The rise of the vegans.

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

DaveMehmet said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Rob7Lee said:

Arsenetatters said:

MrOneLung said:

Serious question, would you guys not visit a friends house that had leather sofa of get in a car with leather seats? 

No right or wrong answers, just curious. 

Yes, I would, just as I eat at a table where people are eating meat. I just try to live my life as authentically as possible according to my own ethics.

What I hate (and I've said this before) is people making remarks about their non-vegan lifestyle in a joking way while I'm there - 'oh I'm eating turkey for xmas, sorry Al' etc. Just as I don't point out the lump of dead meat on their plate I don't expect to become a figure of fun for my beliefs.

I started going to a Buddhist group a couple of years ago. As well as most of them being vegan, they also enjoy a simpler, less consumer led lifestyle which fits with my beliefs. It's such a relief to spend time with them. It's where I feel most comfortable and accepted.

I had similar for a while when I went tea total, they soon got bored of the ribbing after a while.

If you do anything outside of the norm it invariably bothers some people who then feel obliged to make 'humorous' comments for months/years which get even less funny with repetition. I'm never clear what response they expect?

I remember as a kid in the 70s getting my ears pierced which was just too much for some people - they seemed to feel obliged to pass comment on my appearance. 

That wasn’t on (unless you had the right ear pierced, which is the gay one)

I had both pierced which guaranteed me endless comments including questions about my sexuality and being compared to David Essex and gypsies. Didn't take much to freak people out back then. Happy days!

Leroy Ambrose said:

I suppose this stresses the importance of making sure you counter the lack of calcium from not eating dairy by making sure you take a supplement. 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vegans-40-more-likely-to-suffer-a-bone-fracture-rzb2bj06l

I can't read the full article because it's behind a paywall, but seems that it might be indicating that the 'meat alternatives' are lulling people into a false sense of security (ie: it seems to then that they're replacing meat with 'like meat' and it's therefore got all the stuff in it that they need). Just lends more weight to the discussion had earlier in this thread about not seeking out a direct replacement for meat in vegetarian/vegan meals, but rather embracing the idea that you don't *need* to do that to eat healthily and tastily

Leroy Ambrose said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

I suppose this stresses the importance of making sure you counter the lack of calcium from not eating dairy by making sure you take a supplement. 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/vegans-40-more-likely-to-suffer-a-bone-fracture-rzb2bj06l

I can't read the full article because it's behind a paywall, but seems that it might be indicating that the 'meat alternatives' are lulling people into a false sense of security (ie: it seems to then that they're replacing meat with 'like meat' and it's therefore got all the stuff in it that they need). Just lends more weight to the discussion had earlier in this thread about not seeking out a direct replacement for meat in vegetarian/vegan meals, but rather embracing the idea that you don't *need* to do that to eat healthily and tastily

Hard to get a balanced diet if you exclude foods and then don't replace the vitamins etc that they provide. It's quite possible to eat a very unhealthy vegan diet.

Damn right. Someone I used to work with was a vegan - she was a huge shambling mess of a woman who seemed to subsist entirely on junk food, and get less exercise than the average piece of furniture

AddickUpNorth said:

Of course if you eat a diet full of processed crap, or a diet of nothing but chips then you will not get the nutrients you need. That goes for an omnivore diet as well as vegan. If you fuel your body with shit, you’re going to feel like shit. End of. By no means am I perfect, some days I don’t eat for the best but that has nothing to do with veganism but purely because I’m lazy or don’t have the time. One thing that has amazed me since I went vegan is the number of people who suddenly seem to have qualifications in nutrition. Funny thing, no one ever seems to care about the nutritional needs of a person if they don’t follow a plant based diet. When I ate meat I can’t recall anyone ever saying to me ‘hmmm, that pepperoni pizza is unhealthy or that burger dripping with grease and cheese is not going to meet your daily requirements. 

Anyway, here are two videos sourced from YouTube that may be of interest. 

How to Prevent Deficiencies On A Plant Based Diet

 https://youtu.be/zKwnMCEp3HM

The Four Rules For Thriving on a Plant Based Diet

https://youtu.be/WYe6NIsyIXs

AddickUpNorth said:

Here’s an interview with ultra athlete Rich Roll who up until the age of 39 was a self confessed couch potato. Following a health scare he adopted a plant based lifestyle and thrived. Not many people can compete in the Ultraman World Championships where participants complete a 6.2 mile swim, a 261.4 mile bike ride and a 52.4 mile run over three days. Roll smashed it. This may be of interest to you @Dazzler21

https://youtu.be/fb3iNi60wH8

AddickUpNorth said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

AddickUpNorth said:

Here’s an interview with ultra athlete Rich Roll who up until the age of 39 was a self confessed couch potato. Following a health scare he adopted a plant based lifestyle and thrived. Not many people can compete in the Ultraman World Championships where participants complete a 6.2 mile swim, a 261.4 mile bike ride and a 52.4 mile run over three days. Roll smashed it. This may be of interest to you @Dazzler21

https://youtu.be/fb3iNi60wH8

There is also a film on Netflix called 'The Game Changers' regarding elite athletes and diet. I will watch it when I get a chance.

It does seem a lot of athletes are turning towards a vegan diet. 

