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Barnsley threatening EFL ahead of Disciplinary action for Wednesday, Derby & Birmingham
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Typical Daily Mail..read one thing from the EFL them make up the rest to get all us fans all incensed...toilet rag!9
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That Daily Mail piece, the whole basis of the fact the points deduction would be carried over to next year is because it wouldn’t be possible to complete appeals etc in time.
But no mention that in that case the clubs that are relegated would appeal - and they would have the same amount of time to complete an appeal process.
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I thought the Wigan appeal went in about two weeks ago, which is how long it takes to decide3
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The above is a fair point and one that hadn't crossed my mind. If the clubs threatened with points deductions are having them put off until next season due to the length of appeal process. What happens if the clubs relegated decide to appeal ? There may be a situation where nobody gets relegated !! Now that would be weird. To be honest whatever the EFL now is going to cause no end of problems for them.. funny if it wasnt so sadstackitsteve said:That Daily Mail piece, the whole basis of the fact the points deduction would be carried over to next year is because it wouldn’t be possible to complete appeals etc in time.
But no mention that in that case the clubs that are relegated would appeal - and they would have the same amount of time to complete an appeal process.1 -
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What a shambles. The EFL have completely lost control of their own league. It's mystifying how it's got to this point.
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I honestly think there making it up now. Do what would cause less outrage, in that case that's sheff Weds safeGarrymanilow said:What a shambles. The EFL have completely lost control of their own league. It's mystifying how it's got to this point.3 -
Yup totally agree. It is so obvious... we are about to get shafted even if we manage a win on Wedesday. Some obscure EFL statement will be issued saying as we havent produced the required paperwork take a points deduction. IMO there is no chance they will give SW a points deduction that will relegate themAdTheAddicK said:
I honestly think there making it up now. Do what would cause less outrage, in that case that's sheff Weds safeGarrymanilow said:What a shambles. The EFL have completely lost control of their own league. It's mystifying how it's got to this point.3 -
EFL are a trade organization, blame the clubs including our own for the failures in firstly making the rules and secondly in administrating them.2
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It would keep Barnsley below us, though. So a Chef Wendy 12-point deduction would then be enough for us - even with both Luton and Wigan winning.bolloxbolder said:A point is no good for us if Luton and Wigan win.0 -
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Am I going nuts here? I thought Wigan weren't able to appeal as the 12 points for administration is a set penalty, one that doesn't confer the right of appeal?1
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EFL said something like they can appeal, even though there are no grounds for doing so.Leroy Ambrose said:Am I going nuts here? I thought Wigan weren't able to appeal as the 12 points for administration is a set penalty, one that doesn't confer the right of appeal?1 -
Football has been my number one passion ever since i can remember . I talk about it all the time and read and watch all about the beautiful game whenever i can but for the first time ever in my life i'm fed up of it.
It's not beautiful anymore . It's rotten to the core , whether that be Charlton , The EFL , The Premier League , FiFA or EUFA.
I'm sick to death of it . I'm 51 years old and i'm falling out of love with the sport that's been my life and it's a crying shame.37 -
Mate dont worry it will get sorted it has to. Maybe not in time to save us but as a sport this cannot continue there will have to be some sort of re balance. We all know the EFL isnt fit for purpose and eventually government will have to step in and regulate the sportBedsaddick said:Football has been number one passion ever since i can remember . I talk about it all the time and read and watch all about the beautiful game whenever i can but for the first time ever in my life i'm fed up of it.
It's not beautiful anymore . It's rotten to the core , whether that be Charlton , The EFL , The Premier League , FiFA or EUFA.
I'm sick to death of it . I'm 51 years old and i'm falling out of love with the sport that's been my life and it's a crying shame.2 -
Too much money at stake for that to happen in a meaningful way that benefits supporters.AndyG said:
Mate dont worry it will get sorted it has to. Maybe not in time to save us but as a sport this cannot continue there will have to be some sort of re balance. We all know the EFL isnt fit for purpose and eventually government will have to step in and regulate the sportBedsaddick said:Football has been number one passion ever since i can remember . I talk about it all the time and read and watch all about the beautiful game whenever i can but for the first time ever in my life i'm fed up of it.
It's not beautiful anymore . It's rotten to the core , whether that be Charlton , The EFL , The Premier League , FiFA or EUFA.
