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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    I must admit, when I learned of details from that day when we sent Palace down, I don't think he comes out of it well. Fans can get away with it, but he acted in a classless way from what I have read. 
  • alburyaddick
    alburyaddick Posts: 574
    Defending Richard on here has never been popular and I always get slated for it but the only time in the 50 years since I've been supporting when we had a really competitive top class team for 10 years full of international players or so was because of him.
    It is the principal reason I have a Shaun Bartlett international shirt and a Lisbie shirt from after the LIverpool win on my walls. 
    Before then and after then it has either been 2nd or 3rd rate or worse. He has lost loads of money in the club, offered to discount his largest share of the £7m loans to get a decent new owner ( still not forthcoming). The incident with Jordan might not have been sensible but he thought Jordan had been rude and football is an emotional game and he hates Palace like we do. I believe falling out with Peter Varney ( which is very sad because they were a great team and Richard was always very complimentary about Peter) was basically about money which wouldnt be the first or last time that has happened in life. I'm sure Richard would admit he has made mistakes notably over the appointment of Dowie and personally I think he should have stepped down from the Board when Duchatelet arrived.
    However we all make mistakes 
    Finally, he attends matches because he is a fan. Generally our owners either don't attend matches and /or aren't fans. 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited July 2020
    Why doesn't he try to fix his mistakes then? Acknowledge them at least or try to work with Duchatelet to help us find a solution to this mess.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,010
    rememberbillybonds said:
    I do not believe Murray wishes any bad outcome for Charlton.
    he went too far with his spat with Jordon by appointing Dowie.
    he was not openly supportive of the club during the RD time, but I do not believe would harm the club.
    I don't think he'd openly set out to harm the club........but he would probably do whatever he could to stop Varney taking over.
  • Isawsummersplay
    Isawsummersplay Posts: 1,427
    Even when the club could be on the verge of extinction, you still think he would put a spoke in Mr Varney's efforts?
    Surely, he would be vilified beyond redemption if he were to do this?
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    alburyaddick said:
    Defending Richard on here has never been popular and I always get slated for it but the only time in the 50 years since I've been supporting when we had a really competitive top class team for 10 years full of international players or so was because of him.
    It is the principal reason I have a Shaun Bartlett international shirt and a Lisbie shirt from after the LIverpool win on my walls. 
    Before then and after then it has either been 2nd or 3rd rate or worse. He has lost loads of money in the club, offered to discount his largest share of the £7m loans to get a decent new owner ( still not forthcoming). The incident with Jordan might not have been sensible but he thought Jordan had been rude and football is an emotional game and he hates Palace like we do. I believe falling out with Peter Varney ( which is very sad because they were a great team and Richard was always very complimentary about Peter) was basically about money which wouldnt be the first or last time that has happened in life. I'm sure Richard would admit he has made mistakes notably over the appointment of Dowie and personally I think he should have stepped down from the Board when Duchatelet arrived.
    However we all make mistakes 
    Finally, he attends matches because he is a fan. Generally our owners either don't attend matches and /or aren't fans. 
    He played a big part in our successful era, but to say it was due to him is in my opinion not correct as there was at least equally if not a bigger role played by Curbishley for starters.  And that is before we get into so many others, it was a proper team effort on and off the pitch.
  • CAFCDAZ
    CAFCDAZ Posts: 1,198
    If you were to build a list of the positives and negatives of Richard Murrays involvement in charlton, unfortunately that list weighs heavily in the wrong way. 
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    All about ego with that twat 
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    Isawsummersplay said:
    Even when the club could be on the verge of extinction, you still think he would put a spoke in Mr Varney's efforts?
    Surely, he would be vilified beyond redemption if he were to do this?
    I have absolutely no doubt Richard Murray's aim will be to be seen to ride to the rescue himself. That won't involve working with Peter Varney. Quite the opposite.
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  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,459
    Airman Brown said:
    Isawsummersplay said:
    Even when the club could be on the verge of extinction, you still think he would put a spoke in Mr Varney's efforts?
    Surely, he would be vilified beyond redemption if he were to do this?
    I have absolutely no doubt Richard Murray's aim will be to be seen to ride to the rescue himself. That won't involve working with Peter Varney. Quite the opposite.
     Been there. Done that.....numerous times.

    Dont really think that’s his forté
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,881
    SuedeAdidas said:
    DoctorCharlton said:
    I'm not very clued up on this subject, why do Murray and Varney have beef with each other?
    RM maintained that Notorious B.I.G was the best rapper of his generation. 

