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  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,269
    bobmunro said:
    cabbles said:
    If Wednesday appeal, surely the timeframes are too tight now.  Surely all clubs and the league must know what divisions they’ll be playing in come Thursday morning, bar those in the play offs 

    They will.
    What do you think Bob?  Having a better insight than most perhaps.  I am thinking they’ll be deducted points, and I think it will be 12
  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,278
    Redrobo said:
    bobmunro said:
    cabbles said:
    If Wednesday appeal, surely the timeframes are too tight now.  Surely all clubs and the league must know what divisions they’ll be playing in come Thursday morning, bar those in the play offs 

    They will.
    I agree, but they are unable to bring any new evidence forward so it is difficult to understand what the grounds for appeal would be.
    Grounds will be 'we are a massive club and all Championship clubs rely on the revenue we generate'.
  • Briston_Addick
    Briston_Addick Posts: 11,926
    iaitch said:
    Redrobo said:
    bobmunro said:
    cabbles said:
    If Wednesday appeal, surely the timeframes are too tight now.  Surely all clubs and the league must know what divisions they’ll be playing in come Thursday morning, bar those in the play offs 

    They will.
    I agree, but they are unable to bring any new evidence forward so it is difficult to understand what the grounds for appeal would be.
    Grounds will be 'we are a massive club and all Championship clubs rely on the revenue we generate'.
    If they generate so much revenue for the other Second Division clubs how come they can't generate enough cash for themselves to operate in a legitimate manner without having to cheat like the Massive c***s that they have.
  • Richard J
    Richard J Posts: 8,034
    Briston_Addick said:
    iaitch said:
    Redrobo said:
    bobmunro said:
    cabbles said:
    If Wednesday appeal, surely the timeframes are too tight now.  Surely all clubs and the league must know what divisions they’ll be playing in come Thursday morning, bar those in the play offs 

    They will.
    I agree, but they are unable to bring any new evidence forward so it is difficult to understand what the grounds for appeal would be.
    Grounds will be 'we are a massive club and all Championship clubs rely on the revenue we generate'.
    If they generate so much revenue for the other Second Division clubs how come they can't generate enough cash for themselves to operate in a legitimate manner without having to cheat like the Massive c***s that they have.
    So it would actually better for the football world if they were in L1  

    Then the likes of Accrington can look forward to a massive pay day. 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,816
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    golfaddick said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    One thing is absolutely certain in all this, Sheffield Wednesday fans have delusions of grandeur and forget they support a rubbish championship side.


    "I am sure our lawyers have spelt out all the things that we plan to throw at them if the decision goes our way. And I recon the main one will be cause as must disruption to the EFL as possible. So they are almost scared into not sending us down"

    "If they really wanted to give us a proper punishment of say 12+ points. Then we would have found out weeks ago so we knew exactly what we needed in order to survive"

    "I have believed from day one that there is no way that a club would ever be relegated under these circumstances"

    "The EFL don’t want to relegate us. So they are waiting to see how many points we have. If 12 points take us down they will enforce it next season"

    "The EFL will not wish to lose Sheffield Wednesday with the likes of Barnsley, Hull, and Luton in the bottom three"

    "It’s teams like Wednesday who bring in the TV revenues. They’d prefer to lose smaller clubs than the bigger clubs"


    What an absolutely 'massive' bunch of pricks.
    I agree with one thing that SW poster said. The EFL are waiting to see the final table before administering a points deduction. Now whether that's enough points to relegate them or not many so they stay up I have no idea.......but its the only logic that makes sense.
    It's not the EFL's decision.

    Hence why the appeal was heard by an independent commission.
    I would have thought the Independent Commission was there to hear the facts & decide on whether they were innocent or guilty. The punishment surely should come from the EFL. Otherwise another "Independent" Commission could come up with a different punishment for the same offence.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,507
    Do decisions need to be made before next season starts.

    Having looked at the EFL's current work load and the fact they are a bunch of greedy, lazy bastards, I can't see it.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,336
    golfaddick said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    golfaddick said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    One thing is absolutely certain in all this, Sheffield Wednesday fans have delusions of grandeur and forget they support a rubbish championship side.


