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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton v Accrington | Fri 8 Jan 2021
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It's his style and I don't know why people are shocked by it.mid_life_crisis said:
The point is Bowyer has to take responsibility for that shit show.orpingtonRED said:
Sadly I think you are right.Briston_Addick said:I have never been part of the "Bowyer Out" brigade, I've been a more cautious member of @ForeverAddickted's group.
However, after this evenings post-match interview I think the manager has had enough.
He hasn't just thrown a player or two under the bus, he's put on full Rambo outfit, lobbed a couple of smoke grenades into the dressing room and started spraying bullets everywhere.
There can't be a player left in that squad who'd want to run through brick walls for the boss.
It's a sad day for the Charlton Athletic Football Club.
Welcome to Danish Dan the next manager of Charlton some no mark that fans can get behind for a year.
Then perhaps genuine fans would be more willing to draw a line under it and allow Bowyer to do what he needs to do behind closed doors.
I think it is very poor management to single out individual players publicly like he has done.
I'm just saying be careful what you wish for.1 -
Poetry.Davo55 said:
Why do you type1968CAFC said:
Anyone who watched the game and listened toCAFCsayer said:
Is that actually a quote, if so I'm in the Bowyer out brigade... You can't handle players like thatScoham said:
Bowyer when he gave his honest interview
And heard what he said correctly would not twist
His words out of context, if they understood what
He actually said.
Maddison was shit tonight and was a poor
Substitution.
so few words
on each
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The advertising is really taking the piss tonight.
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When you build a team, usually it's most successful when the manager has a way of playing and he or the club bring in players to fit that system, the right type of player AND the right personality. Coleman's Accrington are a perfect example.
Instead we have a hastily built squad of players and a manager who doesn't know who his best players are or his best system. Or even if he does, can't play them for 90 minutes anyway. And a squad which looks unbalanced as well, with too many "nice" midfielders and not enough physical presence. Plus too many injuries of course.
Add to that a manager with a tendency to fall out with "flair" players who don't do the dirty side of the game, hence we have top quality L1 players like Williams and Maddison looking lost and/or demotivated out there (Fosu 2 years ago was similar). Which does beg the question of why we signed Maddison if Bowyer isn't going to accept his style of play...
TS has a decision to make. A change of manager would at least enable a few members of the squad to start again AND hopefully a more settled formation and team, but there are definite flaws in our squad which we aren't able to address now due to the salary cap.
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You don't have to be sorry Cafc, Bowyer has singled out two players Williams and Maddison. One of them is a wrong un, just my opinion, the other one took up the option to get payed for another year, can't blame him for that. Both are capable of being a fixture in that side but every time I have seen them they have done literally dick all and both definitely jumped out of tackles hence Bowyers comments.Cafc43v3r said:
Mate, sorry but your talking absolute bollocks.Bailey said:Who was blaming Ben Watson ? I think he's put in a shift all season, I am pointing the finger at Maddison and Williams. Nobody wanted them and they are not playing for the shirt, as for Pearce, he knows he is playing next game, same as Gilbey.3 -
It's not a great style as it doesn't seem to work. We can't play much worse.orpingtonRED said:
It's his style and I don't know why people are shocked by it.mid_life_crisis said:
The point is Bowyer has to take responsibility for that shit show.orpingtonRED said:
Sadly I think you are right.Briston_Addick said:I have never been part of the "Bowyer Out" brigade, I've been a more cautious member of @ForeverAddickted's group.
However, after this evenings post-match interview I think the manager has had enough.
He hasn't just thrown a player or two under the bus, he's put on full Rambo outfit, lobbed a couple of smoke grenades into the dressing room and started spraying bullets everywhere.
There can't be a player left in that squad who'd want to run through brick walls for the boss.
It's a sad day for the Charlton Athletic Football Club.
Welcome to Danish Dan the next manager of Charlton some no mark that fans can get behind for a year.
Then perhaps genuine fans would be more willing to draw a line under it and allow Bowyer to do what he needs to do behind closed doors.
I think it is very poor management to single out individual players publicly like he has done.
I'm just saying be careful what you wish for.1 -
Every Saturday we follow
The boys in red and white
They’re pissing off Lee Bowyer
I think he’s looking for a fight
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Must be a jolly atmosphere in the dressing room...RedRyan said:Every Saturday we follow
The boys in red and white
They’re pissing off Lee Bowyer
I think he’s looking for a fight0 -
RaplhMilne said:
You are a member of a small and diminishing group of BOWYER apologists. Your like the Trump mob...... totally brainwashed that he is the only man for the job.1968CAFC said:
Utter Bollocks !!se9addick said:I’m starting to think Bowyer was the right man at a bad time, but he isn’t the right man at this time.
