why the nine points should be suspendedRedvalleyeast said:Wednesdays 'punishment' is hardly befitting the crime. Theyre 2 up at qpr,seemingly playing well and even with a 12 point deduction now,would only be 3 points from safety. Cheats do prosper after all🤷♂️
They've got that little bit of quality that the other relegation fighters dont quite have2 -
Better still ...ForeverAddickted said:
I think they'll stay up regardless if they get a 12-pt deduction!! - Is why the nine points should be suspendedRedvalleyeast said:Wednesdays 'punishment' is hardly befitting the crime. Theyre 2 up at qpr,seemingly playing well and even with a 12 point deduction now,would only be 3 points from safety. Cheats do prosper after all🤷♂️
They've got that little bit of quality that the other relegation fighters dont quite have
Automatically relegate the cheating furkers this season, give them a 12-point penalty to start next season to (hopefully) stop them bouncing back at the first attempt, and have a suspended 9-point penalty to be triggered if they find themselves on the naughty step again.
If you don't have a suitable deterrent unscrupulous owners will roll the dice again and again, hoping to get away with it.18 -
Reckon if there was an independent body that controlled the EFL then we'd potentially see such a penaltyBriston_Addick said:
Better still ...ForeverAddickted said:
I think they'll stay up regardless if they get a 12-pt deduction!! - Is why the nine points should be suspendedRedvalleyeast said:Wednesdays 'punishment' is hardly befitting the crime. Theyre 2 up at qpr,seemingly playing well and even with a 12 point deduction now,would only be 3 points from safety. Cheats do prosper after all🤷♂️
They've got that little bit of quality that the other relegation fighters dont quite have
Automatically relegate the cheating furkers this season, give them a 12-point penalty to start next season to (hopefully) stop them bouncing back at the first attempt, and have a suspended 9-point penalty to be triggered if they find themselves on the naughty step again.
If you don't have a suitable deterrent unscrupulous owners will roll the dice again and again, hoping to get away with it.
But you're right, breaking of FFP should result in instant relegation
You cant have half a League playing by the rules and the other ignoring them, makes a mockery of it all11 -
carly burn said:The queue for clubs trying to get into EFL tribunals is longer than the one I witnessed at Tescos when toilet rolls were flying off the shelves!
And both queues are trying to cover up the sticky stuff!
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But only announced AFTER they've already beaten Huddersfield and Boro...Briston_Addick said:
Better still ...ForeverAddickted said:
I think they'll stay up regardless if they get a 12-pt deduction!! - Is why the nine points should be suspendedRedvalleyeast said:Wednesdays 'punishment' is hardly befitting the crime. Theyre 2 up at qpr,seemingly playing well and even with a 12 point deduction now,would only be 3 points from safety. Cheats do prosper after all🤷♂️
They've got that little bit of quality that the other relegation fighters dont quite have
Automatically relegate the cheating furkers this season, give them a 12-point penalty to start next season to (hopefully) stop them bouncing back at the first attempt, and have a suspended 9-point penalty to be triggered if they find themselves on the naughty step again.
If you don't have a suitable deterrent unscrupulous owners will roll the dice again and again, hoping to get away with it.0 -
With all the ownership charade resurfacing (if it really went away) I hope administration and a 12 point deduction isn’t coming our way. Or worse we get relegated then it happens and we start league 1 on -12.1
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The way English football has been allowed to be run for last few years, this is going to become normal every season. 2 or 3 clubs in each division will start the season on minus points and a further 2/3 clubs will receive deductions throughout the season for various offences/administration.Brian said:With all the ownership charade resurfacing (if it really went away) I hope administration and a 12 point deduction isn’t coming our way. Or worse we get relegated then it happens and we start league 1 on -12.1 -
I guess when we start defaulting on payments/wages we'll see some action in that area.Brian said:With all the ownership charade resurfacing (if it really went away) I hope administration and a 12 point deduction isn’t coming our way. Or worse we get relegated then it happens and we start league 1 on -12.0 -
Sheffield Wednesday should have the opposite repercussion to Wigan.
i.e. If they do not get relegated this season with a 12 point deduction, the 12 points apply next season.