    "I am sure our lawyers have spelt out all the things that we plan to throw at them if the decision goes our way. And I recon the main one will be cause as must disruption to the EFL as possible. So they are almost scared into not sending us down"

    "If they really wanted to give us a proper punishment of say 12+ points. Then we would have found out weeks ago so we knew exactly what we needed in order to survive"

    "I have believed from day one that there is no way that a club would ever be relegated under these circumstances"

    "The EFL don’t want to relegate us. So they are waiting to see how many points we have. If 12 points take us down they will enforce it next season"

    "The EFL will not wish to lose Sheffield Wednesday with the likes of Barnsley, Hull, and Luton in the bottom three"

    "It’s teams like Wednesday who bring in the TV revenues. They’d prefer to lose smaller clubs than the bigger clubs"


    What an absolutely 'massive' bunch of pricks.
    I agree with one thing that SW poster said. The EFL are waiting to see the final table before administering a points deduction. Now whether that's enough points to relegate them or not many so they stay up I have no idea.......but its the only logic that makes sense.
    It's not the EFL's decision.

    Hence why the appeal was heard by an independent commission.
    I would have thought the Independent Commission was there to hear the facts & decide on whether they were innocent or guilty. The punishment surely should come from the EFL. Otherwise another "Independent" Commission could come up with a different punishment for the same offence.
    I don’t think so as it was the EFL that appealed the fact that Mansfield were only given a further 2 point deduction by an independent panel.

    My understanding is that the panel can increase a punishment beyond the guides and can also mitigate as well.

    I am hoping that it is all in appeal now. It would be totally unacceptable for the punishment not to be decided before the season ended. After all, this is the reason it was all bought forward.
  • Pedro45
    Pedro45 Posts: 5,850
    Redrobo said:
    golfaddick said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    golfaddick said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    One thing is absolutely certain in all this, Sheffield Wednesday fans have delusions of grandeur and forget they support a rubbish championship side.


    "I am sure our lawyers have spelt out all the things that we plan to throw at them if the decision goes our way. And I recon the main one will be cause as must disruption to the EFL as possible. So they are almost scared into not sending us down"

    "If they really wanted to give us a proper punishment of say 12+ points. Then we would have found out weeks ago so we knew exactly what we needed in order to survive"

    "I have believed from day one that there is no way that a club would ever be relegated under these circumstances"

    "The EFL don’t want to relegate us. So they are waiting to see how many points we have. If 12 points take us down they will enforce it next season"

    "The EFL will not wish to lose Sheffield Wednesday with the likes of Barnsley, Hull, and Luton in the bottom three"

    "It’s teams like Wednesday who bring in the TV revenues. They’d prefer to lose smaller clubs than the bigger clubs"


    What an absolutely 'massive' bunch of pricks.
    I agree with one thing that SW poster said. The EFL are waiting to see the final table before administering a points deduction. Now whether that's enough points to relegate them or not many so they stay up I have no idea.......but its the only logic that makes sense.
    It's not the EFL's decision.

    Hence why the appeal was heard by an independent commission.
    I would have thought the Independent Commission was there to hear the facts & decide on whether they were innocent or guilty. The punishment surely should come from the EFL. Otherwise another "Independent" Commission could come up with a different punishment for the same offence.
    I don’t think so as it was the EFL that appealed the fact that Mansfield were only given a further 2 point deduction by an independent panel.

    My understanding is that the panel can increase a punishment beyond the guides and can also mitigate as well.

    I am hoping that it is all in appeal now. It would be totally unacceptable for the punishment not to be decided before the season ended. After all, this is the reason it was all bought forward.
    Mansfield or Macclesfield???
  • Tunwellsaddick
    Tunwellsaddick Posts: 2,455
    Barnsley win!  ):
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,976
    With Barnsley winning today ...... should Sheff Weds get a 12-point deduction, they're right now bottom of the League - only they don't know it yet! :smile:



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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,028
    Oggy Red said:
    With Barnsley winning today ...... should Sheff Weds get a 12-point deduction, they're right now bottom of the League - only they don't know it yet! :smile:


    If they've got a 12-pt deduction then Wednesday are down!!

    44-pts means they cant catch anyone above them
  • Ferryman
    Ferryman Posts: 2,922
    golfaddick said:
    peterreeves said:
    It's all speculation but Detective Muttleys thoughts are bang on.. So much so that I'm now relying on them to come true!! 🤣

    You see I have grave doubts about a point being enough on Wednesday let alone a win especially if we have no Matthews and Pearce... Ayling, Alioski and Hernandez will tear us apart.. a bit like that opening first 20 minutes at home where we should have been 3 nil down.

    I've watched Leeds a few times this season with my old boss who is a massive Leeds fan and they can be utterly relentless going forward...to the optimists yes.... I will have some very large humble pie ready but we are not going to get anything from Leeds in my personal opinion. 

    We need a Sheffield points deduction to stand a chance as I fear Luton will do enough, Wigan will probably edge it and don't be surprised if Barnsley turn up too just to feck it all up. 