    PV was having none of it and countered that in fact Tupac was “the shizzle”. 
    I heard that varney was the biggy fan
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    DoctorCharlton said:
    I'm not very clued up on this subject, why do Murray and Varney have beef with each other?
    Because neither are vegans, and they prefer beef to lamb or pork...
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited July 2020
    What Murray did which was successful was to bring in the right man and let him run the key aspects of the club. When he was unsuccessful, he tried to do those things himself. He has clearly demonstrated over the years that finding Curbs was immense good fortune and his ego decided to believe his own publicity. Murray was lucky, not talented in any way shape or form and we have seen him look down on fans and get into bed with people damaging to the club. We got that, his stupid ego seems to have still prevented him doing so. The further away from the club he is, the better. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    What Murray did which was successful was to bring in the right man and let him run the key aspects of the club. When he was unsuccessful, he tried to do those things himself. He has clearly demonstrated over the years that finding Curbs was immense good fortune and his ego decided to believe his own publicity. Murray was lucky, not talented in any way shape or form and we have seen him look down on fans and get into bed with people damaging to the club. We got that, his stupid ego seems to have still prevented him doing so. The further away from the club he is, the better. 
    Sorry, but it's grossly unfair and inaccurate to say Murray was just lucky or not talented, when you look at the 1991-2006 period, where the club was when he first got involved, and how far it developed, on AND off the pitch. Varney only joined in 1997, many of the key decisions had already been made by that stage

    Of course it all went horribly wrong after 2006, but lets not rewrite history to ignore his contributions before then
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited July 2020
    I used to think not, but there is a lot of evidence to say otherwise. What he did right was appoint the right man and the club moved forwards in Curbishley's image. Curbishley knew not to overspend etc... and Murray knew to let him get on with it. Then when Curbishley went, a structure that took much of the power away from the manager was introduced, despite it working so well with Curbishley. And that new structure was a disaster.

    Dowie struggled, but I maintain, he had not lost the dressing room when he was sacked. He was sacked because he was trying to break free of the shackles and manage. Reed was the ultimate reason we got relegated. Not trying to say Dowie was a great manager, but the 'new' structure was a major issue.
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    edited July 2020
    killerandflash said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    What Murray did which was successful was to bring in the right man and let him run the key aspects of the club. When he was unsuccessful, he tried to do those things himself. He has clearly demonstrated over the years that finding Curbs was immense good fortune and his ego decided to believe his own publicity. Murray was lucky, not talented in any way shape or form and we have seen him look down on fans and get into bed with people damaging to the club. We got that, his stupid ego seems to have still prevented him doing so. The further away from the club he is, the better. 
    Sorry, but it's grossly unfair and inaccurate to say Murray was just lucky or not talented, when you look at the 1991-2006 period, where the club was when he first got involved, and how far it developed, on AND off the pitch. Varney only joined in 1997, many of the key decisions had already been made by that stage

    Of course it all went horribly wrong after 2006, but lets not rewrite history to ignore his contributions before then
    Key decisions were the appointment of Curbs as sole manager in 1995 and Varney in 1997 - Murray did not really make the 1991 appointment of joint managers although he and Simons were key to the return to The Valley in 1992. More so in the end than Alwen. You can’t make a clear distinction between pre and post 2006 as there were things that could have been done better before then, including the fateful decision not to sell the club in 2005, albeit I accept that would have been controversial.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,032
    Airman Brown said:
    killerandflash said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    What Murray did which was successful was to bring in the right man and let him run the key aspects of the club. When he was unsuccessful, he tried to do those things himself. He has clearly demonstrated over the years that finding Curbs was immense good fortune and his ego decided to believe his own publicity. Murray was lucky, not talented in any way shape or form and we have seen him look down on fans and get into bed with people damaging to the club. We got that, his stupid ego seems to have still prevented him doing so. The further away from the club he is, the better. 
    Sorry, but it's grossly unfair and inaccurate to say Murray was just lucky or not talented, when you look at the 1991-2006 period, where the club was when he first got involved, and how far it developed, on AND off the pitch. Varney only joined in 1997, many of the key decisions had already been made by that stage

    Of course it all went horribly wrong after 2006, but lets not rewrite history to ignore his contributions before then
    Key decisions were the appointment of Curbs as sole manager in 1995 and Varney in 1997 - Murray did not really make the 1991 appointment of joint managers although he and Simons were key to the return to The Valley in 1992. More so in the end than Alwen. You can’t make a clear distinction between pre and post 2006 as there were things that could have been done better before then, including the fateful decision not to sell the club in 2005, albeit I accept that would have been controversial.
    Were Gold and Robinson from Birmingham the interested parties?
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254
    edited July 2020
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Airman Brown said:
    killerandflash said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    What Murray did which was successful was to bring in the right man and let him run the key aspects of the club. When he was unsuccessful, he tried to do those things himself. He has clearly demonstrated over the years that finding Curbs was immense good fortune and his ego decided to believe his own publicity. Murray was lucky, not talented in any way shape or form and we have seen him look down on fans and get into bed with people damaging to the club. We got that, his stupid ego seems to have still prevented him doing so. The further away from the club he is, the better. 
    Sorry, but it's grossly unfair and inaccurate to say Murray was just lucky or not talented, when you look at the 1991-2006 period, where the club was when he first got involved, and how far it developed, on AND off the pitch. Varney only joined in 1997, many of the key decisions had already been made by that stage

    Of course it all went horribly wrong after 2006, but lets not rewrite history to ignore his contributions before then
    Key decisions were the appointment of Curbs as sole manager in 1995 and Varney in 1997 - Murray did not really make the 1991 appointment of joint managers although he and Simons were key to the return to The Valley in 1992. More so in the end than Alwen. You can’t make a clear distinction between pre and post 2006 as there were things that could have been done better before then, including the fateful decision not to sell the club in 2005, albeit I accept that would have been controversial.
    Were Gold and Robinson from Birmingham the interested parties?
    No, Simon Jordan
  • SE10Addick
    SE10Addick Posts: 2,963
    I wonder how many of you look back fondly on some of your ex-girlfriends and wives?

