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Think Bowyer is going a bit OTT with his hard-line approach to certain players. One mistake and you're off surely isn't going to help build confidence. Morgan has clearly worked hard during lockdown and has been playing well, cut him a bit of slack sometimes.4
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I'm not sure he is. You have to know the player but both are works in progress. How far they go will depend on how well they learn. Some players at all levels listen and some don't. Some just aren't good enough but Bonne and Morgan are players that can become very good.
The problem can be that you go harder on players you know can take it. Then there is a danger they think you are picking on them. It is important you try to explain that to them.2 -
Bowyer has been astonishing at improving players since he became our manager. Long may he continue doing what he does.7
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I think Bows want Morgan to either track or chop. Seeing him do neither is leaving him remembering his playing days and what he would have done. Sometimes you have to say goodbye to the player version of yourself.0
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You can go hard on players who don't work hard, or keep disobeying instructions, that I understand. But not because they miss chances, as that's not a deliberate, conscious action, that's down to their instinct or natural abilityMuttleyCAFC said:I'm not sure he is. You have to know the player but both are works in progress. How far they go will depend on how well they learn. Some players at all levels listen and some don't. Some just aren't good enough but Bonne and Morgan are players that can become very good.
The problem can be that you go harder on players you know can take it. Then there is a danger they think you are picking on them. It is important you try to explain that to them.
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The question is, do you think Albie will track back in the next game as a result of what Bowyer has said? If the answer is yes then it’s good management.5
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If the answer is no then is it down to Albie rebelling against Bowyer or is it his inability to take instructions on board?hmmoore said:The question is, do you think Albie will track back in the next game as a result of what Bowyer has said? If the answer is yes then it’s good management.0 -
It's Bow's way or the highway, kill or cure, wasn't my preferred style of management but sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. He still gets my support.3
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The other way of looking at is this... If Morgan keeps ignoring Bowyer's instructions when played and we continue to lose
Whose head is on the choping board? - It wont be Morgan's because it never is the players fault, the blame will rest with Bowyer and he'll be the one sacked
And that'll be all down to a player not doing as they're told
Still amazes me to this day how easily players get off the hook when a Manager gets the sack0 -
He's criticised Morgan's defensive work a few times now. If he isn't happy with it why play him? Presumably it's because he's the best passer of the ball we have and gives us something going forward. To take him off because he is hasn't done something that you know isn't a strength of his is poor management imo. Either don't play him or accept he will currently be lacking in certain areas.2
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Well he didn't track back for Wallace chance in the previous home game so clearly Bowyers rant didn't work.hmmoore said:The question is, do you think Albie will track back in the next game as a result of what Bowyer has said? If the answer is yes then it’s good management.1 -
In that case he doesn't see the need for the same set of rules for all games in this mini 9 game season...ForeverAddickted said:Notice Bowyer has said that Danny Murphy is still at the club and is helping out with the player fitness, advising Lee when players should be rested etc.
Also doesn't see Wigan winning their appeal against Administration
Doesnt see the need for the drinks breaks either now, especially when its been raining
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But then if Bowyer doesnt give Morgan a chance how will he know if Albie has learnt from his past mistakes or not?Talal said:He's criticised Morgan's defensive work a few times now. If he isn't happy with it why play him? Presumably it's because he's the best passer of the ball we have and gives us something going forward. To take him off because he is hasn't done something that you know isn't a strength of his is poor management imo. Either don't play him or accept he will currently be lacking in certain areas.
At the moment its a bit of a catch-22 situation for both of them
I'm sure your right and given time we wont see Albie playing if he continues to make the same mistakes seeing there is only so long that you can persist with him0 -
You could see Bonne's confidence was affected Saturday when he was at a ridiculously tight angle and put the ball across goal rather than in it, his head went down and he booted the advertising hoardings. He's a hand on the shoulder type not a call 'useless' type.bolloxbolder said:Terrible from Bowyer. Bonne won't have a clear head if he goes through on goal. The pressure on him will be immense.
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Or play him further forward with a free role as I said the other day, it's where he's played as a number ten during his development I understand. The thing with that is he's probably at least 4th in the pecking order behind the experienced Williams, McGeedy and Oztumer.Talal said:He's criticised Morgan's defensive work a few times now. If he isn't happy with it why play him? Presumably it's because he's the best passer of the ball we have and gives us something going forward. To take him off because he is hasn't done something that you know isn't a strength of his is poor management imo. Either don't play him or accept he will currently be lacking in certain areas.1 -
It wasn't as if Albie was daydreaming on the half way line or "doing an Ozil" where it was obvious he couldn't be bothered to track back
In this one instance he was caught out by the movement of the Reading player and reacted half a second late.
That wasn't the only error though, the Reading player that played the through ball should surely have been closed down better (by Pratley?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkYG79bvLRk
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Agree @killerandflash
Albie has once again gotten stick from Bowyer, when it was multiple mistakes. Albie reacted a second late, a proper left back instead of Deji would probably have thought a 20 year old CM might not read this and may have tucked in a bit tighter to Morgan.
You can also see from that replay:
PK - Deji's foot does not catch their players, he goes over from Deji reaching and grabbing his arm.