    Yes the fight and passion we gave yesterday was brilliant.. I couldn't have asked more... BUT where was it against Reading, Millwall, Hudders away and my personal favourite Derby away which will stick in the mind for a long while....toothless. 

    To suddenly turn up now is too little too late. 

    A Miracle please or League one beckons... 

    Okay... Now bring on the optimists.🤣












    Ok, here's a contrarian view....... 

    Wigan HAVE to win. Anything else & they are down

    Luton HAVE to get something out of their game, and even then that might not be enough. 

    We dont.

    Is that optimistic enough for you  ?
    And Barnsley have to win, they just made Wednesday even more unpleasant.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,090
    Pedro45 said:
    Redrobo said:
    golfaddick said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    golfaddick said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    One thing is absolutely certain in all this, Sheffield Wednesday fans have delusions of grandeur and forget they support a rubbish championship side.


    "I am sure our lawyers have spelt out all the things that we plan to throw at them if the decision goes our way. And I recon the main one will be cause as must disruption to the EFL as possible. So they are almost scared into not sending us down"

    "If they really wanted to give us a proper punishment of say 12+ points. Then we would have found out weeks ago so we knew exactly what we needed in order to survive"

    "I have believed from day one that there is no way that a club would ever be relegated under these circumstances"

    "The EFL don’t want to relegate us. So they are waiting to see how many points we have. If 12 points take us down they will enforce it next season"

    "The EFL will not wish to lose Sheffield Wednesday with the likes of Barnsley, Hull, and Luton in the bottom three"

    "It’s teams like Wednesday who bring in the TV revenues. They’d prefer to lose smaller clubs than the bigger clubs"


    What an absolutely 'massive' bunch of pricks.
    I agree with one thing that SW poster said. The EFL are waiting to see the final table before administering a points deduction. Now whether that's enough points to relegate them or not many so they stay up I have no idea.......but its the only logic that makes sense.
    It's not the EFL's decision.

    Hence why the appeal was heard by an independent commission.
    I would have thought the Independent Commission was there to hear the facts & decide on whether they were innocent or guilty. The punishment surely should come from the EFL. Otherwise another "Independent" Commission could come up with a different punishment for the same offence.
    I don’t think so as it was the EFL that appealed the fact that Mansfield were only given a further 2 point deduction by an independent panel.

    My understanding is that the panel can increase a punishment beyond the guides and can also mitigate as well.

    I am hoping that it is all in appeal now. It would be totally unacceptable for the punishment not to be decided before the season ended. After all, this is the reason it was all bought forward.
    Mansfield or Macclesfield???
    Confident he meant Macclesfield. 
  • Cordoban Addick
    Cordoban Addick Posts: 5,448
    SideshowBob said:
    Cordoban Addick said:
    Fulham have to go for it, the play offs are too much of a lottery to not try to get in the top two. WBA are not in form and a draw is no good for Brentford if Fulham win. 

    I may even forgive Scotty Parker a little if they do they beat Wigan, preferably by half time so I can relax.
    I still wouldn't be able to fully relax if they were beating Wigan at half-time.  They were 3-0 up against Sheffield Wednesday at half-time yesterday, and they almost blew it... and Wigan are better than Wednesday.
    I was thinking 3-0 up at HT, but might revise that to 4.
  • SideshowBob
    SideshowBob Posts: 36
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Oggy Red said:
    With Barnsley winning today ...... should Sheff Weds get a 12-point deduction, they're right now bottom of the League - only they don't know it yet! :smile:


    If they've got a 12-pt deduction then Wednesday are down!!

    44-pts means they cant catch anyone above them
    Unless Wigan also get their -12.  Then we'd have Wednesday on 44, Hull on 45, and Barnsley and Wigan on 46.  So Wednesday could overtake all three of them with a win against Boro, providing Wigan lose and the others both fail to win.
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,815
    I’ll say it one more time . Sheffield Wednesday will NOT be getting a 12 point deduction this season . The EFL do not have the balls to do it . 
  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
    Bedsaddick said:
    I’ll say it one more time . Sheffield Wednesday will NOT be getting a 12 point deduction this season . The EFL do not have the balls to do it . 
    Think it's the independent panel that apply any points deduction based on the rules of the EFL, whether they have the balls or not is anyone's guess
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,815
    MattF said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    I’ll say it one more time . Sheffield Wednesday will NOT be getting a 12 point deduction this season . The EFL do not have the balls to do it . 
    Think it's the independent panel that apply any points deduction based on the rules of the EFL, whether they have the balls or not is anyone's guess
    Independent or not . It won’t happen . 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,816
    Bedsaddick said:
    I’ll say it one more time . Sheffield Wednesday will NOT be getting a 12 point deduction this season . The EFL do not have the balls to do it . 
    Why do they not have the balls to do it ?  SW are just another club & were in League 1 a few years back. They are nothing special. If we get relegated because nothing gets done about them then there will be ructions I can tell you. 

