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Charlton on search for fan to help club engage with supporters (Lucy Bishop appointed, pg 4)
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Fair enough, point taken, @redbuttle.redbuttle said:
I feel that they need to pick someone who can represent the younger fans along with the over 60s(I am in that age group by the way)Fanny Fanackapan said:
I HAD been feeling a bit more like the normal Fanny today , but now wondering what I've done to deserve your scorn, @redbuttle.....redbuttle said:TellyTubby said:@Fanny Fanackapan? Surely that's a lol
.....not that I have any inclination to be involved.
Thanks for the explanation.0 -
Fanny Fanackapan said:
Fair enough, point taken, @redbuttle.redbuttle said:
I feel that they need to pick someone who can represent the younger fans along with the over 60s(I am in that age group by the way)Fanny Fanackapan said:
I HAD been feeling a bit more like the normal Fanny today , but now wondering what I've done to deserve your scorn, @redbuttle.....redbuttle said:TellyTubby said:@Fanny Fanackapan? Surely that's a lol
.....not that I have any inclination to be involved.
Thanks for the explanation. It's ok. Sometimes you have to stand back and let someone else have a go.0 -
Good luck @Charlton_Road_James and anyone else going for it.Charlton_Road_James said:I’ve applied for the position, I’m 40 so maybe a good age to look out for the younger & older fans. I’m disabled so I think that puts me in a position to understand our disabled fan groups & elderly fans. I’ve been on a video call with TS through being on the CADSA committee so he’s heard of me. I’m also friends with Dodger & @Henry Irving (although he prob doesn’t realise!) on Twitter so I’m hoping I might be in with a chance
I think the club not publishing the job description might leave a few disappointed when the details do emerge.
People are talking about a "representative" of the fans but to me at least it seems more of a liaison and development role on behalf of the club but I might well be wrong.4 -
yes, i understand that but doesn't mean he isn't the right man for the job and i doubt there are many on the other forum that would disagree - different if some of the usual suspects on here got the role - anyway, lets not turn this into an opinion poll about somebody who could probably do without italiwibble said:
With the greatest of respect to AFKA, I don't think that's a good idea. We need someone who can overcome the tensions between various segments of our fanbase, and being so closely associated with Charlton Life means he's likely to be seen as biased by posters on The Forum That Shall Not Be Named for one. And the poor sod's got enough on his plate as it is.DOUCHER said:AFKA Bartram would be my suggestion - whether he would have the time or would want to do it is another matter1 -
Very kind of you to say mate and if I am successful they’ll definitely be a few freebies coming your way.3
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I’m voting for Golfie2
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Heads up @Dazzler21, I’ve spotted a way back in for you😉aliwibble said:
Sorry boss 😳AFKABartram said:
I’ll phone up and withdraw my application first thing in the morningaliwibble said:
With the greatest of respect to AFKA, I don't think that's a good idea. We need someone who can overcome the tensions between various segments of our fanbase, and being so closely associated with Charlton Life means he's likely to be seen as biased by posters on The Forum That Shall Not Be Named for one. And the poor sod's got enough on his plate as it is.DOUCHER said:AFKA Bartram would be my suggestion - whether he would have the time or would want to do it is another matter#Vote #Dazzler #CLAdmin3 -
That rules out Elfie then.Mendonca In Asdas said:
And pass the height test?shirty5 said:Whoever gets it will need to have a thick skin and a broad pair of shoulders1 -
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I'm 5'8SoundAsa£ said:
That rules out Elfie then.Mendonca In Asdas said:
And pass the height test?shirty5 said:Whoever gets it will need to have a thick skin and a broad pair of shoulders3 -
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So is your nose 🤥 😉.ElfsborgAddick said:
I'm 5'8SoundAsa£ said:
That rules out Elfie then.Mendonca In Asdas said:
And pass the height test?shirty5 said:Whoever gets it will need to have a thick skin and a broad pair of shoulders1 -
First on the life ban list.RedChaser said:
So is your nose 🤥 😉.ElfsborgAddick said:
I'm 5'8SoundAsa£ said:
That rules out Elfie then.Mendonca In Asdas said:
And pass the height test?shirty5 said:Whoever gets it will need to have a thick skin and a broad pair of shoulders3 -
@Viewfinder or @StigThundercock for me2
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If this is more than just a token appointment whether you’re an addick shouldn’t be a factor. It should be who can do it best.If it’s just a pr thing then of course get a fan who everyone likes.1
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Yeah let’s ask a Plymouth or Ipswich fan if they fancy it 🤷🏻♂️iainment said:If this is more than just a token appointment whether you’re an addick shouldn’t be a factor. It should be who can do it best.If it’s just a pr thing then of course get a fan who everyone likes.6 -
A Charlton Life goody bag? fingers crossedAFKABartram said:Very kind of you to say mate and if I am successful they’ll definitely be a few freebies coming your way.