I'm sick to death of it . I'm 51 years old and i'm falling out of love with the sport that's been my life and it's a crying shame.Any potential reform will be centred around the premier league and what they think is best. Which will be b-teams filling the EFL.3 -
For years I've tried to separate the two so that I'm able to enjoy Charlton whilst ignore the rotten shit going on in the backgroundBedsaddick said:Football has been my number one passion ever since i can remember . I talk about it all the time and read and watch all about the beautiful game whenever i can but for the first time ever in my life i'm fed up of it.
It's not beautiful anymore . It's rotten to the core , whether that be Charlton , The EFL , The Premier League , FiFA or EUFA.
I'm sick to death of it . I'm 51 years old and i'm falling out of love with the sport that's been my life and it's a crying shame.
Recently though its just happening far too often to be able to ignore it and thats nothing to do with the fact that Charlton themselves are ran so poorly now so are more involved
The s**t that both Bury and Wigan fans have had to go through isnt right and it certainly makes the sport less enjoyable20 -
With you on that. I'm seriously close to being done with it all.Bedsaddick said:Football has been my number one passion ever since i can remember . I talk about it all the time and read and watch all about the beautiful game whenever i can but for the first time ever in my life i'm fed up of it.
It's not beautiful anymore . It's rotten to the core , whether that be Charlton , The EFL , The Premier League , FiFA or EUFA.
I'm sick to death of it . I'm 51 years old and i'm falling out of love with the sport that's been my life and it's a crying shame.4 -
Been feeling like that for a couple of years now. I’m nowhere near as fanatical as I once was. Money hasn’t ruined football but it’s the greedy and crooked bastards that it’s attracted.7
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Take Scottish Football for example - What with Hearts kicking up a stink over their harsh relegation, there was talk of reforming the Scottish Pyramid so the relegated teams from all three Divisions didnt get screwed overLeeds_Addick said:
Too much money at stake for that to happen in a meaningful way that benefits supporters.AndyG said:
Mate dont worry it will get sorted it has to. Maybe not in time to save us but as a sport this cannot continue there will have to be some sort of re balance. We all know the EFL isnt fit for purpose and eventually government will have to step in and regulate the sportBedsaddick said:Football has been number one passion ever since i can remember . I talk about it all the time and read and watch all about the beautiful game whenever i can but for the first time ever in my life i'm fed up of it.
It's not beautiful anymore . It's rotten to the core , whether that be Charlton , The EFL , The Premier League , FiFA or EUFA.
I'm sick to death of it . I'm 51 years old and i'm falling out of love with the sport that's been my life and it's a crying shame.Any potential reform will be centred around the premier league and what they think is best. Which will be b-teams filling the EFL.
Nothing happened because teams wouldnt work together yet of course, the only way the Old Firm were going to agree to it was if they had their "B" teams in the bottom tier that could play up to the Division behind the SPL!!1 -
You have summed up how I feel. The beautiful game is about a competitive game played in a fair and honest manor. A game where cheats are pointed out and castigated.ForeverAddickted said:
For years I've tried to separate the two so that I'm able to enjoy Charlton whilst ignore the rotten shit going on in the backgroundBedsaddick said:Football has been my number one passion ever since i can remember . I talk about it all the time and read and watch all about the beautiful game whenever i can but for the first time ever in my life i'm fed up of it.
It's not beautiful anymore . It's rotten to the core , whether that be Charlton , The EFL , The Premier League , FiFA or EUFA.
I'm sick to death of it . I'm 51 years old and i'm falling out of love with the sport that's been my life and it's a crying shame.
Recently though its just happening far too often to be able to ignore it and thats nothing to do with the fact that Charlton themselves are ran so poorly now so are more involved
The s**t that both Bury and Wigan fans have had to go through isnt right and it certainly makes the sport less enjoyableThe lowest of the low in sport is a cheat.Or was.Now we have the EFL who can take sport below that by actually supporting cheats. It is a National disgrace and needs a national response. Football needs to be returned to the community it belongs to in some form. The Government that takes this on will get my support for ever.4 -
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Now we have a situation where nearly half the league is to be decided on points deductions. Its not sport.Redrobo said:
You have summed up how I feel. The beautiful game is about a competitive game played in a fair and honest manor. A game where cheats are pointed out and castigated.ForeverAddickted said:
For years I've tried to separate the two so that I'm able to enjoy Charlton whilst ignore the rotten shit going on in the backgroundBedsaddick said:Football has been my number one passion ever since i can remember . I talk about it all the time and read and watch all about the beautiful game whenever i can but for the first time ever in my life i'm fed up of it.