It’s definitely worth a watch if you get the chance. It may not be perfect and some people have tried to debunk it but it contains many truths in my opinion. My tip is approach it with an open mind.

AddickUpNorth said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

AddickUpNorth said:

Here’s an interview with ultra athlete Rich Roll who up until the age of 39 was a self confessed couch potato. Following a health scare he adopted a plant based lifestyle and thrived. Not many people can compete in the Ultraman World Championships where participants complete a 6.2 mile swim, a 261.4 mile bike ride and a 52.4 mile run over three days. Roll smashed it. This may be of interest to you @Dazzler21

https://youtu.be/fb3iNi60wH8

There is also a film on Netflix called 'The Game Changers' regarding elite athletes and diet. I will watch it when I get a chance.

It does seem a lot of athletes are turning towards a vegan diet. 

It’s definitely worth a watch if you get the chance. It may not be perfect and some people have tried to debunk it but it contains many truths in my opinion. My tip is approach it with an open mind.

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Dazzler21 said:

AddickUpNorth said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

AddickUpNorth said:

Here’s an interview with ultra athlete Rich Roll who up until the age of 39 was a self confessed couch potato. Following a health scare he adopted a plant based lifestyle and thrived. Not many people can compete in the Ultraman World Championships where participants complete a 6.2 mile swim, a 261.4 mile bike ride and a 52.4 mile run over three days. Roll smashed it. This may be of interest to you @Dazzler21

https://youtu.be/fb3iNi60wH8

There is also a film on Netflix called 'The Game Changers' regarding elite athletes and diet. I will watch it when I get a chance.

It does seem a lot of athletes are turning towards a vegan diet. 

It’s definitely worth a watch if you get the chance. It may not be perfect and some people have tried to debunk it but it contains many truths in my opinion. My tip is approach it with an open mind.

After watching it find the two Joe Rogan Experience episodes 

1. A bloke debunks the documentary. 

2. James (the maker of the documentary) challenges the debunking. The guy in episode 1 admits at one point he doesn't know how to interpret one of the graphs yet it was a big point for him in debunking the entire documentary. 

Personally I felt those two discussions made the documentary all the more interesting. (You'll need a couple of hours for the documentary and about 4 that you can listen to the two podcasts), personally I think it was vital in me understanding the pros and cons of every statement made in Game Changers

Just finished watching Game Changers and found it a really interesting watch. I've looked at some of the articles debunking some of the claims in the documentary and it's given me plenty of food for thought.

Ultimately I want to improve my health and to have a diet that is more sustainable. If I can move towards a more plant based diet I will do but I will continue to read up on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0zgNY_kqlI&list=FLgpTdUit50YBa3ayyK9dYeg&index=10

Dazzler21 said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

Dazzler21 said:

AddickUpNorth said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

AddickUpNorth said:

Here’s an interview with ultra athlete Rich Roll who up until the age of 39 was a self confessed couch potato. Following a health scare he adopted a plant based lifestyle and thrived. Not many people can compete in the Ultraman World Championships where participants complete a 6.2 mile swim, a 261.4 mile bike ride and a 52.4 mile run over three days. Roll smashed it. This may be of interest to you @Dazzler21

https://youtu.be/fb3iNi60wH8

There is also a film on Netflix called 'The Game Changers' regarding elite athletes and diet. I will watch it when I get a chance.

It does seem a lot of athletes are turning towards a vegan diet. 

It’s definitely worth a watch if you get the chance. It may not be perfect and some people have tried to debunk it but it contains many truths in my opinion. My tip is approach it with an open mind.

After watching it find the two Joe Rogan Experience episodes 

1. A bloke debunks the documentary. 

2. James (the maker of the documentary) challenges the debunking. The guy in episode 1 admits at one point he doesn't know how to interpret one of the graphs yet it was a big point for him in debunking the entire documentary. 

Personally I felt those two discussions made the documentary all the more interesting. (You'll need a couple of hours for the documentary and about 4 that you can listen to the two podcasts), personally I think it was vital in me understanding the pros and cons of every statement made in Game Changers

Just finished watching Game Changers and found it a really interesting watch. I've looked at some of the articles debunking some of the claims in the documentary and it's given me plenty of food for thought.

Ultimately I want to improve my health and to have a diet that is more sustainable. If I can move towards a more plant based diet I will do but I will continue to read up on the subject.

Honestly at least watch/listen to the second of the two JRE episodes. James whatshisname backs up almost every statement game changers made. Joe Rogan simply mediates as the debunker and James go at it. 

I really enjoyed both the documentary and the follow up debates.

*James Wilks & Chris Kresser* 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0zgNY_kqlI&list=FLgpTdUit50YBa3ayyK9dYeg&index=10

Hartleypete said:

Hartleypete said:

AddickUpNorth said:

That’s a piss poor attempt at trying to prove a point from Hartleypete but to be honest it’s a common thing when it comes to non-vegans trying to put down the personal choice of millions (and counting) of people. The reality is that a plant based diet of natural whole foods has been proven by medical and dietetic bodies worldwide to not only be healthy but in many cases can help a person to thrive. As far as I’m aware no vegetable, fruit, legume or grain has been classed as a class 1 carcinogenic unlike bacon and other heavily processed meats.