There has to be a punishment.7 -
With Derby’s hearing starting tomorrow, surely we will get the result of Wednesday’s punishment within the next couple of days?!5
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Not sure what essential requirement 8 is.
who’d want to be spin doctor for a morally bankrupt cadre of risible fuckwits anyway? You’d need a passion for futility2 -
Expectations of what EFL will do about any of this blatant chicanery and how long they’ll kick cans down roads and into long grass have to be set on the same scale as we had for 🐀💩‘s delusional rambling at the nadir of his Charlton catastrophe. EFL is as crooked as 🐀 is crazy1
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They'll be happy to punish small to middling clubs that way but I bet it's a different set of rules for the big boys.stoneroses19 said:
The way English football has been allowed to be run for last few years, this is going to become normal every season. 2 or 3 clubs in each division will start the season on minus points and a further 2/3 clubs will receive deductions throughout the season for various offences/administration.Brian said:With all the ownership charade resurfacing (if it really went away) I hope administration and a 12 point deduction isn’t coming our way. Or worse we get relegated then it happens and we start league 1 on -12.5 -
But you aren't likely to see any of the big clubs going into administration.SantaClaus said:
They'll be happy to punish small to middling clubs that way but I bet it's a different set of rules for the big boys.stoneroses19 said:
The way English football has been allowed to be run for last few years, this is going to become normal every season. 2 or 3 clubs in each division will start the season on minus points and a further 2/3 clubs will receive deductions throughout the season for various offences/administration.Brian said:With all the ownership charade resurfacing (if it really went away) I hope administration and a 12 point deduction isn’t coming our way. Or worse we get relegated then it happens and we start league 1 on -12.
Leeds probably the biggest club it happened to and they started a season on -15.0 -
Man City have been banned from Europe, appealed, had their case heard and then won it in the time it's taken for the EFL to continue to investigate Sheffield Wednesday.
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Squeaky bum time at the EFL, do they make a decision or not?0
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No doubt they will want to leave it until the end of the season and then deduct the number of points that does not relegate them.iaitch said:Squeaky bum time at the EFL, do they make a decision or not?
That is why I think that if points deducted do not relegate them it should be applied next year.
There HAS to be a punishment.6 -
All the gravy train spongers between them at EFL have probably just enough nouse to get that the biscuit wheels are crumbling and their cushy do nothing 'jobs' just got real.
They sat by and let Bury rot, then stuck the boot in. They sat by and watched Charlton get bum raped, the old boss told us some of what we wanted to hear and then fucked off with an extra year's salary without so much as lifting one finger. They held the door open at Wigan's hen house for a starving fox and now have to decide whether to kick the farmer in the balls. They smiled and entertained Sheff W's owner while he was flicking his shit at them and now they've all been found out they've got to pretend to be all steamed up about the drycleaning bill.
Punishment? What can they possibly hope to do? They're part of the problem. They certainly have no solutions. The rules have no meaning when the rule maker is at once complicit and inept.
All this in the time of global, health catastrophe is just so much self-regarding, self-defeating nonsense.12 -
Don't think I've ever seen the words Charlton and bum raped in a sentence.... However, I get the very well made point...
The EFL are the beginning, middle and end of the whole problem... They're like a cancer that should be cut out.
Thing is nobody has the balls to do it which is why we are probably watching a time limited sport in footy... It can't survive and in ten years or sooner it will just be Premier league games... Everthything else will be non league.0 -
I think that is too pessimistic. I am hoping that reality hits home. A wages cap in Championship and the leagues below is essential IMO. That does not have to be set at a level that means each and every club can afford 20 players on that wage. It is a cap not a minimum wage.peterreeves said:Don't think I've ever seen the words Charlton and bum raped in a sentence.... However, I get the very well made point...
The EFL are the beginning, middle and end of the whole problem... They're like a cancer that should be cut out.