    Sure, it was all nice and fun at some point. She treated you well at the beginning, but then she started hanging around some real nasty bitches and all of a sudden she just started showing her true colours and started being really selfish.

    These new friends thought they could take the piss out of you and she just let it happen. 
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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    Airman Brown said:
    killerandflash said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    What Murray did which was successful was to bring in the right man and let him run the key aspects of the club. When he was unsuccessful, he tried to do those things himself. He has clearly demonstrated over the years that finding Curbs was immense good fortune and his ego decided to believe his own publicity. Murray was lucky, not talented in any way shape or form and we have seen him look down on fans and get into bed with people damaging to the club. We got that, his stupid ego seems to have still prevented him doing so. The further away from the club he is, the better. 
    Sorry, but it's grossly unfair and inaccurate to say Murray was just lucky or not talented, when you look at the 1991-2006 period, where the club was when he first got involved, and how far it developed, on AND off the pitch. Varney only joined in 1997, many of the key decisions had already been made by that stage

    Of course it all went horribly wrong after 2006, but lets not rewrite history to ignore his contributions before then
    Key decisions were the appointment of Curbs as sole manager in 1995 and Varney in 1997 - Murray did not really make the 1991 appointment of joint managers although he and Simons were key to the return to The Valley in 1992. More so in the end than Alwen. You can’t make a clear distinction between pre and post 2006 as there were things that could have been done better before then, including the fateful decision not to sell the club in 2005, albeit I accept that would have been controversial.
    The infrastructure did develop a lot between 92 and 97, when you consider the East Stand was built and the small West Stand was being significantly expanded, partially financed by the share issue. Although not finished until 1998, the West stand was well under construction when Varney joined in October 97, a crucial revenue earner for the club, and making the Valley a credible modern stadium

    And of course it was the signing of Super Clive in 1997 which was the key ingredient in making us a genuine promotion contender, the first time we splashed the cash for a very long time, a clear attempt to get promotion.

    Obviously he made mistakes as well before 2006, but overall Murray is heavily in credit for that period. 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,032
    charltonbob said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Airman Brown said:
    killerandflash said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    What Murray did which was successful was to bring in the right man and let him run the key aspects of the club. When he was unsuccessful, he tried to do those things himself. He has clearly demonstrated over the years that finding Curbs was immense good fortune and his ego decided to believe his own publicity. Murray was lucky, not talented in any way shape or form and we have seen him look down on fans and get into bed with people damaging to the club. We got that, his stupid ego seems to have still prevented him doing so. The further away from the club he is, the better. 
    Sorry, but it's grossly unfair and inaccurate to say Murray was just lucky or not talented, when you look at the 1991-2006 period, where the club was when he first got involved, and how far it developed, on AND off the pitch. Varney only joined in 1997, many of the key decisions had already been made by that stage

    Of course it all went horribly wrong after 2006, but lets not rewrite history to ignore his contributions before then
    Key decisions were the appointment of Curbs as sole manager in 1995 and Varney in 1997 - Murray did not really make the 1991 appointment of joint managers although he and Simons were key to the return to The Valley in 1992. More so in the end than Alwen. You can’t make a clear distinction between pre and post 2006 as there were things that could have been done better before then, including the fateful decision not to sell the club in 2005, albeit I accept that would have been controversial.
    Were Gold and Robinson from Birmingham the interested parties?
    No, Simon Jordan
    But @Airman Brown said controversial....
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,598
    SE10Addick said:
    I wonder how many of you look back fondly on some of your ex-girlfriends and wives?

    Sure, it was all nice and fun at some point. She treated you well at the beginning, but then she started hanging around some real nasty bitches and all of a sudden she just started showing her true colours and started being really selfish.

    These new friends thought they could take the piss out of you and she just let it happen. 
    No, she was a fucking slag.
  • mid_life_crisis
    mid_life_crisis Posts: 3,263
    Any word from the great man?
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    mid_life_crisis said:
    Any word from the great man?
    'It's just an Internet thing, it'll all blow over' 😤
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,670
    To be fair to him (and yes I know he has made plenty of mistakes  ).
    But after what he done for this club years ago I reckon he feels pretty sick about the whole situation. 
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    If he wanted to do one thing he would be in touch with RD using his 'super guy's status saying all the stuff about Varney needs to be forgotten, telling RD has no chance of getting a deal with these crooks, so do a quick rental agreement with Varney and Barclay that can be sorted out later on and tear up your agreement with ESI.

    Go on Richard show us what a super gut to CAFC really looks like
  • Missed It
    Missed It Posts: 2,733
    Is Murray not the person who has poisoned Duchatalet's opinion towards Varney?  His behaviour is still ruining Charlton's chances of survival.    
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    The bloke is spineless. 

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