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Charlton Athletic v Fleetwood Town | Tuesday 3rd November 2020 | Post Match thread

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  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,579
    Dazzler21 said:
    Can someone show me comments slating Levitt? So far they only seem to state that he's no better than our own young midfielders. Last night Albie played very well and did all the bits he's been caned for not doing in the past. 

    He also did what we know he can, he played some beautiful passes and even won a penalty. 

    It's not madness to state some of us would prefer to see us develop our own players ahead of Man Utd's players if the quality isn't that different OR (and I am not saying this is the case) the Man Utd talent isn't as good.
    The one I quoted. I'm not gonna go back through 8 pages, but I gave the highlights in my post.  

    Again, Levitt is not keeping Morgan out of the side, they don't play in the same position. 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,556
    PragueAddick said:
     So we will not have one talismanic striker but hopefully three very useful ones, who each bring something different and give us options.
    I'll take three useful strikers, especially when 10 games in from 10 shots he's had one has 5 goals!

    Chuks and Bogle to end up with around 10 each and Smyth to pop up with 5 but many assists. 

    With Maddison to add to the goal threat, I'm nursing a semi.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Aneke hit the post with a good effort.
    Like all of them he put in a shift.
    I think Bowyer has found the dressing room.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,383
    Leuth said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Can someone show me comments slating Levitt? So far they only seem to state that he's no better than our own young midfielders. Last night Albie played very well and did all the bits he's been caned for not doing in the past. 

    He also did what we know he can, he played some beautiful passes and even won a penalty. 

    It's not madness to state some of us would prefer to see us develop our own players ahead of Man Utd's players if the quality isn't that different OR (and I am not saying this is the case) the Man Utd talent isn't as good.
    A lot of people completely writing him off as an option in light of Morgan's renaissance, ignoring the fact that they play in completely different positions. Levitt's competition is Watson, mostly, or maybe if Shinnie gets a knock
    Levitt isn't an alternative to Watson, he doesn't have the defensive abilities and experience.

    When our CBs are fit, Watson and Pratley will be doing the dirty work, hopefully alternating or only playing together to close games out
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,489
    killerandflash said:
    Leuth said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Can someone show me comments slating Levitt? So far they only seem to state that he's no better than our own young midfielders. Last night Albie played very well and did all the bits he's been caned for not doing in the past. 

    He also did what we know he can, he played some beautiful passes and even won a penalty. 

    It's not madness to state some of us would prefer to see us develop our own players ahead of Man Utd's players if the quality isn't that different OR (and I am not saying this is the case) the Man Utd talent isn't as good.
    A lot of people completely writing him off as an option in light of Morgan's renaissance, ignoring the fact that they play in completely different positions. Levitt's competition is Watson, mostly, or maybe if Shinnie gets a knock
    Levitt isn't an alternative to Watson, he doesn't have the defensive abilities and experience.

    When our CBs are fit, Watson and Pratley will be doing the dirty work, hopefully alternating or only playing together to close games out
    I think Levitt will feature in games against injury-hit dross where the onus will be on us to attack
  • addick19
    addick19 Posts: 379
    msomerton said:
    Sorry that was a poor performance from the team, to give them 60% possession is a worry. May be we are too easily bullied.
    You should read what Barton says about us mate, exactly the opposite. Considering the changes from Saturday that was a great three points against the best team we have played so far. just wait until we field our BEST eleven.
  • balham red
    balham red Posts: 1,303
    Interesting that when Morgan won the penalty from the 1-2 the ball did not actually make it back to him, as the other defender cut it out. Therefore the defender who tripped him did it somewhat off the ball and completely needlessly.
  • Killarahales
    Killarahales Posts: 1,082
    We are obviously very lucky to have TS as our new owner, but we are luckier still to have LB as our manager. He has built a team in his own image; skillful and aggressive, with each man playing for the TEAM. The blend of different types of player and experience is working fantastically. Individually, Maatsen (or Marston, as Pearcey kept calling him) was my standout player last night, he has great football skill and vision, but also displayed the aggressive side of his game when he earned his yellow card after Fleetwood tried to bully him earlier. All of that at 18 years old! There will be ups and downs to come, but regardless of the results it's a real pleasure watching Charlton once again, and we have every chance of bouncing straight back up to the Championship.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,338
    As soon as Chucks came on the game changed. Instead of them pinging the ball about the whole game slowed as we held possession and then took control. Bows has changed tactics from last year when he would bring on a defensive player to protect points, he now brings on forwards to hold onto possession.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,489
    Redrobo said:
    As soon as Chucks came on the game changed. Instead of them pinging the ball about the whole game slowed as we held possession and then took control. Bows has changed tactics from last year when he would bring on a defensive player to protect points, he now brings on forwards to hold onto possession.
    He brought on a defender for an attacking midfielder and a striker for a striker. He's still doing what you said ;)