Thing is nobody has the balls to do it which is why we are probably watching a time limited sport in footy... It can't survive and in ten years or sooner it will just be Premier league games... Everthything else will be non league.Not complying with the rules must have automatic penalties, like the rule on administration.
The EFL would have a lot less issues to deal with if punishments were transparent and immediate. Sitting around trying to decide penalties for this and mitigation for that is a nonsense. They seem to spend an inordinate amount of time and money investigating.
Take SW. The punishment should be (Say) 25 points - with published mitigation for a small amount (Less than (say) £20m) of 5 points. Mitigation for putting your hands up to it of between 0-5 points. Double for a repeat.Take us. New owners to provide evidence to satisfy fit and proper within 14 days of purchase or transfer embargo. 5 points deducted for every 7 day period beyond that.0 -
I'll repeat what I said a few days ago about the EFL, they only have the powers the clubs give them, and the clubs aren't going to give them the powers as it would be like turkeys voting for Christmas. Not giving them the powers allows clubs to take the piss, with the easy scapegoat of the EFL.
If they had the powers, then great, but they don't, pretty much the only way to do it is an Independent regulator for the sport, and no government is going to fund it or do the legislative work, and the clubs will cripple it by not giving it the resources to do its job.0 -
I guess the problem with caps is that they need to be in proportion to income, and that's only something you can judge several months after the season has finishedRedrobo said:
I think that is too pessimistic. I am hoping that reality hits home. A wages cap in Championship and the leagues below is essential IMO. That does not have to be set at a level that means each and every club can afford 20 players on that wage. It is a cap not a minimum wage.peterreeves said:Don't think I've ever seen the words Charlton and bum raped in a sentence.... However, I get the very well made point...
The EFL are the beginning, middle and end of the whole problem... They're like a cancer that should be cut out.
Thing is nobody has the balls to do it which is why we are probably watching a time limited sport in footy... It can't survive and in ten years or sooner it will just be Premier league games... Everthything else will be non league.Not complying with the rules must have automatic penalties, like the rule on administration.
The EFL would have a lot less issues to deal with if punishments were transparent and immediate. Sitting around trying to decide penalties for this and mitigation for that is a nonsense. They seem to spend an inordinate amount of time and money investigating.
Take SW. The punishment should be (Say) 25 points - with published mitigation for a small amount (Less than (say) £20m) of 5 points. Mitigation for putting your hands up to it of between 0-5 points. Double for a repeat.Take us. New owners to provide evidence to satisfy fit and proper within 14 days of purchase or transfer embargo. 5 points deducted for every 7 day period beyond that.
For example Leeds have far larger crowds and commercial income than say Luton or Wigan, so should be able to spend a lot more on wages0 -
Caps are fine in centralised revenue or closed sports where there is little or no movement. Rugby does it by effectively limiting a players ability to play for their country, which is a restraint of trade, but gets away with it, Rugby League does it, but limits the sport geographically. There are other ways to save money, there is no need for the League 1 and 2 to be National Leagues anymore for example3
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Which is why it likely will never work in football.killerandflash said:
I guess the problem with caps is that they need to be in proportion to income, and that's only something you can judge several months after the season has finishedRedrobo said:
I think that is too pessimistic. I am hoping that reality hits home. A wages cap in Championship and the leagues below is essential IMO. That does not have to be set at a level that means each and every club can afford 20 players on that wage. It is a cap not a minimum wage.peterreeves said:Don't think I've ever seen the words Charlton and bum raped in a sentence.... However, I get the very well made point...
The EFL are the beginning, middle and end of the whole problem... They're like a cancer that should be cut out.
Thing is nobody has the balls to do it which is why we are probably watching a time limited sport in footy... It can't survive and in ten years or sooner it will just be Premier league games... Everthything else will be non league.Not complying with the rules must have automatic penalties, like the rule on administration.
The EFL would have a lot less issues to deal with if punishments were transparent and immediate. Sitting around trying to decide penalties for this and mitigation for that is a nonsense. They seem to spend an inordinate amount of time and money investigating.