It's not beautiful anymore . It's rotten to the core , whether that be Charlton , The EFL , The Premier League , FiFA or EUFA.
I'm sick to death of it . I'm 51 years old and i'm falling out of love with the sport that's been my life and it's a crying shame.
Recently though its just happening far too often to be able to ignore it and thats nothing to do with the fact that Charlton themselves are ran so poorly now so are more involved
The s**t that both Bury and Wigan fans have had to go through isnt right and it certainly makes the sport less enjoyableThe lowest of the low in sport is a cheat.Or was.Now we have the EFL who can take sport below that by actually supporting cheats. It is a National disgrace and needs a national response. Football needs to be returned to the community it belongs to in some form. The Government that takes this on will get my support for ever.4 -
Football fans are regarded as the lowest of the low in this country, despite the large numbers that attend it appears we'll never shake the hooliganism tag from the 70s / 80sRedrobo said:
You have summed up how I feel. The beautiful game is about a competitive game played in a fair and honest manor. A game where cheats are pointed out and castigated.ForeverAddickted said:
For years I've tried to separate the two so that I'm able to enjoy Charlton whilst ignore the rotten shit going on in the backgroundBedsaddick said:Football has been my number one passion ever since i can remember . I talk about it all the time and read and watch all about the beautiful game whenever i can but for the first time ever in my life i'm fed up of it.
It's not beautiful anymore . It's rotten to the core , whether that be Charlton , The EFL , The Premier League , FiFA or EUFA.
I'm sick to death of it . I'm 51 years old and i'm falling out of love with the sport that's been my life and it's a crying shame.
Recently though its just happening far too often to be able to ignore it and thats nothing to do with the fact that Charlton themselves are ran so poorly now so are more involved
The s**t that both Bury and Wigan fans have had to go through isnt right and it certainly makes the sport less enjoyableThe lowest of the low in sport is a cheat.Or was.Now we have the EFL who can take sport below that by actually supporting cheats. It is a National disgrace and needs a national response. Football needs to be returned to the community it belongs to in some form. The Government that takes this on will get my support for ever.
Look at how our fans got treated by police (thanks to one idiot) after returning to London from West Brom away earlier in the season
No Government will truly care about supporting us in their policies as beyond the Premier League teams are seen as nothing entities because we're not high profile enough
Certainly no team will care enough about those in the EFL once they reach the Premier League because they'll be relieved that they're no longer under that governing body1 -
The only way I can see something happening that will get the sport back to a respectable place is if a law is passed and then clubs somehow are brave enough to break away from the EFL and create their own league with their own TV and branding rights, for fairer distribution. Otherwise, we are going to be left with hardly any professional clubs and we will completely lose the pyramid which makes English football what it is.It might sound ridiculous, but how else is it going to change when it is clear no one from top to bottom 1) knows what they’re doing, and 2) is fit for purpose.5
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Personally, I think this is not as far fetched as it might initially sound. If the Premier league want to screw smaller clubs, an anti Premier league could be formed. I mean, most clubs are not going to ever see the riches of the Champions League or get close to winning the League.Sage said:The only way I can see something happening that will get the sport back to a respectable place is if a law is passed and then clubs somehow are brave enough to break away from the EFL and create their own league with their own TV and branding rights, for fairer distribution. Otherwise, we are going to be left with hardly any professional clubs and we will completely lose the pyramid which makes English football what it is.It might sound ridiculous, but how else is it going to change when it is clear no one from top to bottom 1) knows what they’re doing, and 2) is fit for purpose.
It could align with foreign clubs and form its own international competitions too and be built around individual teams competing against each other within a framework that is centred around the common good. It could attract a lot of fans disillusioned with football today. It could have strict wage limits and ban agents.1 -
I've wondered that myself but how long is it before that new "Football League" becomes as badly managed and ran as the current versionSage said:The only way I can see something happening that will get the sport back to a respectable place is if a law is passed and then clubs somehow are brave enough to break away from the EFL and create their own league with their own TV and branding rights, for fairer distribution. Otherwise, we are going to be left with hardly any professional clubs and we will completely lose the pyramid which makes English football what it is.It might sound ridiculous, but how else is it going to change when it is clear no one from top to bottom 1) knows what they’re doing, and 2) is fit for purpose.