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  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,690
    killerandflash said:
    Leuth said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Can someone show me comments slating Levitt? So far they only seem to state that he's no better than our own young midfielders. Last night Albie played very well and did all the bits he's been caned for not doing in the past. 

    He also did what we know he can, he played some beautiful passes and even won a penalty. 

    It's not madness to state some of us would prefer to see us develop our own players ahead of Man Utd's players if the quality isn't that different OR (and I am not saying this is the case) the Man Utd talent isn't as good.
    A lot of people completely writing him off as an option in light of Morgan's renaissance, ignoring the fact that they play in completely different positions. Levitt's competition is Watson, mostly, or maybe if Shinnie gets a knock
    Levitt isn't an alternative to Watson, he doesn't have the defensive abilities and experience.

    When our CBs are fit, Watson and Pratley will be doing the dirty work, hopefully alternating or only playing together to close games out
    He’s an option in that position as a more creative alternative.

    Not sure there will be many games where we’d need that and could risk losing the physical/defensive side Watson or Pratley brings though.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,489
    Another scenario I can see Levitt in is if we're losing, he could sub on for the last 30. We haven't been losing very much of late though. 
  • AllHailTheHen
    AllHailTheHen Posts: 3,098
    edited November 2020
    The best thing about how we are playing is that we can get a lot better. Dont think we have really got near top gear yet. We have a few quality players out injured or getting back up to full match fitness. Our squad depth is good. We certainly shouldn't fear anyone in this league.

    Main thing though when it comes to Charlton at the moment is how nice it is to be focusing on the footballing side of things. How rare that has been.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,338
    Leuth said:
    Redrobo said:
    As soon as Chucks came on the game changed. Instead of them pinging the ball about the whole game slowed as we held possession and then took control. Bows has changed tactics from last year when he would bring on a defensive player to protect points, he now brings on forwards to hold onto possession.
    He brought on a defender for an attacking midfielder and a striker for a striker. He's still doing what you said ;)
    Portsmouth he bought on Smythe and Aneke, and last season I don’t think he would have gone like for like, he would have taken off a striker and put a midfielder on.
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 23,571
    JamesSeed said:
    I can’t take all this success. I’m going back to Millwall. 
    Language please, this is a family forum ;)
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,556
    Can I just check, have we beaten Hudds unbeaten run yet? I think we have another 324 games to go...
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 23,571
    MattF said:
    Not a huge fan of his but rare to see a manager admit a penalty against his team was the correct decision 

    “I think it was a pen. I haven’t seen it back. It’s probably about the only decision the ref got correct. But we shouldn’t be leaving it in the hands of the officials, we should be getting the game done before that and not give away the silly goals.”
    Looking at that quote to be fair, could of come from Bowyer just as easily ;)
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,863
    Dazzler21 said:

    It's the sign of an unhealthy league imo if you don't finish top two or three with 2+ points or stay up with 1- points. This might change. The Premier League is awful for this.
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,863
    Moo said:
    Can’t see poor Levitt getting in this side. 
    When I saw the team, I thought of JFC but forgot all about Levitt.

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  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,863
    I've said it before but they really do need to state now at what point of the season the PPG table would be used. 

    I would say that once the average games played is 23, or once everyone has played 23 games.

    It needs to be discussed or it could get very messy come the New Year.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,822
    jimmymelrose said:
    I've said it before but they really do need to state now at what point of the season the PPG table would be used. 