Take SW. The punishment should be (Say) 25 points - with published mitigation for a small amount (Less than (say) £20m) of 5 points. Mitigation for putting your hands up to it of between 0-5 points. Double for a repeat.Take us. New owners to provide evidence to satisfy fit and proper within 14 days of purchase or transfer embargo. 5 points deducted for every 7 day period beyond that.
For example Leeds have far larger crowds and commercial income than say Luton or Wigan, so should be able to spend a lot more on wages
It's different in the NFL or NBA where the stadiums are all fairly similar sizes, there's no promotion or relegation, and there's a player draft.2 -
Doesn't seem to be that much of a problem. Just set the cap as a proportion (say 50% or 60%) of turnover for the last financial year.killerandflash said:
I guess the problem with caps is that they need to be in proportion to income, and that's only something you can judge several months after the season has finishedRedrobo said:
I think that is too pessimistic. I am hoping that reality hits home. A wages cap in Championship and the leagues below is essential IMO. That does not have to be set at a level that means each and every club can afford 20 players on that wage. It is a cap not a minimum wage.peterreeves said:Don't think I've ever seen the words Charlton and bum raped in a sentence.... However, I get the very well made point...
The EFL are the beginning, middle and end of the whole problem... They're like a cancer that should be cut out.
Thing is nobody has the balls to do it which is why we are probably watching a time limited sport in footy... It can't survive and in ten years or sooner it will just be Premier league games... Everthything else will be non league.Not complying with the rules must have automatic penalties, like the rule on administration.
The EFL would have a lot less issues to deal with if punishments were transparent and immediate. Sitting around trying to decide penalties for this and mitigation for that is a nonsense. They seem to spend an inordinate amount of time and money investigating.
Take SW. The punishment should be (Say) 25 points - with published mitigation for a small amount (Less than (say) £20m) of 5 points. Mitigation for putting your hands up to it of between 0-5 points. Double for a repeat.Take us. New owners to provide evidence to satisfy fit and proper within 14 days of purchase or transfer embargo. 5 points deducted for every 7 day period beyond that.
For example Leeds have far larger crowds and commercial income than say Luton or Wigan, so should be able to spend a lot more on wages1 -
Indeed. The Deloitte report on football, which I think is the report that gave us the most recent stats on wages, pointed out that a 70% cap was required to support sustainability. Implementing it would be the challenge.Jints said:
Doesn't seem to be that much of a problem. Just set the cap as a proportion (say 50% or 60%) of turnover for the last financial year.killerandflash said:
I guess the problem with caps is that they need to be in proportion to income, and that's only something you can judge several months after the season has finishedRedrobo said:
I think that is too pessimistic. I am hoping that reality hits home. A wages cap in Championship and the leagues below is essential IMO. That does not have to be set at a level that means each and every club can afford 20 players on that wage. It is a cap not a minimum wage.peterreeves said:Don't think I've ever seen the words Charlton and bum raped in a sentence.... However, I get the very well made point...
The EFL are the beginning, middle and end of the whole problem... They're like a cancer that should be cut out.
Thing is nobody has the balls to do it which is why we are probably watching a time limited sport in footy... It can't survive and in ten years or sooner it will just be Premier league games... Everthything else will be non league.Not complying with the rules must have automatic penalties, like the rule on administration.
The EFL would have a lot less issues to deal with if punishments were transparent and immediate. Sitting around trying to decide penalties for this and mitigation for that is a nonsense. They seem to spend an inordinate amount of time and money investigating.
Take SW. The punishment should be (Say) 25 points - with published mitigation for a small amount (Less than (say) £20m) of 5 points. Mitigation for putting your hands up to it of between 0-5 points. Double for a repeat.Take us. New owners to provide evidence to satisfy fit and proper within 14 days of purchase or transfer embargo. 5 points deducted for every 7 day period beyond that.
For example Leeds have far larger crowds and commercial income than say Luton or Wigan, so should be able to spend a lot more on wages0
