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Charlton v Wigan | Sat 18 July, 2020 | Post-match thread
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I respect your opinion but ask you in all honesty if you want to start a new Championship season with him leading the line. If we are in L1 - then maybe, because there are more chances created for him to fluff and the law of averages will get him goals.killerandflash said:
Sorry, but that's ridiculous, for someone who has 11 goals this season.Valiantphil said:
Just like we have dropped 8 points in added time, it's only fair to look at the net position (late goals at Wigan and QPR) which makes it 6.Oggy Red said:So 11 Championship goals now for our non-League striker.
Since Taylor f*cked off, it's all been on Bonne's shoulders. We need to cut him some slack.
Same for Bonne........he has earned us a couple of points with his goals - but the net position after taking off his fluffs is about -12 goals and however many points (not checked).
He needs to be cut something, but not some slack.
"Out of the picture" would be my choice.
Teams were quaking in their boots at the thought of facing Lyle, and the same doesn't happen for Chucks/Bonne/Hemed/Davidson - who sound more like a firm of solicitors on the team sheet.
Bamford this season has 16 goals, but that has come from 125 shots, 56 of which were on target2 -
If we had a super duper budget, then no doubt we could buy someone better, but we don'tValiantphil said:
I respect your opinion but ask you in all honesty if you want to start a new Championship season with him leading the line. If we are in L1 - then maybe, because there are more chances created for him to fluff and the law of averages will get him goals.killerandflash said:
Sorry, but that's ridiculous, for someone who has 11 goals this season.Valiantphil said:
Just like we have dropped 8 points in added time, it's only fair to look at the net position (late goals at Wigan and QPR) which makes it 6.Oggy Red said:So 11 Championship goals now for our non-League striker.
Since Taylor f*cked off, it's all been on Bonne's shoulders. We need to cut him some slack.
Same for Bonne........he has earned us a couple of points with his goals - but the net position after taking off his fluffs is about -12 goals and however many points (not checked).
He needs to be cut something, but not some slack.
"Out of the picture" would be my choice.
Teams were quaking in their boots at the thought of facing Lyle, and the same doesn't happen for Chucks/Bonne/Hemed/Davidson - who sound more like a firm of solicitors on the team sheet.
Bamford this season has 16 goals, but that has come from 125 shots, 56 of which were on target
11 goals isn't a fluke. It's a LOT more goals than of our other recent Championship strikers.
In 2015/16 Makienok got 5, Reza 4
In 2014/15 Igor top scored with 11
In 2013/14 Sordell and Yann got 8, and Church 719 -
Thought we were the better team. When we were losing, a point suddenly looked a hopeful result in terms of the possibilities. We are not down yet.0
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It certainly doesn't: Vardy only scored 4 goals in his debut season in the Championship after moving from non-league.Sillybilly said:I’m not having this Bonne hero worship stuff. He was rank awful for 95% of the game. Granted he kept trying but he scored with a shot that wasn’t much harder than a back pass. Fair play to the lad and I’m glad he did but that doesn’t make him Jamie fucking Vardy. If Bowyer thinks he was brilliant today then I know even less about football than I think I do. I clearly need to take a holiday from here for a bit.
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Although the Wigan manager seems to think so:Talal said:
Until the Wigan deduction is 100% confirmed I'm not relying on it.bobmunro said:
I don't care if Hull finish above us.cafcfan1990 said:
Not necessarily, a point would be enough if we lost at Leeds.bobmunro said:soapboxsam said:The venom aimed at our players during a game is unreal. I guess you guys do the same at matches ?
Well done Bowyer for keeping Bonne on at the death, all the other experts thought he should come off because he misses chances. The fact he now has 3 in 5 games appears to count for nothing. Davidson was enthusiastic for 60 odd minutes and did his self proud but his first game for about 5 months in first team was always going to drain him.
I will give the match thread a wide berth on Wednesday as I seem to be out of kilter with the comments. Too many folk just want to bury Charlton and the players
I repeat the same message that I said after the Birmingham game. The whole team are giving 100% every 3 or 4 days despite their obvious limitations at times.
Naby Sarr did at least 3 great passes But being Naby, the cross for the first goal he had to try to stop with his Left foot not his right !
Still we live to fight another day and I'm still considering @bobmunro claim that's it best that either Hull or Luton win. A lot of ifs and Buts in there, but in Bob we trust.Very dangerous!My analysis assumes Wigan get the 12 point deduction - if they don't (and it's a possibility knowing the EFL), I still think a Hull win is better for us - they would have to beat Cardiff on the last day to go above us so - much tougher than Luton against Blackburn.
If Hull win, Luton are down. If Barnsley do not win tomorrow they are down. That would only leave Wigan who could overtake us - and they would need to beat Fulham last game - a draw wouldn't be enough. My thinking is that it is far more likely for Wigan not to win at Fulham than us taking a point at Leeds. Just percentages!!"When asked whether Latics would have been safe had they held on for three points, Cook didn't think twice.