Unfortunately because of the last bit of your post I dont know of anyone who could come in, control the new league and keep its values firmly in check that contain it from becoming like the current EFL?
It doesnt help when you've got the likes of Salford City ploughing their way through the Non-League pyramid, e.g. You had Andy Holt having that social media spat with Gary Neville around the start of the season about buying their way into the Football League at the cost of other more historic clubs, in a way Neville was right when he retorted saying that Accrington Stanley had virtually done the same thing - My point is that the EFL will to continue to ignore clubs that drop out of their "club" because you'll have plenty of Non-League clubs willing to take the incredibly stupid financial risk to replace them - And if it gets to the point where there arent any Non-League Clubs to replace the EFL ones disappearing then thats fine because thats when we can use "B" teams to plug the gap.
Football in this country has simply turned into one giant pig trough... Pigs will come along and just try and milk as much money as they can from it before the next leech comes along
The ONLY time we'll see any remote change is if SKY and BT suddenly go bust because there will be the biggest panic in this country as you'll have nearly every club from top to bottom suddenly shitting themselves because there really will be no money left, unfortunately with the likes of Amazon Prime jumping on board that isnt going to happen anytime soon so the only other way there will be remote change is if one of the top six get into serious financial difficulty
Although they shouldnt worry as no doubt like Aston Villa when they were in the Championship recently, they'll get bailed out and helped to remain where they are!!2 -
But it is. Cheats get called out in every sport. Deductions are applied because teams have not complied with the rules.Leeds_Addick said:
Now we have a situation where nearly half the league is to be decided on points deductions. Its not sport.Redrobo said:
You have summed up how I feel. The beautiful game is about a competitive game played in a fair and honest manor. A game where cheats are pointed out and castigated.ForeverAddickted said:
For years I've tried to separate the two so that I'm able to enjoy Charlton whilst ignore the rotten shit going on in the backgroundBedsaddick said:Football has been my number one passion ever since i can remember . I talk about it all the time and read and watch all about the beautiful game whenever i can but for the first time ever in my life i'm fed up of it.
It's not beautiful anymore . It's rotten to the core , whether that be Charlton , The EFL , The Premier League , FiFA or EUFA.
I'm sick to death of it . I'm 51 years old and i'm falling out of love with the sport that's been my life and it's a crying shame.
Recently though its just happening far too often to be able to ignore it and thats nothing to do with the fact that Charlton themselves are ran so poorly now so are more involved
The s**t that both Bury and Wigan fans have had to go through isnt right and it certainly makes the sport less enjoyableThe lowest of the low in sport is a cheat.Or was.Now we have the EFL who can take sport below that by actually supporting cheats. It is a National disgrace and needs a national response. Football needs to be returned to the community it belongs to in some form. The Government that takes this on will get my support for ever.
No one has an issue with a team playing an illegible player being denied a win in a cup competition, or in a game because it is against the rules. It happens in kids football.SW, Derby, Birmingham and a few more have effectively been doing this by ignoring the rules and paying players that they could not buy and pay if they had stuck to the rules.
What is worse is that the owners are the very people who make the rules. Some of them nod in agreement, and then walk out thinking f**k that, I will do what I like and do better than I should.Football will be better, or sport as you call it, will be far better if the cheats get relegated and clubs like Luton, Barnsley and Wigan survive.
F**k em. They deserve nothing and I hope that they get less than that,3 -
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What I find sad is that we have one of the best endings to a League season ever, with no team yet relegated, yet by 10pm Wednesday no-one can say for sure if they are relegated or safe. You should be able to be jumping for joy or kicking the cat, but everyone will be a but meh saying......yeh but.
What a fucking dampner.
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This whole situation confirms what we all know,that the EFL are a not fit for purpose shambles.They wanted the clubs to decide on the outcome of the league had they not been able to finish the fixtures ,shirking their reponsibility.It is taking months to decide what to do about the cheats,and months to try and bring some semblance of understanding what is happening at Charlton.Seriously,what do they do all day,how many of them are just sitting their in enormous leather armchairs knocking back the brandy,and getting paid fortunes.
It aint hard,
Right lads,this club is guilty 21 points deduction and so on.Overnight the cheating stops.Lets see Derby pay Rooney 80k a week in league 1.1