Look at all our injuries and our bloody defence 😂😂😂😂Oh I see. So YOU are a member of the Ruling Party, the larger mob, so only your opinion counts?Maybe it's actually a matter of quality over quantity.2 -
Why didn't Delhi track back as cover for their first goal. He watched his team mate when he could have helped. Someone tell me Lapslie is worse than Morgan as he looked lost. We do not have ball winners and without that bite in midfield we are just a mistake away from defeat every match. Do hope LB finds another Cullen as we will struggle without one.1
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Tonight Im not as down as I was a couple of months back, we was beaten by a better team all over the pitch tonight.
The performaces against Shrewsbury, Gillingham, Burton, Swindon (MK Dons played us off the park) wound me up more.3 -
No one has answered so I'll give options. Was itCafc43v3r said:I'll ask a question, can someone answer it.
Who tried to sign Marcus Maddison for 2 transfer windows, even traveled to Peterborough to speak to him, knowing we were under an embargo. Then signed him once he was out of contract?
Would that be the same person that publicly begged Williams to sign in the summer of 2019?
Did he not know they weren't a pair of David Batty's?
A) Lee Bowyer
B') Roland
C) The fans
D) Lyle Taylor
E) Omar Bogle
F) Morgan Fox
G) the super duppa phone.
Please DM me if you can think of any more candidates.0 -
Whether or not you agree with Bowyer’s comments is irrelevant - the place for that is in the dressing room or the training ground behind closed doors.billysboots said:As a manager or a supporter , no matter how the result goes, you should be able to rely on the players giving 100%.The oppo gave everything fought for every 50/50 and deservedly won.Agree 100% with Bowyers comments and appreciate his honesty.
The players let him and us down tonight.
If one of my senior managers criticised his or her staff in public, including claiming to not care about their welfare, their feet wouldn’t touch the ground as I escorted them from the building.
it is piss poor people management, pure and simple.40 -
Agree with nearly all that bar the highlighted bit.Charltonparklane said:Worrying performances for me tonight from players who have, can, and should play better.
Gilbey again absolute toilet but gets 90mins. He hides, plays safe balls sideways the whole game, just 'passes the buck'
Im one of Morgans biggest fans but he looked lost tonight, almost disinterested for a player who always wants the ball.
Pearce, still thinks wrestling players is an art.
Maatsen, so impressed to start with but just looks to be trying to avoid injury if you ask me recently.
Gunter 99 International caps but gets turned inside out by a league one winger every week.
Honestly there is no way back for me this season with the players we have, course I'll still watch every game just like the past 40 years but there has to be some (very) drastic changes this season for us to make top 6.
Positive - Deji played really well for me
Maatsen to me is an 18 year old struggling in an out of form side who is not getting the support he deserves from his so called seniors and betters.
I just hope Chelsea don't recall him because that really would put the cap on it.9 -
RaplhMilne said:
Says the man, who the resorts to calling people childish names......Bailey said:Take no notice 1968, most of the posters on here believe that only they have a divine right to an opinion, write what you want and take pleasure in the fact that you are annoying the soppy little pratts.
unfortunately the fallout from the demise of our team under LB are some of the worst divisions ever seen in our fan base. An petty name calling and arguments. We are living in a depressing troubled time (not LB,s fault) but our team imploding in front of our eyes every week, is adding to this agony, and I’m sure to the depression of some of our fans.
So when you used the Trump analogy you didn't use it to belittle someone? Then when I tug you and the other other self righteous twats on here you decide you climb up on the moral high ground and start linking Co vid and depression to the fact someone disagrees with you. Jog on you nob !RaplhMilne said:
Says the man, who the resorts to calling people childish names......Bailey said:Take no notice 1968, most of the posters on here believe that only they have a divine right to an opinion, write what you want and take pleasure in the fact that you are annoying the soppy little pratts.
unfortunately the fallout from the demise of our team under LB are some of the worst divisions ever seen in our fan base. An petty name calling and arguments. We are living in a depressing troubled time (not LB,s fault) but our team imploding in front of our eyes every week, is adding to this agony, and I’m sure to the depression of some of our fans.0 -
I watched him jogging the same pace the whole way back but in answer to your question I think he probably thought a routine header from a pro of over 15 years was a gimme.Addickinedi said:Why didn't Delhi track back as cover for their first goal. He watched his team mate when he could have helped. Someone tell me Lapslie is worse than Morgan as he looked lost. We do not have ball winners and without that bite in midfield we are just a mistake away from defeat every match. Do hope LB finds another Cullen as we will struggle without one.
Sunday league stuff6 -
Yeah probably a bit angry as I called it first half that hes going to get injured by not going in for tackles, his lack of challenge IMO cost us the 2nd goal, or at least made it easier for them.LenGlover said:
Agree with nearly all that bar the highlighted bit.Charltonparklane said:Worrying performances for me tonight from players who have, can, and should play better.
