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European Super League - clubs withdrawing p42 onwards.

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  • I just hope that we try to see an end to these clubs controlling the rest of Football with either outcome.

    (1) They admit their mistake and come back yet have no priority say over how competitions are ran
    (2) They go ahead with this Super League, and are never allowed to return
    Neither of those 2 things will happen. 
  • colthe3rd said:
    And this is part of the dilemma in how to stop this thing happening. The EPL will hope they don't have to kick these teams out of the league because it hurts the income the receive from TV and sponsorship, if these teams aren't there as much as we don't like it the fact is the money is paid because of these teams and the players they have. UEFA won't want to ban the clubs or players from their competitions as it impacts their revenue from TV and sponsorship. FIFA won't want to ban players from the world cup because it impacts their revenue. Noticing a theme?

    What is then left? Governments? Last thing they'll want to do is get involved with lengthy, expensive legal wrangling with these clubs who will also argue that it isn't the place for governments to be getting involved. 

    This is the big issue now, it's all well and good these organisations and individuals giving statements and nice soundbites but who is actually going to step up and do something about it? I'm encouraged by the near universal condemnation from fans of all clubs but these owners have shown they do not care what the real fans think. Football is a mess and even if this does get stopped now are we just kicking the can down the road?
    What is left is Prince William’s Football Association, the guardians of the sport as a sport, the body that sorts officials and rules.
    They can disqualify the six teams with virtually no financial downside.
    The other organisations are less important than the FA in this matter.
  • There will be some big differences between some of the CEOs of the Big Six and their Managers - although, in the case of one or two, there was already a chasm the size of the Great Rift Valley - not least because most of these Coaches weren't even made aware of the announcement. Whether that can be repaired is another thing - could we see, for example, Klopp resign? 
  • seth plum said:
    What is left is Prince William’s Football Association, the guardians of the sport as a sport, the body that sorts officials and rules.
    They can disqualify the six teams with virtually no financial downside.
    The other organisations are less important than the FA in this matter.
    Can they? 
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Can they? 
    Yes, they broke there contract. 
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Can they? 
    Yes I believe they can. If there is a financial conduit from clubs to the Football Association it will be equal for each club according to their status, and not a huge fee either.
    Arsenal do no pay more money in to register than Burnley.
  • Amidst this turmoil in the major European leagues, particularly the English, is this an opportunity for Rangers and Celtic to finally join a league commensurate with their world wide support? How are the boards of these two clubs viewing the current developments?
  • I'm now beginning to get bored!

    12 clubs saying we're better than you and deserve more of the cake, and UEFA, FIFA, the FA, the EFL, the LMA, the PFA (all corrupt and not fit for purpose) gnashing their teeth in faux outrage.  
  • Amidst this turmoil in the major European leagues, particularly the English, is this an opportunity for Rangers and Celtic to finally join a league commensurate with their world wide support? How are the boards of these two clubs viewing the current developments?
    They can clamber up from the Combined Counties league or wherever and earn their status on the football field.
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  • Jürgen Klopp is talking crap. Of course the players are involved. They are more involved in this than absurd political statements like BLM.

    They could even collectively put in transfer requests on the basis that they want to play international football.

    It's easy for the Leeds players as they've got nothing to lose.

    If they all cared about anything but money it would be the Liverpool players wearing the shirts and the Leeds players giving them their support.

    Spineless, money grabbing tosspots, the lot of them.
  • cafcfan said:
    Didn't the owners pile the cost of buying the club on to the club as debt?  So it actually cost them, well, nothing?
    yes, this. It was truly bizarre and example of how its one rule for the mega rich and one for the rest of us. No one else would ever have access to something mental like a billion £ credit to purchase a multi million £ profit making business. 
  • seth plum said:
    Yes I believe they can. If there is a financial conduit from clubs to the Football Association it will be equal for each club according to their status, and not a huge fee either.
    Arsenal do no pay more money in to register than Burnley.
    Yeah but what about the FA Cup, for example?

    If the FA didn't want/need them in that they would have stopped playing in it by now. 
  • These clubs are massively in debt yet still sign players!

    This league will not save them it will make the debt bigger as the business model is broken and they have failed to act
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Yeah but what about the FA Cup, for example?

    If the FA didn't want/need them in that they would have stopped playing in it by now. 
    I believe one of the rules of association is agreeing to play in the FA Cup. The six clubs request that of the FA not the other way round.
    Nothing to do with either want or need.
  • Amidst this turmoil in the major European leagues, particularly the English, is this an opportunity for Rangers and Celtic to finally join a league commensurate with their world wide support? How are the boards of these two clubs viewing the current developments?
    If they have any sense they'll be saying to the EPL "throw out the big 6, only Man Utd and Liverpool are real draws and we're as big as they are worldwide, so just replace them with us"
  • IdleHans said:
    Jesus is a Charlton fan?