"Yep, I genuinely did," he replied. "Now, we're going to have to win our last game against Fulham, and even then it might not be enough."
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Sadly Luton score in the 85th
our task has become ever more a nightmare 👎1 -
How many penalties in the numbers above? How much better service do those strikers get? Bonne has scored 11 no penalties in a team that creates few chances.Callumcafc said:For comparison against Bonne’s 11/10 ratio goals to big misses.Ollie Watkins: 25 goals, 16 “big chances” missed
Mitrovic: 24 goals, 12 “big chances” missed
Grabban: 20 goals, 17 “big chances” missed
Wells: 18 goals, 11 “big chances” missed
Grant: 18 goals, 14 “big chances” missed8 -
Our task hasnt changed1968CAFC said:Sadly Luton score in the 85th
our task has become ever more a nightmare 👎
Equal the results of all three teams below us and we stay up, equal the results of two teams and we stay up
If we lose and Luton get a better result then we stay up
If we lose and Luton draw and Wigan win, then we go down2 -
It does mean Hull can’t catch us though.1968CAFC said:Sadly Luton score in the 85th
our task has become ever more a nightmare 👎3 -
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1968CAFC said:Sadly Luton score in the 85th
our task has become ever more a nightmare 👎No it hasn't - Hull are down and almost certainly Barnsley are down as well (they will be tomorrow).If we fail to get anything at Leeds Luton will still need something from Blackburn AND Wigan will have to beat Fulham (and Fulham go into that game still with a chance of an outright).3 -
Mixed feelings. If Barnsly fail to beat Forest tw and Wigan draw with Fulham then we are safe.1
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And Luton lose to Blackburn...Rudders22 said:Mixed feelings. If Barnsly fail to beat Forest tw and Wigan draw with Fulham then we are safe.0 -
How does that make sense ?ForeverAddickted said:
Our task hasnt changed1968CAFC said:Sadly Luton score in the 85th
our task has become ever more a nightmare 👎
Equal the results of all three teams below us and we stay up, equal the results of two teams and we stay up
If we lose and Luton get a better result then we stay up
If we lose and Luton draw and Wigan win, then we go down
If we lose at Leeds and Luton get a better result
We stay up....how will they, they would have more points?
We are only better than them now on goal difference.........please explain what you mean ?2 -
1968CAFC said:
How does that make sense ?ForeverAddickted said:
Our task hasnt changed1968CAFC said:Sadly Luton score in the 85th
our task has become ever more a nightmare 👎
Equal the results of all three teams below us and we stay up, equal the results of two teams and we stay up
If we lose and Luton get a better result then we stay up
If we lose and Luton draw and Wigan win, then we go down
If we lose at Leeds and Luton get a better result
We stay up....how will they, they would have more points?
We are only better than them now on goal difference.........please explain what you mean ?
WIGAN!!
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We're 20th on 48-pts1968CAFC said:
How does that make sense ?ForeverAddickted said:
Our task hasnt changed1968CAFC said:Sadly Luton score in the 85th
our task has become ever more a nightmare 👎
Equal the results of all three teams below us and we stay up, equal the results of two teams and we stay up
If we lose and Luton get a better result then we stay up
If we lose and Luton draw and Wigan win, then we go down
If we lose at Leeds and Luton get a better result
We stay up....how will they, they would have more points?
We are only better than them now on goal difference.........please explain what you mean ?
Luton are 21st on 48-pts
Wigan are 22nd on 46-pts0 -
bobmunro said:1968CAFC said:
How does that make sense ?ForeverAddickted said:
Our task hasnt changed1968CAFC said:Sadly Luton score in the 85th
our task has become ever more a nightmare 👎
Equal the results of all three teams below us and we stay up, equal the results of two teams and we stay up
If we lose and Luton get a better result then we stay up
If we lose and Luton draw and Wigan win, then we go down
If we lose at Leeds and Luton get a better result
We stay up....how will they, they would have more points?
We are only better than them now on goal difference.........please explain what you mean ?
WIGAN!!
OO, SCOTTY PARKER!!5 -
No it hasnt1968CAFC said:Sadly Luton score in the 85th
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Gillis said:
It certainly doesn't: Vardy only scored 4 goals in his debut season in the Championship after moving from non-league.Sillybilly said:I’m not having this Bonne hero worship stuff. He was rank awful for 95% of the game. Granted he kept trying but he scored with a shot that wasn’t much harder than a back pass. Fair play to the lad and I’m glad he did but that doesn’t make him Jamie fucking Vardy. If Bowyer thinks he was brilliant today then I know even less about football than I think I do. I clearly need to take a holiday from here for a bit.