    I would say that once the average games played is 23, or once everyone has played 23 games.

    It needs to be discussed or it could get very messy come the New Year.
    I agree. Logically when everybody has played each other once but it should be announced now.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,220
    Redrobo said:
    As soon as Chucks came on the game changed. Instead of them pinging the ball about the whole game slowed as we held possession and then took control. Bows has changed tactics from last year when he would bring on a defensive player to protect points, he now brings on forwards to hold onto possession.
    Yes, Bowyer plays the game with the hand he's been dealt with. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,220
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Just wanted to say Washington’s peno was top drawer.👌👌👌
    Yep, hit the side net with power. 
    Hardly any keeper could save those. 
  • Cloudworm
    Cloudworm Posts: 978
    Best team we’ve played.

    watson’s best game for us.

    Best ref we’ve had for ages. Well done him.

    Still worry how the subs put us under pressure. Ideally would have like Williams to come off the bench and win some free kicks, rather than see a training exercise of defense vs attack.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,220
    jimmymelrose said:
    I've said it before but they really do need to state now at what point of the season the PPG table would be used. 

    I would say that once the average games played is 23, or once everyone has played 23 games.

    It needs to be discussed or it could get very messy come the New Year.
    I'm 99% confident ppg won't come into it.
    I believe we'll be in a better place late spring. 
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,863
    I strongly disagree. Besides, it's not spring that is the issue. It's a long winter with clubs in financial difficulty, possibly some bankruptcies, coupled with postponements.
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,377
    jimmymelrose said:
    I strongly disagree. Besides, it's not spring that is the issue. It's a long winter with clubs in financial difficulty, possibly some bankruptcies, coupled with postponements.
    Bankruptcies will not affect the league, as the games from those clubs will be taken out of the league table. 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,262
    edited November 2020
    Cloudworm said:
    Best team we’ve played.

    watson’s best game for us.

    Best ref we’ve had for ages. Well done him.

    Still worry how the subs put us under pressure. Ideally would have like Williams to come off the bench and win some free kicks, rather than see a training exercise of defense vs attack.

    Personally I thought against a team like Fleetwood who had 65% of the possession it was important to have Aneke holding up the ball, turning and being strong so at the business end of the match it's not like the Alamo. 
    I would prefer Jonny Williams to win fouls closer to the opponent's goal now we seem to have improved on set pieces. 
    We have so many options and I believe that Jonny Williams short life battery wasn't fully charged for last night.

    I agree, we don't really want a situation when the likes of Rochdale and Gillingham have the bulk of the possession because deflected goals and crazy pass backs will happen.

    We must win more second balls after defensive headers which will stop the constant pressure.

    We should continue to evolve and winning when we haven't hit top gear this season is a great habit. 

    To concede two goal in 90 seconds yet still win shows that we can move on from just relying on clean sheets, to creating chances which is so much better on the eye.

  • StigThundercock
    StigThundercock Posts: 3,722
    Amos: another game changing save and some wayward clearances, we're not missing Dillon one bit
    Gunter: excellent
    Inniss: out manouvered by the fleetwood scum striker for a short spell but physically dominant as usual
    Pratley: the fulcrum through which the team is powered and steered, he's the fittest by a margin too
    Purrington: decent overall, never going to be the last word in fullback defending
    Watson: decent and industrious
    Morgan: best game for us yet thoroughly justified his inclusion in place of coupla options
    Shinnie: his quietest game for a while
    Maatsen: tiniest glimmer of his inexperience in an otherwise superb performance - an invaluable lesson for a developing player, let's hope it's one he's learned
    Bogle: worked himself to a literal standstill again, created one goal, probably should have had one or two himself
    Washington: a huge shift from a talented striker, vying to be the signing of the summer window
    Referee: best I've seen this season, which is a very low bar, a few unfathomable decisions which fortunately were of no real consequence, Connolly escaped unpunished for a woefully cynical foul perpetrated seconds after Maatsen was rightly booked for his transgression, the kind of inconsistency undermining the credibility of the officials in this division

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