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possibly the most ridiculous post i've read on here - and there have been a lotiainment said:If this is more than just a token appointment whether you’re an addick shouldn’t be a factor. It should be who can do it best.If it’s just a pr thing then of course get a fan who everyone likes.1 -
i've got a growing list of posters who's views should be instantly dismissed - it will be in the book1
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Ok, how is it ridiculous?DOUCHER said:
possibly the most ridiculous post i've read on here - and there have been a lotiainment said:If this is more than just a token appointment whether you’re an addick shouldn’t be a factor. It should be who can do it best.If it’s just a pr thing then of course get a fan who everyone likes.Using my experience in community development work and tenant engagement I have a bit of an informed basis for my opinion. What do you base your dismissal of my opinion on?2 -
I worked as a Football Liaison Officer for another club.stop_shouting said:
Yeah let’s ask a Plymouth or Ipswich fan if they fancy it 🤷🏻♂️iainment said:If this is more than just a token appointment whether you’re an addick shouldn’t be a factor. It should be who can do it best.If it’s just a pr thing then of course get a fan who everyone likes.
I loved it.
Made me realise I could never work that closely with the club I supported as I’m a fan and as such could never be impartial.
Good luck to whoever gets it.
Its a tough ask.8 -
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iainment said:
Ok, how is it ridiculous?DOUCHER said:
possibly the most ridiculous post i've read on here - and there have been a lotiainment said:If this is more than just a token appointment whether you’re an addick shouldn’t be a factor. It should be who can do it best.If it’s just a pr thing then of course get a fan who everyone likes.Using my experience in community development work and tenant engagement I have a bit of an informed basis for my opinion. What do you base your dismissal of my opinion on?
Not a bad shout. At first glance it does sound a bit illogical having a non- die hard fan in the role but by having a supporter in the role you lose unfettered objectivity as the individual will have a very subjective and innate version of what being a Charlton fans means and what Charlton fans want.
Someone with no emotional attachment may be more impartial and be able to better capture a wider fanbase view without it being tainted by their own subconscious agenda, feelings, bias etc.
Such as wide range of views amongst our fanbase that it is very difficult to represent all and human nature may lead to people siding with/ being bias towards what their own held views are.
A non- Charlton fan, and preferably a non football fan, would be able to come at the role entirely objectively and conduct and report research without prejudice.
It would also remove the unfortunate, yet guaranteed sniping that occurs when people put themselves up for these things as fans.
However, the above would very much depend on the job description and its remit.
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I do still think it’s important to be a football fan.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:iainment said:
Ok, how is it ridiculous?DOUCHER said:
possibly the most ridiculous post i've read on here - and there have been a lotiainment said:If this is more than just a token appointment whether you’re an addick shouldn’t be a factor. It should be who can do it best.If it’s just a pr thing then of course get a fan who everyone likes.Using my experience in community development work and tenant engagement I have a bit of an informed basis for my opinion. What do you base your dismissal of my opinion on?
Not a bad shout. At first glance it does sound a bit illogical having a non- die hard fan in the role but by having a supporter in the role you lose unfettered objectivity as the individual will have a very subjective and innate version of what being a Charlton fans means and what Charlton fans want.
Someone with no emotional attachment may be more impartial and be able to better capture a wider fanbase view without it being tainted by their own subconscious agenda, feelings, bias etc.
Such as wide range of views amongst our fanbase that it is very difficult to represent all and human nature may lead to people siding with/ being bias towards what their own held views are.
A non- Charlton fan, and preferably a non football fan, would be able to come at the role entirely objectively and conduct and report research without prejudice.
It would also remove the unfortunate, yet guaranteed sniping that occurs when people put themselves up for these things as fans.
However, the above would very much depend on the job description and its remit.
You still need to know the way supporters think and feel.
As much as we like to think we’re all very different, ultimately we’re not.4 -
Absolutely. A bit of empathy is essential in this type of job.KBslittlesis said:
I do still think it’s important to be a football fan.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:iainment said:
Ok, how is it ridiculous?DOUCHER said:
possibly the most ridiculous post i've read on here - and there have been a lotiainment said:If this is more than just a token appointment whether you’re an addick shouldn’t be a factor. It should be who can do it best.If it’s just a pr thing then of course get a fan who everyone likes.Using my experience in community development work and tenant engagement I have a bit of an informed basis for my opinion. What do you base your dismissal of my opinion on?
Not a bad shout. At first glance it does sound a bit illogical having a non- die hard fan in the role but by having a supporter in the role you lose unfettered objectivity as the individual will have a very subjective and innate version of what being a Charlton fans means and what Charlton fans want.
Someone with no emotional attachment may be more impartial and be able to better capture a wider fanbase view without it being tainted by their own subconscious agenda, feelings, bias etc.