OFFSIDE - Chuks is clearly on side when the ball is played
PK - JFC looks like he's dived there, however he was cleary being manhandled - should have been a FK on the edge.0 -
But he'd done the self same thing in the game 8 days earlier against the Spanners anyone can make a mistake but if you repeat the same mistake in a short space of time you are asking for trouble from your boss which is what he got.killerandflash said:It wasn't as if Albie was daydreaming on the half way line or "doing an Ozil" where it was obvious he couldn't be bothered to track back
In this one instance he was caught out by the movement of the Reading player and reacted half a second late.
That wasn't the only error though, the Reading player that played the through ball should surely have been closed down better (by Pratley?)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkYG79bvLRk8 -
Personally I think Bowyer needs to stop playing him if he's going to keep on taking him off when he makes defensive mistakes. Bowyer weakens the side because when Albie isn't in it, we have to change our playing style and the other players can't match his passing accuracy and vision at the moment.ForeverAddickted said:
But then if Bowyer doesnt give Morgan a chance how will he know if Albie has learnt from his past mistakes or not?Talal said:He's criticised Morgan's defensive work a few times now. If he isn't happy with it why play him? Presumably it's because he's the best passer of the ball we have and gives us something going forward. To take him off because he is hasn't done something that you know isn't a strength of his is poor management imo. Either don't play him or accept he will currently be lacking in certain areas.
At the moment its a bit of a catch-22 situation for both of them
I'm sure your right and given time we wont see Albie playing if he continues to make the same mistakes seeing there is only so long that you can persist with him
Stick him in the CAM role and watch him flourish...2 -
Albie leaves a gapping hole. He may only react half a second late but that is all you need to let in a player. He was definitely partially at fault for the goal. Not sure I can blame Bowyer for calling that out, it is a repeated issue and he does need to do something about it to be a better player and get the financial rewards his class on the ball deserve.
As for Bonne, I tend to agree that calling him out on a miss seems daft, not like he meant it and strikes me as a player who gives his all every game but just isn't yet up to being number one striker in the Championship. Not sure what Bowyer thinks calling him out will do to help this.
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Perhaps the pressure is getting to Bowyer.0
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I would be worried if it was notCovered End said:Perhaps the pressure is getting to Bowyer.0 -
Remember Fosu - allegedly he would not play the LB way and never played for us after that, but he is a good footballer1
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There's quite a lot of smoke there to obscure the view of him having set the team up to fail from the kickoff with a square peg in the left back hole - when there are far better qualified alternatives - and doubly encumbering the inexperienced Morgan by sticking him on the left - he's clearly not a natural wide player and predominantly right sided - when Morgan on the right and McGeady on the left is patently much less risky given McG's comparatively vast experience and greater innate versatility.Talal said:Think Bowyer is going a bit OTT with his hard-line approach to certain players. One mistake and you're off surely isn't going to help build confidence. Morgan has clearly worked hard during lockdown and has been playing well, cut him a bit of slack sometimes.
That's a lengthy and detailed way of accusing LB of just trying to cover his arse for making a clutch of mistakes.1 -
Erm... So it's okay for strikers to miss shots, but not for a much younger creative midfielder to miss a run by a half a second...Athletico Charlton said:Albie leaves a gapping hole. He may only react half a second late but that is all you need to let in a player. He was definitely partially at fault for the goal. Not sure I can blame Bowyer for calling that out, it is a repeated issue and he does need to do something about it to be a better player and get the financial rewards his class on the ball deserve.
As for Bonne, I tend to agree that calling him out on a miss seems daft, not like he meant it and strikes me as a player who gives his all every game but just isn't yet up to being number one striker in the Championship. Not sure what Bowyer thinks calling him out will do to help this.0 -
There are lots of ways of looking at this. Should Morgan be playing out on the wing? Arguably not, he’s a CAM to the best of my knowledge and CAMs ordinarily have poor or average defensive qualities, hence why they play in a CAM role. The truth is we built a squad around lots of DM, CM and CAM options, the only genuine wide players we have had to play with this season are Leko, Green and McGeady (who now works better as a drifter, as his legs are not what they once were).On the flip side, if your coaches have spent weeks drilling the importance of your defensive duties and IF he was specifically asked to stick to the player which ran through like a rash and switched off for no more than a few seconds, I can understand Bowyer’s frustration, as ultimately the penalty cost us at least a point.
My preference would be that Morgan and Green face some ‘hair dryer’ treatment, but all done behind closed doors. I certainly feel worse rather than better, as a Charlton supporter, hearing our players being publicly cristicised.0 -
We must not forget these players are not the same age.
People are letting Bonne off, but he's 4 years older than Albie...
Albie is doing well for his second season running and is only IMO being hindered by being hooked at half time, time and time again. Especially as it doesn't ever change the draw/loss into a win.2 -
When defending, every midfielder needs to man mark ‘their’ player. If he goes to the toilet - you go with him. You do not switch off. You do not ball watch. You stay goal side of your player at all times, block or go with him. If he does get past you, think about stopping him.
Do not let a goal be your fault.It is basic.5 -
It is basic but easily done. I think you are less likely to do it if you are going to get dug out for it though. That is less so for missing a chance.0
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Yes its basic. Very basic. But you don't sub the player at half time because of 1 mistake.Redrobo said:When defending, every midfielder needs to man mark ‘their’ player. If he goes to the toilet - you go with him. You do not switch off. You do not ball watch. You stay goal side of your player at all times, block or go with him. If he does get past you, think about stopping him.
Do not let a goal be your fault.It is basic.
I'm going to be looking out for this tomorrow night & posting in the match thread everytime I see a player has made a mistake & should be subbed.0