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  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,815
    golfaddick said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    I’ll say it one more time . Sheffield Wednesday will NOT be getting a 12 point deduction this season . The EFL do not have the balls to do it . 
    Why do they not have the balls to do it ?  SW are just another club & were in League 1 a few years back. They are nothing special. If we get relegated because nothing gets done about them then there will be ructions I can tell you. 
    Trust me . It won’t happen . There’s nothing more I’d like to say than I was wrong but I won’t be . 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,032
    Wednesday haven't been in the Premier League for TWENTY years now, they're certainly not too big to be given a big punishment
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,976
    Bedsaddick said:
    golfaddick said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    I’ll say it one more time . Sheffield Wednesday will NOT be getting a 12 point deduction this season . The EFL do not have the balls to do it . 
    Why do they not have the balls to do it ?  SW are just another club & were in League 1 a few years back. They are nothing special. If we get relegated because nothing gets done about them then there will be ructions I can tell you. 
    Trust me . It won’t happen . There’s nothing more I’d like to say than I was wrong but I won’t be . 
    Beds, what do you already know that the rest of us don't?
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,815
    edited July 2020
    Oggy Red said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    golfaddick said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    I’ll say it one more time . Sheffield Wednesday will NOT be getting a 12 point deduction this season . The EFL do not have the balls to do it . 
    Why do they not have the balls to do it ?  SW are just another club & were in League 1 a few years back. They are nothing special. If we get relegated because nothing gets done about them then there will be ructions I can tell you. 
    Trust me . It won’t happen . There’s nothing more I’d like to say than I was wrong but I won’t be . 
    Beds, what do you already know that the rest of us don't?
    That we aren’t lucky ( or big enough ) to enough get an advantage of a Sheffield Wednesday points deduction. It won’t happen . Just wait and see. They may get a points deduction but not enough to get relegated.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,976
    Bedsaddick said:
    Oggy Red said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    golfaddick said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    I’ll say it one more time . Sheffield Wednesday will NOT be getting a 12 point deduction this season . The EFL do not have the balls to do it . 
    Why do they not have the balls to do it ?  SW are just another club & were in League 1 a few years back. They are nothing special. If we get relegated because nothing gets done about them then there will be ructions I can tell you. 
    Trust me . It won’t happen . There’s nothing more I’d like to say than I was wrong but I won’t be . 
    Beds, what do you already know that the rest of us don't?
    That we aren’t lucky ( or big enough ) to enough get an advantage of a Sheffield Wednesday points deduction. It won’t happen . Just wait and see. They may get a points deduction but not enough to get relegated.
    Thanks for the reply, Beds.

    I was thinking that maybe you'd had a tip off from someone ITK.

  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,815
    Oggy Red said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    Oggy Red said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    golfaddick said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    I’ll say it one more time . Sheffield Wednesday will NOT be getting a 12 point deduction this season . The EFL do not have the balls to do it . 
    Why do they not have the balls to do it ?  SW are just another club & were in League 1 a few years back. They are nothing special. If we get relegated because nothing gets done about them then there will be ructions I can tell you. 
    Trust me . It won’t happen . There’s nothing more I’d like to say than I was wrong but I won’t be . 
    Beds, what do you already know that the rest of us don't?
    That we aren’t lucky ( or big enough ) to enough get an advantage of a Sheffield Wednesday points deduction. It won’t happen . Just wait and see. They may get a points deduction but not enough to get relegated.
    Thanks for the reply, Beds.

    I was thinking that maybe you'd had a tip off from someone ITK.

    Sadly no 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,886
    Any points deduction will be applied next season as a “compromise” IMO.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,422
    I think it either happens today or it's not gonna be this season.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,244
    golfaddick said: If we get relegated because nothing gets done about them then there will be ructions I can tell you. 
    By who ? 

    We don’t even know which set of c***s own us ffs we are the joke of all jokes amongst a shower of jokes in The Championship
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    I still think the reason there has been no publicised outcome to the hearing so far is because they are going to relegate Wednesday.

    Either straight relegation or 21 point deduction on Wednesday night/Thursday morning.

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