Well said Gillis,
One of Vardy's first games for Leicester was at the valley and we beat them from memory 2-1 with Yann scoring twice.
Vardy missed 3 chances yet I thought he was a good prospect as he was so fast.
Jamie would have been 24 years old.
Personally think Bowyer slagged him off too much before and praised him OTT today But he took that added time goal with aplomb and at 200k looks a fucking bargain to me. Losing Taylor as his mentor for most of this season has cost us big time as I feel Macaulay would be on 20 goals, playing alongside Taylor for a whole season. 20 goals scored and 20 missed probably.
That how it works with decent strikers.
It was a Naki Wells miss at QPR after the shocking pass back set him up with even more time that Bonne had today which always look shocking.
I have spent time on here and at games defending him. I said after a league cup game I thought both him and Field would do well for us if they got Minutes.
Sam Field like Williams finds it hard to play more than 45 minutes, which is a shame as he is needed with Pratley out.
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Have to win on Wednesday. No guarantee Blackburn and Cardiff win or that the EFL doesn't reduce Wigan's points deduction.1
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Without that Bonne goal we'd be below Luton needing to beat or draw against Leeds and hope Luton lose. Massive goal15
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Oggy Red said:
Although the Wigan manager seems to think so:Talal said:
Until the Wigan deduction is 100% confirmed I'm not relying on it.bobmunro said:
I don't care if Hull finish above us.cafcfan1990 said:
Not necessarily, a point would be enough if we lost at Leeds.bobmunro said:soapboxsam said:The venom aimed at our players during a game is unreal. I guess you guys do the same at matches ?
Well done Bowyer for keeping Bonne on at the death, all the other experts thought he should come off because he misses chances. The fact he now has 3 in 5 games appears to count for nothing. Davidson was enthusiastic for 60 odd minutes and did his self proud but his first game for about 5 months in first team was always going to drain him.
I will give the match thread a wide berth on Wednesday as I seem to be out of kilter with the comments. Too many folk just want to bury Charlton and the players
I repeat the same message that I said after the Birmingham game. The whole team are giving 100% every 3 or 4 days despite their obvious limitations at times.
Naby Sarr did at least 3 great passes But being Naby, the cross for the first goal he had to try to stop with his Left foot not his right !
Still we live to fight another day and I'm still considering @bobmunro claim that's it best that either Hull or Luton win. A lot of ifs and Buts in there, but in Bob we trust.Very dangerous!My analysis assumes Wigan get the 12 point deduction - if they don't (and it's a possibility knowing the EFL), I still think a Hull win is better for us - they would have to beat Cardiff on the last day to go above us so - much tougher than Luton against Blackburn.
If Hull win, Luton are down. If Barnsley do not win tomorrow they are down. That would only leave Wigan who could overtake us - and they would need to beat Fulham last game - a draw wouldn't be enough. My thinking is that it is far more likely for Wigan not to win at Fulham than us taking a point at Leeds. Just percentages!!"When asked whether Latics would have been safe had they held on for three points, Cook didn't think twice.
"Yep, I genuinely did," he replied. "Now, we're going to have to win our last game against Fulham, and even then it might not be enough."
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Some Wigan reaction if anyone is interested
https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/charlton.106509/page-3
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After tomorrow Barnsley won't be able to catch us. As of Today Hull can't. So we have two teams below us who can. Wigan have to win and Luton have to draw if we lose. There is also the issue of Sheffield Wednesday. The hearing has ended so what are the EFL waiting for there? Maybe there is an issue in relation to Wednesday possibly staying up because of Wigan's deduction! I don't know why we have had no announcement, but if Wednesday were not found guilty, surely that will have been announced by now.0
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Some positive comments thereMattF said:Some Wigan reaction if anyone is interested
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And gets awarded even fewer penalties.LenGlover said:
How many penalties in the numbers above? How much better service do those stikers get? Bonne has scored 11 no penalties in a team that creates few chances.Callumcafc said:For comparison against Bonne’s 11/10 ratio goals to big misses.Ollie Watkins: 25 goals, 16 “big chances” missed
Mitrovic: 24 goals, 12 “big chances” missed
Grabban: 20 goals, 17 “big chances” missed
Wells: 18 goals, 11 “big chances” missed
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I think the uncertainty around the Wigan deduction is more being caused by media not including it in tables then any likelihood of it being overturned.Mind you, if it was and we went down in consequence I’m not sure who at Charlton would challenge it, given we don’t have any owners.11
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We are in a much better position than I was expecting to be come this time, thanks to Bonnie's equaliser. At the beginning of this season and given Our lack of transfer activity in the summer, I thought we had no chance of staying up. But we go into the last game of the season not in the relegation zone.
One more game to get it done. Play your kids Leeds - you know you want to5