    It kind of figures...
    And is also a woman, who is married to Corden. Who knew?
  • The biggest single issue in football now is there's too much money involved in it, the stakes are too high and everyone is in financial ruin trying to gamble on making it to the top table with the big boys who themselves are in financial ruin by trying to play keep up or catch up with one another. This, to me, is the perfect time to be bold, cut off the top teams and leave them free to fuck themselves over and not take the rest of football with it, and alongside that bring major reform to the game at a global level, whether that's spending limits, salary caps, standardised wages, a more even distribution of prize money or a combination of different things, so be it. 

    And if ManUre, Arseholes, Man Shitty, Liverpoo, Chelski and the Spuds are the casualties for it, it's a small price to pay, but I'd rather see them go to the wall than teams like us, Accrington, Hartlepool, Blackpool, Wigan etc 
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  • se9addick said:
    I understand how Spurs have wracked up that debt and, in their wonderful new stadium, they have an asset to show for it which will help to pay it down. But how the feck have United gotten themselves into such a huge black hole? Their stadium (according to GNev) hasn’t had decent investment in some time and their has been precious little success on the pitch. Given how high their revenues must be to be in that sort of debt is crazy. 
    "The debt taken on by the Glazers to finance the takeover was split between the club and the family; between £265 million and £275 million was secured against Manchester United's assets, putting the club into debt for the first time since James Gibson saved them in 1931.

    This loan was provided by three New York hedge funds. 
    The total amount was £660 million, on which interest payments came to £62 million a year."
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    It feels like this is what the Glazers and others wanted to do the moment they signed up to English football
    They held off because the time was never the right  to broach it
    But they are desperate to get it over the line and have gone for it because they really can't wait any longer.
    Shit or bust. It looks like bust with any luck.

    Quite where that leaves the big six when these no mark financial mercenaries f*** off because they couldn't get their own way, who knows?
  • cafc999 said:
    They are and you are correct - Joe Lewis is the owner and Levy is the face and makes most of the decisions 


    Joe Lewis is an 84 year old who was born in Bow, London. I'm not aware that he had changed his nationality even if he lives some where warmer.

  • Can't find the tweet, but read that the ESL president has said that the younger generation can't focus on 90 minute matches, so maybe games need to be shortened...

    Incoming quarters with ad breaks, just like the NFL.


  • Joe Lewis is an 84 year old who was born in Bow, London. I'm not aware that he had changed his nationality even if he lives some where warmer.

    see my later post
  • seth plum said:
    I believe one of the rules of association is agreeing to play in the FA Cup. The six clubs request that of the FA not the other way round.
    Nothing to do with either want or need.
    Well it is.  The clubs have ask multiple times to not be in it, for different reasons.  The the FA didn't want or need them in it they would have said OK.

    Even if that wasn't true, and we will agree to differ, the FA aren't going to pull the cards down on the whole thing.  That's not protecting anything.

    If the 6 could leave with no implications they would be long gone already.  They would have been kicked out after big picture, or the time before that, or the time before that.

    They hold most of the aces, they know that and so does everyone else.  They wouldn't be doing this if they didn't. 
  • Won't happen. I'll keep saying it until the concept is dead. It's a massive smokescreen for them to try and get more money. I'd love it if they got told to fuck off, but sadly the whole gravy train needs them to continue kicking the can further down the road every few years. There will be a load more whinging, then UEFA and the turd 12 will announce they have 'come to an agreement' that sees them get an even bigger share of the money through broadcast rights. 
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    I don't think it will officially effect the euros, although some FAs may choose not to select players.  Being honest it won't make much difference if they did.  After the last 18 months some international football with crowds, pubs open etc will be a massive thing across Europe.

    But the next world cup?  Its going to be a hard enough sell in the traditional markets as it is.  If they totally blackball all the players, what's to stop them running a parallel tournament with the star players?

    What about sponsors?  It's normally the same five or six big names, Heineken, Coke, Mcdonalds, Mastercard etc what if they sponsor the ESL or any of the clubs? 
    I can see an issue with sponsors being more of a concern than players tbh.

    But, I honestly believe that, if the breakaway happens, there cannot be anything other than a complete boycott by football organisations and all footballing structures of the breakaway.

    Anyway, I think if it came to it, the majority of TV viewers will watch the World Cup, come what may, there may be more schoolchildren in the grounds, but that is not a bad thing.

    There's nothing to stop the wEaSeL teams putting together their own competing tournament (but, think about it, it will be the same old same old as their wEaSeL league, it'd be a series of meaningless games without any tradition, history or class), I'd still be happier watching the World Cup.
  • UEFA might like to consider telling the 12 clubs that the first few to give up on this idea can come back with no repercussions and no questions asked, but those who don't try to come back until it actually collapses will have to apply to start again from the bottom of the pile. Give them something to think about.
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