Gilbey again absolute toilet but gets 90mins. He hides, plays safe balls sideways the whole game, just 'passes the buck'
Im one of Morgans biggest fans but he looked lost tonight, almost disinterested for a player who always wants the ball.
Pearce, still thinks wrestling players is an art.
Maatsen, so impressed to start with but just looks to be trying to avoid injury if you ask me recently.
Gunter 99 International caps but gets turned inside out by a league one winger every week.
Honestly there is no way back for me this season with the players we have, course I'll still watch every game just like the past 40 years but there has to be some (very) drastic changes this season for us to make top 6.
Positive - Deji played really well for me
Maatsen to me is an 18 year old struggling in an out of form side who is not getting the support he deserves from his so called seniors and betters.
I just hope Chelsea don't recall him because that really would put the cap on it.3 -
No.. when I started to question whether LB was the man for the job, I was in. Small minority. But, as I said more and more are joining this opinion. Which meaans they have changed their opinion from the one previously held. Maybe YOU will change yours at some point. Until then we have this forum for debate. I am purely interested in what are the tipping points that make people switch. My comment indicates that I believe some people, would be backing LB as the man no matter how bad it gets.Major said:RaplhMilne said:
You are a member of a small and diminishing group of BOWYER apologists. Your like the Trump mob...... totally brainwashed that he is the only man for the job.1968CAFC said:
Utter Bollocks !!se9addick said:I’m starting to think Bowyer was the right man at a bad time, but he isn’t the right man at this time.
Look at all our injuries and our bloody defence 😂😂😂😂Oh I see. So YOU are a member of the Ruling Party, the larger mob, so only your opinion counts?Maybe it's actually a matter of quality over quantity.0 -
As always I try and apply perspective. Difficult with the current performances and unless something Changes then realistically we are going to be nowhere near play offs. That will be disappointing but I am beginning to reduce my expectations for this season. The sooner Innis, Famewo and Shinnie are back the better but we can't really use this as an excuse for the recent performances. Need to beat Rochdale on Tuesday or we really do start to smack of a team in crisis. Try to keep the faith all.1
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We are looking like Man Utd did a few weeks ago.0
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On the flip side of our shambles, credit where it's due, I thought Accrington were excellent26
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What do you mean by that comment?orpingtonRED said:
It's his style and I don't know why people are shocked by it.mid_life_crisis said:
The point is Bowyer has to take responsibility for that shit show.orpingtonRED said:
Sadly I think you are right.Briston_Addick said:I have never been part of the "Bowyer Out" brigade, I've been a more cautious member of @ForeverAddickted's group.
However, after this evenings post-match interview I think the manager has had enough.
He hasn't just thrown a player or two under the bus, he's put on full Rambo outfit, lobbed a couple of smoke grenades into the dressing room and started spraying bullets everywhere.
There can't be a player left in that squad who'd want to run through brick walls for the boss.
It's a sad day for the Charlton Athletic Football Club.
Welcome to Danish Dan the next manager of Charlton some no mark that fans can get behind for a year.
Then perhaps genuine fans would be more willing to draw a line under it and allow Bowyer to do what he needs to do behind closed doors.
I think it is very poor management to single out individual players publicly like he has done.
I'm just saying be careful what you wish for.
I don't accept that style of management.
I just wish he would take some of the responsibility on himself, that is all.1 -
bobmunro said:
Whether or not you agree with Bowyer’s comments is irrelevant - the place for that is in the dressing room or the training ground behind closed doors.billysboots said:As a manager or a supporter , no matter how the result goes, you should be able to rely on the players giving 100%.The oppo gave everything fought for every 50/50 and deservedly won.Agree 100% with Bowyers comments and appreciate his honesty.
The players let him and us down tonight.
If one of my senior managers criticised his or her staff in public, including claiming to not care about their welfare, their feet wouldn’t touch the ground as I escorted them from the building.
it is piss poor people management, pure and simple.Maybe , but Football isn’t quite like every other industry though is it ?I could be wrong but I haven’t seen a court case where a footballer has sued for constructive dismissal over a managers comments.Maybe he has tried doing it behind closed doors with Maddison and that hasn’t worked ?0 -
We can and have played worse, many nights I travelled home watching us at shitty Selhurst. And many times under many managers since.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It's not a great style as it doesn't seem to work. We can't play much worse.orpingtonRED said:
It's his style and I don't know why people are shocked by it.mid_life_crisis said:
The point is Bowyer has to take responsibility for that shit show.orpingtonRED said:
Sadly I think you are right.Briston_Addick said:I have never been part of the "Bowyer Out" brigade, I've been a more cautious member of @ForeverAddickted's group.
However, after this evenings post-match interview I think the manager has had enough.