Such as wide range of views amongst our fanbase that it is very difficult to represent all and human nature may lead to people siding with/ being bias towards what their own held views are.
A non- Charlton fan, and preferably a non football fan, would be able to come at the role entirely objectively and conduct and report research without prejudice.
It would also remove the unfortunate, yet guaranteed sniping that occurs when people put themselves up for these things as fans.
However, the above would very much depend on the job description and its remit.
You still need to know the way supporters think and feel.
As much as we like to think we’re all very different, ultimately we’re not.0 -
I think being an addick should be quite high on the job spec. I wouldn't give the job of a fisherman to an oceanologist just because he knows the seabed. You really need to know what is in the sea if you want the catch of the day.iainment said:
Ok, how is it ridiculous?DOUCHER said:
possibly the most ridiculous post i've read on here - and there have been a lotiainment said:If this is more than just a token appointment whether you’re an addick shouldn’t be a factor. It should be who can do it best.If it’s just a pr thing then of course get a fan who everyone likes.Using my experience in community development work and tenant engagement I have a bit of an informed basis for my opinion. What do you base your dismissal of my opinion on?0 -
KBslittlesis said:
I do still think it’s important to be a football fan.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:iainment said:
Ok, how is it ridiculous?DOUCHER said:
possibly the most ridiculous post i've read on here - and there have been a lotiainment said:If this is more than just a token appointment whether you’re an addick shouldn’t be a factor. It should be who can do it best.If it’s just a pr thing then of course get a fan who everyone likes.Using my experience in community development work and tenant engagement I have a bit of an informed basis for my opinion. What do you base your dismissal of my opinion on?
Not a bad shout. At first glance it does sound a bit illogical having a non- die hard fan in the role but by having a supporter in the role you lose unfettered objectivity as the individual will have a very subjective and innate version of what being a Charlton fans means and what Charlton fans want.
Someone with no emotional attachment may be more impartial and be able to better capture a wider fanbase view without it being tainted by their own subconscious agenda, feelings, bias etc.
Such as wide range of views amongst our fanbase that it is very difficult to represent all and human nature may lead to people siding with/ being bias towards what their own held views are.
A non- Charlton fan, and preferably a non football fan, would be able to come at the role entirely objectively and conduct and report research without prejudice.
It would also remove the unfortunate, yet guaranteed sniping that occurs when people put themselves up for these things as fans.
However, the above would very much depend on the job description and its remit.
You still need to know the way supporters think and feel.
As much as we like to think we’re all very different, ultimately we’re not.
I agree and ultimately think it is the way to go because as much as football is a business to a degree these days I don't like the corportisation of clubs...even if on paper it has potential benefits. I think it is good especially at clubs like ours to have real fan involvement despite potential associated drawbacks rather than becoming a Manchester United plc type operation where fans are just commodities to be exploited.
Was just pointing out that there is logic to Iain's post.3 -
I still have nightmares about opening your emails @kbslittlesis :- )KBslittlesis said:
I worked as a Football Liaison Officer for another club.stop_shouting said:
Yeah let’s ask a Plymouth or Ipswich fan if they fancy it 🤷🏻♂️iainment said:If this is more than just a token appointment whether you’re an addick shouldn’t be a factor. It should be who can do it best.If it’s just a pr thing then of course get a fan who everyone likes.
I loved it.
Made me realise I could never work that closely with the club I supported as I’m a fan and as such could never be impartial.
Good luck to whoever gets it.
Its a tough ask.3 -
common senseiainment said:
Ok, how is it ridiculous?DOUCHER said:
possibly the most ridiculous post i've read on here - and there have been a lotiainment said:If this is more than just a token appointment whether you’re an addick shouldn’t be a factor. It should be who can do it best.If it’s just a pr thing then of course get a fan who everyone likes.Using my experience in community development work and tenant engagement I have a bit of an informed basis for my opinion. What do you base your dismissal of my opinion on?3 -
That’s the ship many projects founder on.DOUCHER said:
common senseiainment said:
Ok, how is it ridiculous?DOUCHER said:
possibly the most ridiculous post i've read on here - and there have been a lotiainment said:If this is more than just a token appointment whether you’re an addick shouldn’t be a factor. It should be who can do it best.If it’s just a pr thing then of course get a fan who everyone likes.Using my experience in community development work and tenant engagement I have a bit of an informed basis for my opinion. What do you base your dismissal of my opinion on?0 -
Ideally the lucky person would have the right skill set and demonstrable experience from an equivalent role and be an Addick, but not necessarily a die-hard one.
Would someone with the right skills, but a confirmed Millwall or Palace fan get sufficient respect from the fan base to do the job and make a difference?
It is important that the job holder does make an impact, to justify the reason for the job in the first pace.1