He hasn't just thrown a player or two under the bus, he's put on full Rambo outfit, lobbed a couple of smoke grenades into the dressing room and started spraying bullets everywhere.
There can't be a player left in that squad who'd want to run through brick walls for the boss.
It's a sad day for the Charlton Athletic Football Club.
Welcome to Danish Dan the next manager of Charlton some no mark that fans can get behind for a year.
Then perhaps genuine fans would be more willing to draw a line under it and allow Bowyer to do what he needs to do behind closed doors.
I think it is very poor management to single out individual players publicly like he has done.
I'm just saying be careful what you wish for.
Bowyer had no interest In football after he retired. Robinson with his gob somehow talked him into coming back(maybe he was wrong). Bowyer was then left in charge and done an amazing job under the circumstances. I'm not saying that makes him untouchable but I'd give him this season with the new ownership to build.
I don't think he will even get this season though as it appears so many want him gone.
So when some random Danish manager rocks up with a Charlton kit on I'm sure everyone will behind him.
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Oh...... well we really are in the playground. I won’t come down to your level. I come on here for debate, and shared opinions, with those who agree and disagree with mine. You obviously don’t........Bailey said:RaplhMilne said:
Says the man, who the resorts to calling people childish names......Bailey said:Take no notice 1968, most of the posters on here believe that only they have a divine right to an opinion, write what you want and take pleasure in the fact that you are annoying the soppy little pratts.
unfortunately the fallout from the demise of our team under LB are some of the worst divisions ever seen in our fan base. An petty name calling and arguments. We are living in a depressing troubled time (not LB,s fault) but our team imploding in front of our eyes every week, is adding to this agony, and I’m sure to the depression of some of our fans.
So when you used the Trump analogy you didn't use it to belittle someone? Then when I tug you and the other other self righteous twats on here you decide you climb up on the moral high ground and start linking Co vid and depression to the fact someone disagrees with you. Jog on you nob !RaplhMilne said:
Says the man, who the resorts to calling people childish names......Bailey said:Take no notice 1968, most of the posters on here believe that only they have a divine right to an opinion, write what you want and take pleasure in the fact that you are annoying the soppy little pratts.
unfortunately the fallout from the demise of our team under LB are some of the worst divisions ever seen in our fan base. An petty name calling and arguments. We are living in a depressing troubled time (not LB,s fault) but our team imploding in front of our eyes every week, is adding to this agony, and I’m sure to the depression of some of our fans.0 -
Sadly I can’t see this ending well for bowyer, throwing the team under the bus after the way he has been managing lately seems very odd. I would be amazed if his post match interview has any effect of a positive reaction, if that was his aim.The players don’t seem to be playing for him anymore, you can’t sack a whole team, so as they say the buck stops with the manager. Bows does seem to be going down the Roy Keane path, also shades of the all round negativity mourinho brings when things go tits up for him. They turn to blaming everyone else but themselves.4
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I think John Coleman has done a pretty amazing job with them given the size of the club.Gravesend_Addick said:On the flip side of our shambles, credit where it's due, I thought Accrington were excellent
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Poor performance overall and the team know this. Accrington took their chances and were more physical; we were too slow in possession. They defended in numbers, and well. We did not finish clinically enough.Millar looks a good quality loan signing, bit more training work needed in the final third. His positive forward runs were good to see. Link up work with Maatsen also looked promising. I think they will gel and get more understanding. Rate them both for such young players. Millar gave him options, which Maatsen needs and responds well to.The team needs to step it up. Work harder and hunt in groups when pressing for the ball. I saw Schwartz trying to work with Aneke on this up front a couple of times. But they need to work together in units on the pitch.There was congestion in central midfield because of Accrington's shape, and this stifled us once we stopped using the wings, and Accrington sat back after the 2nd goal.We had many of chances, just needed a little more quality when they came.We are in a run of bad form. Need the team to respond, and the experienced players to help our manager get them all back onto winning form.
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Yes it is - good people management is good people management regardless of the industry.billysboots said:bobmunro said:
Whether or not you agree with Bowyer’s comments is irrelevant - the place for that is in the dressing room or the training ground behind closed doors.billysboots said:As a manager or a supporter , no matter how the result goes, you should be able to rely on the players giving 100%.The oppo gave everything fought for every 50/50 and deservedly won.Agree 100% with Bowyers comments and appreciate his honesty.
The players let him and us down tonight.
If one of my senior managers criticised his or her staff in public, including claiming to not care about their welfare, their feet wouldn’t touch the ground as I escorted them from the building.
it is piss poor people management, pure and simple.Maybe , but Football isn’t quite like every other industry though is it ?I could be wrong but I haven’t seen a court case where a footballer has sued for constructive dismissal over a managers comments.Maybe he has tried doing it behind closed doors with Maddison and that hasn’t worked ?23
